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[Lividity Jones]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
You have to consider the audience, you're talking to xenophiles here

Mass Effect

Now you're playing with xenophilia!

Best tagline ever?

[Phil725]

Gre3nham wrote...
*snip*

Bioware planned to put a Talimance in Mass1, but the thought than nobody would "Like a girl with chicken feet" so they scrapped it... how wrong they were...

I actually believe that's one of the bigger loads of crap that Bioware has put out there personally.  For one, its way too small of a reason to expect a large group of people to dislike her, and even thinking that she would be a less popular LI didn't stop them from adding ones they thought would be less popular in ME2.

There are several real reasons they wouldn't have added her though.  Her purpose in ME1 was more codex related, introduce you to the geth and quarians.  She couldn't do that, develop an interest in Shep, and find a way around the quarian immune system in three conversations.  On top of that, they didn't have room for another LI.  Liara fit the maleShep alien LI slot perfectly, and the only possible way to balance out the LIs would have been make Liara femShep only (since there are no other options for femShep really.)

[Gre3nham]

Phil725 wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...

Taog_Drapehs wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...

Just_mike wrote...
Chakwas is like romancing Wynne in Dragon Age. Both of them could be your grandmother.

What, and romancing an alien is less disgusting than romancing an old women?

Different strokes for different folks. Let's not argue.

P.S: I'd do Chakwas.

Not saying I hate Tali, quite the opposite. Just pointing out a hole in the logic... probably a bit to bluntly. 

How is "aliens are gross" logic?  Even more so on this thread? 

You have to consider the audience, you're talking to xenophiles here

The thing that people find weird about screwing old people, or being gay (not a homophobe, just making a point) is that they differ from the norm. I assume alien sex differs from what is considered normal, thats why its weird. I mean, if some people get creeped out by gay relationships, you can only imagine how they would see an alien one.

Not that im against a bit of xenophillia once in a while, although i would prefer to keep it in video games...

[Phil725]

Taog_Drapehs wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

A writer's dream, Tali is.

Indeed

[NCLanceman]

RobotNixon wrote...

There was about a five minute window between the toast and her passing out.

You decide.

Oh, I've decided a long time ago. More like fifteen minutes though. Right there in that absurdly well lit Med-bay, in front of a window and everything.

That neither being here nor there, i've got to get to sleep. I'll see... maybe some of you in the morning. Goodnight!

[Gre3nham]

Phil725 wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...
*snip*

Bioware planned to put a Talimance in Mass1, but the thought than nobody would "Like a girl with chicken feet" so they scrapped it... how wrong they were...

I actually believe that's one of the bigger loads of crap that Bioware has put out there personally.  For one, its way too small of a reason to expect a large group of people to dislike her, and even thinking that she would be a less popular LI didn't stop them from adding ones they thought would be less popular in ME2.

There are several real reasons they wouldn't have added her though.  Her purpose in ME1 was more codex related, introduce you to the geth and quarians.  She couldn't do that, develop an interest in Shep, and find a way around the quarian immune system in three conversations.  On top of that, they didn't have room for another LI.  Liara fit the maleShep alien LI slot perfectly, and the only possible way to balance out the LIs would have been make Liara femShep only (since there are no other options for femShep really.)

They might have run out of time... and to solve the imbalance problem they could have made Tali bi... (plz dont shoot me!)

[Lividity Jones]

Phil725 wrote...

Her purpose in ME1 was more codex related, introduce you to the geth and quarians.

While this is true, I loathe the fact that it's such a shared belief.

Her conversations came off much more personal than the other squadmates'.

She talks about how she feels, her parents, her aspirations, what's expected of her and how that impacts her...

She really does put herself out there.

At least, that's what I get out of it.

Modifié par Lividity Jones, 22 juillet 2010 - 07:58 .

[Phil725]

NCLanceman wrote...
*snip*

I do love this picture.  I can just hear Tali's sexy voice

[Taog_Drapehs]

FatherNestor wrote...

Reposting for the last time because of the need for opinions to even have possibility of continuing this.

Looks interesting. Love the twist on the names and the backgrounds, Rael and Talia's last name's are different, tho.

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On an aside, the "chicken feet" comment was made AFTER Bioware saw the fandom.

