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[Xandurpein]

Srau wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
It's simply not enough evidence either way yet, unless you by evidence mean that you "know" that Anora is evil incarnate and base your assumptions on that...

Mkay.

- Makes nothing after her husband is dead and let daddy mess things up.
- Tries to side with a notorious snake against her father.
- Sells you to Ser Cauthrien when you save her.
- Sides against you at the Landsmeet if you don't support her for Queen.
- Executes Allister if you name her Queen and don't ask mercy for him.
- Refuse to swear loyalty to Alister if he is choosen as King.
- Fights with you over power (ending).
- Doesn't want to have a child/heir.

And maybe more, i didn't focus on her and most likely forgot some

I am not a big fan of oversimplifications but everything depicts at her being selfish, childish, and hungry for power, hiding behind political maneuvers and plots.
In my book the least offensive word to depict such a person would be : foul.

This could easily derail the whole thread so I won't bother to argue this in detail. I think you are wrong and haven't even got all your facts right, but you are entitled to your opinions after all. Let me just say that I sincerly hope that your claim that people who aren't interested in having kids are 'foul' was just a slip of the tounge.

[Nukenin]

Don't worry, soon we'll have folks whining about a DLC with too much romance.

[7th_Phoenix]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

 WTF?! Just started playing Awakening with my much treasured female human noble who married Alistair (whom I might add he announced as his Queen at his coronation, but is referred to as the Princess-consort in the epilogue (which earns another wtf))

"A prince-consort/princess-consort is a common term for the husband/wife of a king/queen regnant unless he/she himself also is a king/queen his/her own right." Be grateful you even have a title. 

Modifié par 7th_Phoenix, 06 avril 2010 - 04:28 .

[Srau]

Xandurpein wrote...
Let me just say that I sincerly hope that your claim that people who aren't interested in having kids are 'foul' was just a slip of the tounge.

Of course not, i myself don't want child but i am not Queen of Ferelden and thus can afford such thought.

[Xandurpein]

Srau wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
Let me just say that I sincerly hope that your claim that people who aren't interested in having kids are 'foul' was just a slip of the tounge.

Of course not, i myself don't want child but i am not Queen of Ferelden and thus can afford such thought.

Here I thought a Queen of Fereldan not wanting children would possibly rate as something between 'eccentric' and 'disrespectful of tradition', rather than 'foul' or 'evil'. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that too.

[Chasedanger]

I was just pissed when it said my character reuinited with her "True Love Alistair". I mean yeah had he not killed the Archdemon and well died and whatnot. I didn't become aware my Dalish Elf Lyshanna had become like Norman Bates keeping his corpse locked away somewhere so they could be together. WTF BioWare?? You mean this damn expansion was so rushed that it couldn't even read whether or not ol' Alistair bit it? Or Wynne for that matter?

[sylvanaerie]

Chasedanger wrote...

I was just pissed when it said my character reuinited with her "True Love Alistair". I mean yeah had he not killed the Archdemon and well died and whatnot. I didn't become aware my Dalish Elf Lyshanna had become like Norman Bates keeping his corpse locked away somewhere so they could be together. WTF BioWare?? You mean this damn expansion was so rushed that it couldn't even read whether or not ol' Alistair bit it? Or Wynne for that matter?

It would depend on what save you imported from.  IF he hadn't sacrificed himself yet in your imported save, the game would have no way of knowing that your love was dead.  Of course if you used the after its all done and over save where it should have recognized him as gone...having zombie Alistair sweep you off your feet and run off with you together would be creepy...

He's so adorable though that I would still be happy to see Alistair.  We could be zombies together and go eat brains and cheeses of the world in Orlais...or maybe Antiva...

[ENCHANTMENTSSS]

sylvanaerie wrote...


He's so adorable though that I would still be happy to see Alistair.  We could be zombies together and go eat brains and cheeses of the world in Orlais...or maybe Antiva...

U and ur brains and cheese!!!

[sylvanaerie]

HEY Enchantmentsss I finally did a playthrough of Kill Connor and got the same fubared conversation with Eamon about his boy acting weird too! I didn't even get the proper epilogue card for it either!

