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[NuclearBuddha]

Have at.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 24 juillet 2010 - 06:01 .

[Leftnt Sharpe]

Thundertactics wrote...

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

To be honest I don't think Han and the Board have the balls to go for a full frontal assault on the Geth homeworld. I've basically realised that the Quarians could have just sailed into the Terminus, find a world they liked, put the fleet in orbit and ask anyone who lives there to leave. If they don't leave they kill them. Easy as that the Quarians have a new world.

I think that would be enough reason for the Council to brand them as villains and begin an assault against them.
And have the species' of which the world was taken [break the faceplate of/rape] any quarian they can find.

Thats why I said fly into the Terminus, its outside the councils juristiction, hell the Quarians would be doing them a favour. Admittadly it would make them look like villains, but its better than living on a fleet of ships.

[AventuroLegendary]

DreadvasNormandy wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

DreadvasNormandy wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

TTTX wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm just curious, is taking back the homeworld pretty much the consensus for the regulars of this thread?

I think so.

most think it should happen through peace (which is the best option if you ask me)

Peace is best achieved through peace. Violence will only destroy.

It's hard to define how peace is attained. Saving lives through bloodshed perpetuates the need for violence yet it is necessary lest we be victims to violence. Likewise our diplomatic stance on preventing violence only goes so far to take philosophical disputes and overall conflicts are inevitable. It's up to our decisions if we would prefer to act by our actions or our words and how we best deal with those who themselves decide the best course of action.

If the Geth were to lay down their arms before the Quarians would we see some taking shots? Of course. Same for if Quarians did it because, as we have seen from Legion, such a difficult decision is so split down the middle they alone cannot decide. It takes an outward party, such as Humans, Asari, Turians, to truly make the peace between warring species happen. Same thing goes for Humans and Turians: Asari and Salarians stepped in and now we're best buddies.

Diversity breeds both intrigue as much as conflict. We can never be too far from violence within peace but it doesn't mean it should fuel our actions simply because someone decides it's better to be wrong and fight than be right and concede. Overall who are we but individuals? Species don't make us who we are we do. Such as we should understand everyone has equal footing to be as good as us if not better and within a collection of varying options does the Galaxy evolve.

Fear and Hatred are two reasons why peace is hard to obtain. Distrust is quite common among species mostly because members are afraid of their species to become "Changed". The quarians and geth are both civilized species, Even though they had a long quarrel.

Are these feelings what shapes your opinion or do you feel differently? I think it's not about how we percieve others it's how we feel others percieve ourselves which is wrong. What would be better is to truly see how we percieve ourselves. We make up a manifestation of our views on other species without an interactivity. The first Geth to speak to us without a sub-routine of wanting to turn our bodies into cheesegraters and guess what? Far more logically civilised than most of the ship's crew up until this point. Remind you of anyone?

Yep I mean Tali. Isn't she the first Quarian you see? Sure we don't have a multitude of them in ME1 to vary our opinion from the template Tali gave of her species yet think about if we met Legion on Eden Prime. Imagine how different the story would of been with such a feasiable change. Would Tali have reached out then? A dashing commander who recruits those worthy to go where others don't or simply a mercenary who finds the ends to any meaning?

We fear what is true. We hate what is obvious and like ourselves to be shrouded by ignorance and comfort because it keeps us away from having to make the changes and instead let the changes happen. Shepard represents the best of humanity because he's there to make those changes. We should always remember, especially with Rachni, we cannot be swayed by what we know until we know our own knowing. And by knowing we become the truth: fearless and loved.

That... was just epic.
So long as there are people, There will be wars. Peace is hard when Liars, hypocrites and hateful monsters are in power.

[Goat_Shepard]

Commander Maklai wrote...

The game i'm doing now was my first import game, and i just heard that conversation bout' half an hour ago. classic!

Hmmm...don't get the "I have a shotgun" bit if you don't import?

[Goat_Shepard]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Have at.

Poor Jacob. Nobody likes him.

I'm never honest in these polls anymore.