This I am 65% sure of.

[Phil725]

Gre3nham wrote...
*snip*
They might have run out of time... and to solve the imbalance problem they could have made Tali bi... (plz dont shoot me!)

Possible, but Liara was a much more obvious choice for that role, considering the game's constant flaunting of asari sexuality in your face.

[Someone With Mass]

Phil725 wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...
*snip*

Bioware planned to put a Talimance in Mass1, but the thought than nobody would "Like a girl with chicken feet" so they scrapped it... how wrong they were...

I actually believe that's one of the bigger loads of crap that Bioware has put out there personally.  For one, its way too small of a reason to expect a large group of people to dislike her, and even thinking that she would be a less popular LI didn't stop them from adding ones they thought would be less popular in ME2.

There are several real reasons they wouldn't have added her though.  Her purpose in ME1 was more codex related, introduce you to the geth and quarians.  She couldn't do that, develop an interest in Shep, and find a way around the quarian immune system in three conversations.  On top of that, they didn't have room for another LI.  Liara fit the maleShep alien LI slot perfectly, and the only possible way to balance out the LIs would have been make Liara femShep only (since there are no other options for femShep really.)

Tali on full Codex-mode in ME1, is where it's at.
And I agree with letting her character develope throughout the time between ME1 and 2, and then become a romance.
Would just feel rushed and awkward otherwise. Like saying "Hi" to Liara. 

[RobotNixon]

NCLanceman wrote...

RobotNixon wrote...

There was about a five minute window between the toast and her passing out.

You decide.

Oh, I've decided a long time ago. More like fifteen minutes though. Right there in that absurdly well lit Med-bay, in front of a window and everything.

That neither being here nor there, i've got to get to sleep. I'll see... maybe some of you in the morning. Goodnight!

So Armistice.mp3 IS CANON!

[Taog_Drapehs]

Gre3nham wrote...
The thing that people find weird about screwing old people, or being gay (not a homophobe, just making a point) is that they differ from the norm. I assume alien sex differs from what is considered normal, thats why its weird. I mean, if some people get creeped out by gay relationships, you can only imagine how they would see an alien one.

Not that im against a bit of xenophillia once in a while, although i would prefer to keep it in video games...

Even though you're generally correct, it really doesn't make sense when the alien happens looks like this.

[FatherNestor]

Taog_Drapehs wrote...

FatherNestor wrote...

Reposting for the last time because of the need for opinions to even have possibility of continuing this.

Looks interesting. Love the twist on the names and the backgrounds, Rael and Talia's last name's are different, tho.

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On an aside, the "chicken feet" comment was made AFTER Bioware saw the fandom.

This I am 65% sure of.

It's just stupid typo.

[Gre3nham]

Phil725 wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...
*snip*
They might have run out of time... and to solve the imbalance problem they could have made Tali bi... (plz dont shoot me!)

Possible, but Liara was a much more obvious choice for that role, considering the game's constant flaunting of asari sexuality in your face.

Yeah, the whole "Asari: Magic Bisexual Space Prostitutes" thing is getting to me a bit

[Someone With Mass]

Taog_Drapehs wrote...

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On an aside, the "chicken feet" comment was made AFTER Bioware saw the fandom.

This I am 65% sure of.

I think Casey Hudson said it in a podcast. They thought Tali was a wildcard.

Oh, she's wild, alright.

[Phil725]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Her purpose in ME1 was more codex related, introduce you to the geth and quarians.

While this is true, I loathe the fact that it's such a shared belief.

Her conversations came off much more personal than the other squadmate's.

She talks about how she feels, her parents, her aspirations, what's expected of her and how that impacts her...

She really does put herself out there.

At least, that's what I get out of it.

I agree, though a lot of that stuff can fall under normal character development that Bioware tried to get into all of the characters, and since its not unique to Tali, I didn't mention it.  All characters received some development, but only Tali had to explain the main enemy race, and another completely mysterious race on top of that.

Although I'm obviously biased, I saw a ton of interesting things in her dialogue, some that you mention, other stuff as well about how she becomes increasingly comfortable on the ship, being away from the flotilla and being around Shep in general.

