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[Cypher0020]

Ok... I'm a female gamer... a black female gamer half white but eh.... and I try to base my characters that act like me/look like me..... so I made a HFN..... and well.....



I'm finding it really hard to just get past Highever castle... I know that race/gender etc have little effect in the DAO universe... and I try to come up with a logical RP reason....but I just can't and I find it frustrating....

I don't know... am I weird? I find it hard to play black characters sometimes in this game, but I really want to try the Alistair/Queen ending (is there an acheivement for that?)


Please note I'm trying to sound racist/sexist etc or anything like that!!

I almot wish the PC's parents were some random nobility and the Couslands took you in or something....

[Ramante]

There is no achievement for becoming queen..



Why don't you create another character that feels right to you (doesn't have to be human noble) and play that one for a while, then your noble and then switch back again.

It may sound strange but it works for me. I created a human noble (female) and a dalish elf (male), since I find it very weird to play as a guy (I'm female IRL), I just played both playthroughs switching from the female to the male character and back. It helped a lot.

[Mirthadrond]

How many of us created our characters and thought: man I don't look anything like any of my relatives??



At least I was good looking.



Recessive gene??

[Mirthadrond]

It is possible to create a character that looks older than the parents, yet you are the youngest.

[Anarcala]

As a white female, I find the lack of black and asian looking characters in this game kinda disturbing. Don't get me wrong, I understand that it has a very 'medaeval european' feel (so white, white, white) and that there are racist issues between dwarves/elves/humans. That doesn't ease my mind much though.

[blademaster7]

Fallout 3 has a function that makes your father look like you.

I wish we had that in DAO as well.

[master-fluff]

Cypher0020 wrote...

I almot wish the PC's parents were some random nobility and the Couslands took you in or something....

Well you could roleplay that your Cousland was adopted, why not ?  Or maybe Mrs Cousland wasn't faithful to Mr Cousland and Mr Cousland still hasn't found out.  There are no DNA paternity tests in Ferelden...

[Herr Uhl]

master-fluff wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

I almot wish the PC's parents were some random nobility and the Couslands took you in or something....

Well you could roleplay that your Cousland was adopted, why not ?  Or maybe Mrs Cousland wasn't faithful to Mr Cousland and Mr Cousland still hasn't found out.  There are no DNA paternity tests in Ferelden...

The black-haired, black with brown eyes genes were recessive I tells ya!

[soignee]

I suspect Mrs. Cousland enjoyed the Riviani ambasassador's function a little too much at the time of your PC's conception...

Or you were adopted.

My Missa (see icon!) Looks nothing like her mother or her sister, both pale redheads. we have different dads though, I do believe.

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

My Missa (see icon!) Looks nothing like her mother or her sister, both pale redheads. we have different dads though, I do believe.

Having different dads seems to be very plausible for an ex noble-hunters kids.

[BroBear Berbil]

In an old thread about this subject David Gaider said that this would be something that's taken into consideration in the future. That doesn't mean that in the future it will be different or that it even needs to be different but they're aware that for some people this is apparently a big issue that they can't get past.

As I see it, it's not a problem with the game but the players. It being a fantasy game one would think that those who play it are able to suspend their disbelief. I think a comment I made back then about this was something along the lines of "they're not judging your skin color so why are you judging theirs?" You could be Rivaini and adopted. I mean, your sister-in-law as a human noble is Antivan so the Couslands don't seem to have any issues with foreigners joining the family.

As a white female, I find the lack of black and asian looking characters
in this game kinda disturbing. Don't get me wrong, I understand that
it has a very 'medaeval european' feel (so white, white, white) and that
there are racist issues between dwarves/elves/humans. That doesn't
ease my mind much though.

This is where racial hypersensitivity gets pretty ridiculous. Skin color does not play any factor in the game at all so I'm not sure what's so disturbing about it. The facial features exist in the character creator to make black or Asian characters and the skin colors are there too. Mother Malol is clearly Asian and I'm sure there are plenty of other NPCs that make use of the Asian features. How many I can't say, because I'm not counting.

As a half-Cuban half-Caucasian I think you guys need to lighten up (badum ba) on the race thing and try to have fun.

[DarkCamel]

This issue has been addressed a couple of times before, but you are on the right track if you want to play a character that looks different than your parents for RP reasons.



There are nations with darker skinned peoples to the North, and the Cousland family travels (Bryce recently went to Orlais, and Fergus' wife is from Antiva across the sea).