[Someone With Mass]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

mrsph wrote...

So I managed to complete the Suicide Mission with only Garrus and Tali surviving and it turns out only Tali will show up with Joker in the end.

snp
 

And here it is in action (minus Garrus *sadface*)

Epic custom!Shep as well.

Have to admit, that was one of the best custom Sheps I've ever seen.

Still a sad ending. Now Tali has no one to boss around and she has to do everything down in Engineering by herself.

[NuclearBuddha]

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...
Thats why I said fly into the Terminus, its outside the councils juristiction, hell the Quarians would be doing them a favour. Admittadly it would make them look like villains, but its better than living on a fleet of ships.

Terminus is pretty chaotic, but there's some kind of nominal alliance in there, since they get all irate about any moves the Council makes.  It would be open season on quarians.

As bad as the Council treats quarians, at least they have laws, unlike Terminus.

[Thundertactics]

mikethor007 wrote...

I don't know ThunderTactics. The way BW set Daro up with that email, it looks like she'll be playing the part of the classical villain.

As for ways of convincing her without the need for bloodshed, there's the ULB for mollyfying her, the LLR for putting true fear of Shepard into her.

The ULB could even lead to a ragequit on her part, like Saren. Contrived, I know. It's already been used.

Or the whole thing could be a HUGE labyrinth of grey choices, with only a certain, VERY NARROW path getting her to stand down.

The ones I see BW tending to use are the ULB/LLR or violence though.

This would still be acceptable, heck I might even like this option.
As long as they don't turn Daro into a comic book-style supervillain, I'm fine.

[Someone With Mass]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Have at.

Ooh, it's between Tali and Ashley this time. That's a nice change.

[TTTX]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

To be honest I don't think Han and the Board have the balls to go for a full frontal assault on the Geth homeworld. I've basically realised that the Quarians could have just sailed into the Terminus, find a world they liked, put the fleet in orbit and ask anyone who lives there to leave. If they don't leave they kill them. Easy as that the Quarians have a new world.

I don't think the rest of the community would take it so lightly.

And then it comes to finding the right planet to colonize. I don't think they can just pick a habitable planet at random and roll with it.

they once found one but was forced of by the Council.

[Someone With Mass]

Thundertactics wrote...

This would still be acceptable, heck I might even like this option.
As long as they don't turn Daro into a comic book-style supervillain, I'm fine.

UNLIMITED POOOWEEERR!

I'll laugh my ass off if she has a oneliner like that.

[Goat_Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Have to admit, that was one of the best custom Sheps I've ever seen.

Still a sad ending. Now Tali has no one to boss around and she has to do everything down in Engineering by herself.

Almost makes me want to have that playthrough, but if 2 people have done it, it's already too mainstream for me.

[Someone With Mass]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Almost makes me want to have that playthrough, but if 2 people have done it, it's already too mainstream for me.

If you can make it so it's Legion and Tali, then?

[Leftnt Sharpe]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...
Thats why I said fly into the Terminus, its outside the councils juristiction, hell the Quarians would be doing them a favour. Admittadly it would make them look like villains, but its better than living on a fleet of ships.

Terminus is pretty chaotic, but there's some kind of nominal alliance in there, since they get all irate about any moves the Council makes.  It would be open season on quarians.

As bad as the Council treats quarians, at least they have laws, unlike Terminus.

I guess you're right, it wouldn't allow Quarians to travel outside of their new system much. Oh well, I was just starting to like the idea as well.

[RiptideX1090]

Thundertactics wrote...

mikethor007 wrote...

I don't know ThunderTactics. The way BW set Daro up with that email, it looks like she'll be playing the part of the classical villain.

As for ways of convincing her without the need for bloodshed, there's the ULB for mollyfying her, the LLR for putting true fear of Shepard into her.

The ULB could even lead to a ragequit on her part, like Saren. Contrived, I know. It's already been used.

Or the whole thing could be a HUGE labyrinth of grey choices, with only a certain, VERY NARROW path getting her to stand down.