[ENCHANTMENTSSS]

Ya that was a definite oversight then. I guess that's the problem they have when there's too many scenarios and probable outcomes... The days of simplicity in being a Jedi Knight and joining the dark side or not are never to exist again

[krasnoarmeets]

1./ I wasn't expecting them to have sex in front of everyone in the gravel. Hardening Alistair does make for a change in his behaviour. Also contrary to someone else's argument somewhere in the thread, he does acquiesce to the requests for public displays of affection and is especially appreciative of Morrigan's reaction to them. 'Two birds with one stone, I could get to like this...' Incidentally, given the incorrigible joker that Alistair is and his whole attitude toward the royalty thing AND the part in the epilogue where it stated he would slip out to commoner pubs, I doubt he would want femWarden to bow to him. Nor would mine do it for that matter. Kiss on cheek versus smutty whisperings debate is an interesting one and I would be more satisfied with the latter if that were more obviously the case. Subtitles with '(whispers) [insert something smutty here]' would be good. BTW, you get the same thing if you harden Alistair and don't marry him. 'The King can do whatever he wants...' For instance, with my elven assassin, I got the same scene. I just tried it out. I haven't completed it yet with either, so don't know what the ending will be like (the few retarded lines that will no doubt feature in the epilogue). On the upside, during the initial meeting, he does at one point say, 'my love,' which can certainly be interpreted as more encouraging than the exchange witnessed between Anora and male Warden, which appears to be mostly generic.

2./ Alistair was looking at femWarden when he asked what the situation was and Varel barely acknowledges her until the 'where are my manners' comes up. I don't think his behaviour is befitting one who is a) meeting his commander (i.e. his superior) for the first time, who is essentially the Arlessa and his liege and his Queen for pity's sake. All down to opinion, naturally, but if you play through the keep part properly you have all the same information that the seneschal has, and, in fact, are more informed as to the situation than he is. Dialogue options anyone? I don't like someone talking over the top of me when I'm asked a question. In this case, it's essentially an underling, so, I think it rude. Know your place you filthy seneschal or witness my wrath! (lol)

3./ With regard to the Queen/Princess-consort debate, if you carefully read my original rant (and I acknowledge that it was indeed a rant given how irritated I was) you will see that my plea was for consistency. At the coronation he announces her as his Queen, and yet in the epilogue, she is referred to as 'Princess-consort.' Consistency anyone? 'Nuff said.

4./ Anora. I have completed Origins with a male noble who married her and at the coronation, chose to stay with her at court, admitted I was nervous about the wedding and she opens up saying that she finds you intimidating. Her promise to return ASAP in Awakening is the most you're going to get out of someone who is so guarded.

ENCHANTMENTSSS wrote...

Ya that was a definite oversight
then. I guess that's the problem they have when there's too many
scenarios and probable outcomes... The days of simplicity in being a
Jedi Knight and joining the dark side or not are never to exist
again

Lol, so true, so true. Don't make promises you clearly can't keep, I say... if you're going to say that all choices made will have a logical impact in the expansion then you need to follow that through if you want to retain player confidence. Otherwise they're simply going to play someone else's game.

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 07 avril 2010 - 01:50 .

[Typoqueen]

krasnoarmeets wrote...
Kiss on cheek versus smutty whisperings debate is an interesting one and I would be more satisfied with the latter if that were more obviously the case. Subtitles with '(whispers) [insert something smutty here]' would be good.

This.
Don't take me for an ingrate or anything, I am thankful that I get to see Alistair as my husband in Awakening while players didn't even get to see their romanced Leliana or Zevran (it made me sad that Zevran didn't make a cameo too.) It's just that that kiss on the cheek hurt my little heart a a bit. I was like "But.. waaaa? Not even a light kiss on the lips? Hold my cheek and half a second lip touching? No? :(" But if that whisper in the ear thing was pulled off, that would have made me much much happier.
But then I remember that he IS King and he's probably trying his best to become the part. Hey, at least he did call us "dear wife" and not some vague term to apply to every single possible character.
Perhaps this is for the other thread but what irked me more than this was the epilogue card. I think I'll go visit that thread too.

Modifié par Typoqueen, 07 avril 2010 - 02:08 .

[MassEffect762]

No money no honey. LOL.

[Ulicus]

It's not a reunion, it's a temporary farewell. They've been joined at the hip for the better part of two years (I'm including the romance over the course of Origins). I bet he gave her a "proper" send off before she left the palace.

Modifié par Ulicus, 07 avril 2010 - 02:33 .

[Hagathaq]

Pshaw. Complaining about a kiss on the cheek?

Luxury.

My female noble rogue, who supported Alistair as King and married him in the end, didn't even get that. Alistair treated her like she was just some soldier, not his wife. No nice dialogue, no hug, no kiss, nothing. Well, tell ya what, pal. That little mage is kind of cute, and I won't be back at the palace for a while....

This expansion is buggy, buggy, buggy.

Modifié par Hagathaq, 07 avril 2010 - 03:09 .