It is possible that you were adopted (to include that your biological parents died saving the Couslands when you were just an infant), or that either Bryce or Oriana Cousland is not your biological parent. Either way, the Couslands consider you their child. Pick your poison and RP accordingly.



We do not see overt racism within humans or other humanoids. Nationalism seems to be the most important thing (the Tevinter elf guard explains it clearly to another elf) .

[Master Shiori]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok... I'm a female gamer... a black female gamer half white but eh.... and I try to base my characters that act like me/look like me..... so I made a HFN..... and well.....



I'm finding it really hard to just get past Highever castle... I know that race/gender etc have little effect in the DAO universe... and I try to come up with a logical RP reason....but I just can't and I find it frustrating....

I don't know... am I weird? I find it hard to play black characters sometimes in this game, but I really want to try the Alistair/Queen ending (is there an acheivement for that?)


Please note I'm trying to sound racist/sexist etc or anything like that!!

I almot wish the PC's parents were some random nobility and the Couslands took you in or something....

Err, you are or you aren't trying to sounds racist?

On a more serious note:

There do seem to be quite a few dark skinned people around in Ferelden; soldiers, farmers, merchants, priests and other townsfolk. However, all the nobles at Landsmeet appear to be caucasian (or whatever passes for politicaly correct term in the States nowadays...).

I guess your best bet would be to roleplay that your char has been adopted into the Cousland family at a young age.

[sylvanaerie]

I kinda like the poster who suggested that you were adopted out of "your parents saved the Couslands" kind of thing. Perhaps they happened upon a child whose parents were killed by bandits or who was left at the gate by someone who couldn't take care of her baby. That would totally work for me. Bryce and Eleanor are quite the progressives (even Iona says that they treat elves in Highever better than in other places which speaks a lot for them). I see no reason why they wouldn't take in a foundling and raise him/her any differently than they would their own child.

I can't see adultery between them for any reason. He insists his wife abandon him and she refuses choosing to buy time for their child and die at his side. That kind of devotion just doesn't seem to foster infidelity (which often happened with "courtly" love between nobles of the time because of arranged marriages being the norm rather than the exception). They genuinely seem to trust and love each other. I suppose its possible in his younger days Bryce might have sown a few oats (and taken in his bastard) but I don't see Eleanor cheating at all. And since EVERYone in the game treats the PC like the rest of her family she certainly didn't get Alistair's sh*tty upbringing.

I guess I would go with the "adopted" thing. First PC I made was very dark too with dark hair and golden eyes. I saw the family and went' OOOPS but then just played it as she was the child of a knight and his wife in service to the Couslands. When her daddy died defending the family Bryce promised to look after her mom and the baby (she was preggers) and when her mom died in childbirth, Eleanor took over the role of Mom. Of course...not sure how that works among nobility with the whole "Bloodline" thing as Eleanor is rather adamant about the Cousland line continuing. But then maybe they never told your PC about your blood parents, not wanting to cause you unhappiness.

[Cypher0020]

Wow. That's a nice backstory. I suppose adoption would be the best way to go RP wise.



Take the DC origin... Rica says your father... that threw me, I assumed Rica and the PC had the same dad O.o I was really wrong there....

[tmp7704]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok... I'm a female gamer... a black female gamer half white but eh.... and I try to base my characters that act like me/look like me..... so I made a HFN..... and well.....



I'm finding it really hard to just get past Highever castle... I know that race/gender etc have little effect in the DAO universe... and I try to come up with a logical RP reason....but I just can't and I find it frustrating....

I don't know... am I weird? I find it hard to play black characters sometimes in this game, but I really want to try the Alistair/Queen ending (is there an acheivement for that?)

Unfortunately all characters in the game has certain, defined appearances for them so yes, if you make a character who doesn't match in appearance it can result in clash you describe.

I suppose one way to solve that would be perhaps to play with the game Toolset a bit (if you have the PC version) and adjust appearance of at least one of your Cousland parents to match/explain the appearance of your own character this way?

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

My Missa (see icon!) Looks nothing like her mother or her sister, both pale redheads. we have different dads though, I do believe.

Having different dads seems to be very plausible for an ex noble-hunters kids.

Was Kalah (Brosca mother) a noble hunter? I thought she was 'only' casteless, and not actually a noble hunter. Noble hunting requires gold for the licience/clothes/demeanor, it's like being a geisha. Which is why you work for Beraht, as he's paying for Rica and you both got debts to pay.