The ones I see BW tending to use are the ULB/LLR or violence though.

This would still be acceptable, heck I might even like this option.
As long as they don't turn Daro into a comic book-style supervillain, I'm fine.

I've always liked the idea of Xen having biotics. Probably because Morrigan was a magician... she just seems like the type who'd be willing to undergo risky surgery for more power. She'd be like a quarian sentinel. Make for a good boss fight.

[Goat_Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Almost makes me want to have that playthrough, but if 2 people have done it, it's already too mainstream for me.

If you can make it so it's Legion and Tali, then?

If I had the cajones to kill Garrus, why would I keep Legion active?

I'll attempt to have one with just Tali, Garrus, Legion, Jack, and Mordin, but I already predict I'll only have the gonads to kill off Miranda and Jacob, and even then I'll probably feel bad.

Maybe that's what I'm afraid of, actually feeling something for Miranda and Jacob hahaha!

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 24 juillet 2010 - 06:15 .

[kingcharles1337]

DreadvasNormandy wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

DreadvasNormandy wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

TTTX wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm just curious, is taking back the homeworld pretty much the consensus for the regulars of this thread?

I think so.

most think it should happen through peace (which is the best option if you ask me)

Peace is best achieved through peace. Violence will only destroy.

It's hard to define how peace is attained. Saving lives through bloodshed perpetuates the need for violence yet it is necessary lest we be victims to violence. Likewise our diplomatic stance on preventing violence only goes so far to take philosophical disputes and overall conflicts are inevitable. It's up to our decisions if we would prefer to act by our actions or our words and how we best deal with those who themselves decide the best course of action.

If the Geth were to lay down their arms before the Quarians would we see some taking shots? Of course. Same for if Quarians did it because, as we have seen from Legion, such a difficult decision is so split down the middle they alone cannot decide. It takes an outward party, such as Humans, Asari, Turians, to truly make the peace between warring species happen. Same thing goes for Humans and Turians: Asari and Salarians stepped in and now we're best buddies.

Diversity breeds both intrigue as much as conflict. We can never be too far from violence within peace but it doesn't mean it should fuel our actions simply because someone decides it's better to be wrong and fight than be right and concede. Overall who are we but individuals? Species don't make us who we are we do. Such as we should understand everyone has equal footing to be as good as us if not better and within a collection of varying options does the Galaxy evolve.

Fear and Hatred are two reasons why peace is hard to obtain. Distrust is quite common among species mostly because members are afraid of their species to become "Changed". The quarians and geth are both civilized species, Even though they had a long quarrel.

Are these feelings what shapes your opinion or do you feel differently? I think it's not about how we percieve others it's how we feel others percieve ourselves which is wrong. What would be better is to truly see how we percieve ourselves. We make up a manifestation of our views on other species without an interactivity. The first Geth to speak to us without a sub-routine of wanting to turn our bodies into cheesegraters and guess what? Far more logically civilised than most of the ship's crew up until this point. Remind you of anyone?

Yep I mean Tali. Isn't she the first Quarian you see? Sure we don't have a multitude of them in ME1 to vary our opinion from the template Tali gave of her species yet think about if we met Legion on Eden Prime. Imagine how different the story would of been with such a feasiable change. Would Tali have reached out then? A dashing commander who recruits those worthy to go where others don't or simply a mercenary who finds the ends to any meaning?

We fear what is true. We hate what is obvious and like ourselves to be shrouded by ignorance and comfort because it keeps us away from having to make the changes and instead let the changes happen. Shepard represents the best of humanity because he's there to make those changes. We should always remember, especially with Rachni, we cannot be swayed by what we know until we know our own knowing. And by knowing we become the truth: fearless and loved.

This is wonderfully insightful and so well written it makes me want to cry.

[ElectricZ]

Peaceful reconciliation is a no-brainer if the quarians can get their act together. The geth have abandoned Rannoch except for caretakers who are maintaining the planet, according to Legion, the same way humans care for graveyards. The rest of them are working on their geth dyson-sphere/super construction and have no interest in occupying any planet, anywhere. Also, if Legion is to be believed, the geth don't harbor any ill will towards the quarians for the Morning War.