[Gre3nham]

Taog_Drapehs wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...
The thing that people find weird about screwing old people, or being gay (not a homophobe, just making a point) is that they differ from the norm. I assume alien sex differs from what is considered normal, thats why its weird. I mean, if some people get creeped out by gay relationships, you can only imagine how they would see an alien one.

Not that im against a bit of xenophillia once in a while, although i would prefer to keep it in video games...

Even though you're generally correct, it really doesn't make sense when the alien happens looks like this.

Yeah, shes definatly not as alien as she could be, which is why i dont have a problem with it. However, Dr chakwas dosent look that bad either...

[Someone With Mass]

Gre3nham wrote...

Yeah, the whole "Asari: Magic Bisexual Space Prostitutes" thing is getting to me a bit

Don't forget that asari can do almost anything and get away with it.

Just take a look at Illium. Slaves, smuggling of red sand, extortions and random killing.

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...

Yeah, the whole "Asari: Magic Bisexual Space Prostitutes" thing is getting to me a bit

Don't forget that asari can do almost anything and get away with it.

Just take a look at Illium. Slaves, smuggling of red sand, extortions and random killing.

While I don't think Illium is specific to asari, I do dislike the large mary sue in space vibe the asari give off.  On top of that, they aren't even going to be that helpful against the reapers

[Lividity Jones]

Phil725 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Her purpose in ME1 was more codex related, introduce you to the geth and quarians.

While this is true, I loathe the fact that it's such a shared belief.

Her conversations came off much more personal than the other squadmate's.

She talks about how she feels, her parents, her aspirations, what's expected of her and how that impacts her...

She really does put herself out there.

At least, that's what I get out of it.

I agree, though a lot of that stuff can fall under normal character development that Bioware tried to get into all of the characters, and since its not unique to Tali, I didn't mention it.  All characters received some development, but only Tali had to explain the main enemy race, and another completely mysterious race on top of that.

Although I'm obviously biased, I saw a ton of interesting things in her dialogue, some that you mention, other stuff as well about how she becomes increasingly comfortable on the ship, being away from the flotilla and being around Shep in general.

True. It could fall under the umbrella of simple character development, but I think her's was much more well-executed than, say, Liara or Kaidan.

Modifié par Lividity Jones, 22 juillet 2010 - 08:07 .

[Taog_Drapehs]

Someone With Mass wrote...
I think Casey Hudson said it in a podcast. They thought Tali was a wildcard.

Oh, she's wild, alright.../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png

Agreed.

Gre3nham wrote...
Yeah, shes definatly not as alien as she could be, which is why i dont have a problem with it. However, Dr
chakwas dosent look that bad either...

Agreed.

Phil725 wrote...
I agree, though a lot of that stuff can fall under normal character development that Bioware tried to get into all of the characters, and since its not unique to Tali, I didn't mention it.  All characters received some development, but only Tali had to explain the main enemy race, and another completely mysterious race on top of that.

Although I'm obviously biased, I saw a ton of interesting things in her dialogue, some that you mention, other stuff as well about how she becomes increasingly comfortable on the ship, being away from the flotilla and being around Shep in general.

I admit I was a little surprised with the "multiple births" conversation, Tali wasn't afraid to talk about everything quarian related. People can and will take dialogue down 6 different roads and end up with different conclusions, all I can say is nothing's out of the norm for Bioware as far as progression, they freakin killed Shepard and brought him back to life lol saying "this can't happen" is hilarious.

g2g watch 2012 now...

Modifié par Taog_Drapehs, 22 juillet 2010 - 08:07 .

[Lividity Jones]

Taog_Drapehs wrote...

g2g watch 2012 now...

-datposturesnip-

Don't! It's a trap!

[Taog_Drapehs]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Taog_Drapehs wrote...

g2g watch 2012 now...

-datposturesnip-

Don't! It's a trap!

Go on...

[Someone With Mass]

Lividity Jones wrote...

True. It could fall under the umbrella of simple character development, but I think her's was much more well-executed than,say, Liara or Kaidan.

I also think it has something to do with that she's the only quarian in the first game, and that made some people interested in her. Because she was of this race that they've never seen or heard of before. And that she's very pretty in that suit.