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

My Missa (see icon!) Looks nothing like her mother or her sister, both pale redheads. we have different dads though, I do believe.

Having different dads seems to be very plausible for an ex noble-hunters kids.

Was Kalah (Brosca mother) a noble hunter? I thought she was 'only' casteless, and not actually a noble hunter. Noble hunting requires gold for the licience/clothes/demeanor, it's like being a geisha. Which is why you work for Beraht, as he's paying for Rica and you both got debts to pay.

See that she gave birth to two daughters (in your case). And she seems pretty bitter about it. Daughters = no doe.

Edit: And having a child of an duster might bring it on in the case of a male. Could they be seen as expired after heir first birth btw?

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 06 avril 2010 - 02:51 .

[mousestalker]

As an elf in real life, I've been rather resentful of how we are portrayed in the game. Some elves are technology savvy, you know. Some of us actually have money in the bank and are homeowners. We are not "a lithe folk with a gift for poverty".



Not to mention how the ears in game are entirely wrong.

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

See that she gave birth to two daughters (in your case). And she seems pretty bitter about it. Daughters = no doe.

Edit: And having a child of an duster might bring it on in the case of a male. Could they be seen as expired after heir first birth btw?

Depends entirely on the noble who was hunted, I should imagine; technically not an heir, but if he liked the courtesan there's always a way of hiding/ covering up things.

I've assumed it was cannon that Brosca!Dad was a duster who went to the surface and never returned. When you were in "spit-rags" and he was still around, he did a really ****ty job of cleaning vents that the mining caste wouldn't touch- Rica speaks about it when you first see her in the game.

I will poke the toolset when I get home and get the Rica conversations up, sadly I can't find the Kalah ones. But they're just YOU'RE USELESS I ONLY BEAT YOU SO YOU'D LEARN DID YOU KNOW I AM A DRUNK, nothing too insightful.

[jpdipity]

You could find or create replacement morphs for the Cousland faces.  Although that may be easier said than done since I haven't seen many morphs for people of color.
I agree, the game lacks diversity.  I use replacement morphs for nearly all the NPCs; so, I've added a few Asians, but it has been very difficult to find Hispanic and Black morphs.  I would create them myself, but the toolset has been very unreliable and stubborn for me.

[Ulicus]

The only problem with the adoption story is that Anora, to a male HN anyway, says flat out "you are of Cousland blood".



Though maybe you're from another branch of the family and your parents died? Or perhaps you're Bryce's bastard and Eleanor is just super forgiving.

[sylvanaerie]

Ulicus wrote...

The only problem with the adoption story is that Anora, to a male HN anyway, says flat out "you are of Cousland blood".

Though maybe you're from another branch of the family and your parents died? Or perhaps you're Bryce's bastard and Eleanor is just super forgiving.

Yea but you only get that line if you are a male Cousland. If its a female it doesnt' come up.  Even so, didn't Elizabeth I proclaim James as her successor? He was a (was it cousin? Wasn't his gramma one of Henry's sisters?) so perhaps the PC could even be one of Bryce's nephew/neices and adopted.  As the line never came up in my playthrough I wasn't too worried about it, and my backstory was just something I made up for RP purposes in my head.  Certainly the default story in the game is those ARE the PC's parents.  On subsequent playthroughs with Cousland's I made them look more like the family now that I knew what they looked like.

[Ulicus]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Yea but you only get that line if you are a male Cousland. If its a female it doesnt' come up.

Yeah, I figured as much -- I wasn't sure though, so I couldn't just say: "But that's not a problem for the OP".

sylvanaerie wrote...
Even so, didn't Elizabeth I proclaim James as her successor? He was a (was it cousin? Wasn't his gramma one of Henry's sisters?) so perhaps the PC could even be one of Bryce's nephew/neices and adopted.

Didn't I have that covered with "a different branch of the family"?

sylvanaerie wrote...
Certainly the default story in the game is those ARE the PC's parents.  On subsequent playthroughs with Cousland's I made them look more like the family now that I knew what they looked like.

Yeah, ditto.

Though I don't think Fergus looks anything like his parents, either, TBH. And it looks like brown eyes are recessive in Ferelden....

[Carmen_Willow]

Mirthadrond wrote...

How many of us created our characters and thought: man I don't look anything like any of my relatives??

At least I was good looking.

Recessive gene??

With a couple of my characters, I suspected that Calin's dad had gotten around to more than just maids in the castle :innocent:  Those Calenhad genes are pretty darned dominant. LOL