So back to the quarians... If they try to take Rannoch back by force, they will get wiped out. If they try to hack the geth, ala Xen's plan, they have a shot, but that will immediately put them at odds with the rest of Citadel Space. Xen seems to forget that the entire galaxy turned their backs on the quarians for bringing the geth into being in the first place. If she succeeds in taking control of them again, she will essentially be making the same mistake, though this time it won't be an accident. Quarians will be reviled even more than they are now, unfair as their current status is. This route cannot lead to peace - instead of fighting the geth, they will face all other species and that's a fight they cannot win. This is what scares me the most about Xen -- from her emails she wants to go down this exact path.

A long term peace will take someone convincing the quarian leadership (Paging Commander Shepard, Tali'Zorah vas Normandy and Legion to the white courtesy phone) to negotiate with the geth for a peaceful return to their homeworld. And even then there's no guarantee because 300 years of being cast adrift on top of billions killed has certainly got to lead to the desire for some payback.

TTTX mentioned a Star Trek movie along these lines... ST VI: The Undiscovered Country? There was a quote from the Klingon Emperor to Kirk about the effect of ending such long-lasting hostilities that applies to the quarians and geth:

"If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it."

Modifié par ElectricZ, 24 juillet 2010 - 06:28 .

[mikethor007]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I've always liked the idea of Xen having biotics. Probably because Morrigan was a magician... she just seems like the type who'd be willing to undergo risky surgery for more power. She'd be like a quarian sentinel. Make for a good boss fight.

IT'd be a shame having to kill the only Quarian biotic that's ever shown in-game.

[RiptideX1090]

Someone With Mass wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Have at.

Ooh, it's between Tali and Ashley this time. That's a nice change.

I almost piced Aria.

ALMOST.

[RiptideX1090]

mikethor007 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I've always liked the idea of Xen having biotics. Probably because Morrigan was a magician... she just seems like the type who'd be willing to undergo risky surgery for more power. She'd be like a quarian sentinel. Make for a good boss fight.

IT'd be a shame having to kill the only Quarian biotic that's ever shown in-game.

Still.

Space Morrigan for the epic win.

[Pacifien]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
If I had the cajones to kill Garrus, why would I keep Legion active?

I'll attempt to have one with just Tali, Garrus, Legion, Jack, and Mordin, but I already predict I'll only have the gonads to kill off Miranda and Jacob, and even then I'll probably feel bad.

Maybe that's what I'm afraid of, actually feeling something for Miranda and Jacob hahaha!

So weak. I made sure I killed everyone there was to kill in every combination possible. 200 times.

[Leftnt Sharpe]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

mikethor007 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I've always liked the idea of Xen having biotics. Probably because Morrigan was a magician... she just seems like the type who'd be willing to undergo risky surgery for more power. She'd be like a quarian sentinel. Make for a good boss fight.

IT'd be a shame having to kill the only Quarian biotic that's ever shown in-game.

Still.

Space Morrigan for the epic win.

Tis cold in my suit all alone......

[Someone With Mass]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I've always liked the idea of Xen having biotics. Probably because Morrigan was a magician... she just seems like the type who'd be willing to undergo risky surgery for more power. She'd be like a quarian sentinel. Make for a good boss fight.

And then she'll have two modified combat drones orbiting around her while they are shooting bolts of lightning at you.

[mikethor007]

Pacifien wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...
If I had the cajones to kill Garrus, why would I keep Legion active?

I'll attempt to have one with just Tali, Garrus, Legion, Jack, and Mordin, but I already predict I'll only have the gonads to kill off Miranda and Jacob, and even then I'll probably feel bad.

Maybe that's what I'm afraid of, actually feeling something for Miranda and Jacob hahaha!

So weak. I made sure I killed everyone there was to kill in every combination possible. 200 times.

You're one hell of a ...Renegade...err...moon?