[krasnoarmeets]

Ulicus wrote...

It's not a reunion, it's a temporary farewell. They've been joined at the hip for the better part of two years (I'm including the romance over the course of Origins). I bet he gave her a "proper" send off before she left the palace.

I wanna see the video footage..  Steamy cutscene anyone?

Hagathaq wrote...

Pshaw. Complaining about a kiss on the cheek?

Luxury.

My
female noble rogue, who supported Alistair as King and married him in
the end, didn't even get that. Alistair treated her like she was just
some soldier, not his wife. No nice dialogue, no hug, no kiss, nothing.
Well, tell ya what, pal. That little mage is kind of cute, and I won't
be back at the palace for a while....

This expansion is buggy, buggy, buggy.

So she wasn't actually in an intimate relationship with him in Origins? If that's the case, then I guess it does make a difference contrary to what another poster said in this thread.

I just went through the scene with Alistair again and I think there may be some truth in the claim that Alistair may be whispering something in the warden's ear. There is a wee smile on her face afterwards. A bashful smile even. Could be something smutty.  

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 07 avril 2010 - 05:00 .

[kayleighrawr]

My Female Noble married Alistair but stayed with Zevran, yet when I met Alistair in Awakenings he was all in love with me. So I take it I'm no longer with Zevran.

[Thor Rand Al]

Suron wrote...
maybe he finally dug that hole through the world

Winner for why Dog didn't show up in Awakening's.  And the best possible scenario I've heard so far lmao

[asaiasai]

I do not want to be a dick but as is the case sometiems i can not avoid it, and still speak what i think.



If you romanced Allistair and made him king well he is going to be busy, too busy to rub your feet while you watch some estrogen laden female empowering epic on Life Time.



If you decided to rule the land as Prince consort see above.



If you decided to romance to flighty tart what do you expect but for her to run off.



Now if you romanced someone more avaliable like say Zeveran, Leliana or even Allistair provided of course you did not make him king you have a valid point. I will agree if you romanced someone in this paragraph to get stuck with Oghren is well like getting stuck with a 3 day old carp. I would have preffered to have my LI from DAO follow me to Awakenings under some specific circumstances but it was not to be, eh ill deal Awakenings is still good. The new cast is still good and it is still alot of fun to turn them from "you suck!" to "hey your not so bad".



Asai

[BomimoDK]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

 WTF?! Just started playing Awakening with my much treasured female human noble who married Alistair (whom I might add he announced as his Queen at his coronation, but is referred to as the Princess-consort in the epilogue (which earns another wtf)) and their greeting of one another left a rather bitter taste in my mouth. Considering that in Origins the story implies that they couldn't keep their hands off one another, the scene is ridiculous. First thing I have to say is that Alistair's dialogue sounds stiff. And why is the Queen bowing and averting her eyes from her husband? Another thing I have a problem with is Varel: Alistair is looking at his Queen when he asks what the situation is and yet Varel blurts out his nonsense, which is so totally rude and disrespectful. That definitely should earn him some lashes, if not a beheading. And Mhairi... she suddenly bows down fawning over King Alistair, but how come my character didn't get a similar 'my Queen' speech? However the thing that really got my goat and prompted this rant was the kiss on the cheek.
A KISS ON THE CHEEK?! Are you crapping in my sandwich and telling me it's peanut butter?! Gaaah!  Considering how he called her a temptress and a minx in the dialogue, it's bloody insulting. Is he already trying for an heir with someone else?

you're overreacting. i found the engergy to be positive and full of husband/wife affection. you've got to remember that they've been married for 6 months. as far as i see it, it's just one kiss of a million. my god man, a kiss on the cheek for a goodbye is common practice between couples who aren't just horny teenagers who just get together to celebrate chemical reactions. that is how love is expressed between couples who are best friends and lovers for eachother. did you expect a public xes scene? it's the bloody king and queen. can you imagine what the chantry would do if they saw such display of carelessness in public from such figures. not to mention the nobles running amock because they show weakness. no, such things are left for the bedroom. the king already took a chance at the way he was chatting her up (with a loving playful voice).

i think it was fitting enough.
for now, i'll keep assuming that whatever happens in the intro is part of writing. if he whispers at every girl. the we can assume he's being naughty with the queen and when it's any other of the origins, he's just being a cute perv.
he was in character, think about the psychological effect of marriage before talking. whatever Anora does, being cold, generic and a total egoist little **** IS her character. but, i'm still on my first play of AWA. finding everything satisfactory this far.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 07 avril 2010 - 09:33 .