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[Vardel]

I have just over 7k myself. The only hope any with under 10k tokens has is if BioWare starts auctioning single items, as opposed to sets of items.

[CowOnDinosaur]

T1l wrote...


@CowOnDinosaur - How does doing a questionaire for points correlate into rewarding pirates/used game stores? PC games can rarely be purchased used at game stores anymore, and pirates typically won't bother going to a developer's site. I mean, I understand from the point of view if you purchased all of the games, it is kind of like a slap to the face to see someone who doesn't have any registered games getting these points. 

It correlates to rewarding pirates/used game stores because it is actually cheaper or even free to buy it from a used game store or pirate while still getting the same exact rewards while giving Bioware exactly zero dollars.

You also forget that a huge, huge portion of owners out there are from the 360 and PS3 versions, which can be bought used.

Modifié par CowOnDinosaur, 06 avril 2010 - 07:31 .

[Vardel]

CowOnDinosaur wrote...

T1l wrote...


@CowOnDinosaur - How does doing a questionaire for points correlate into rewarding pirates/used game stores? PC games can rarely be purchased used at game stores anymore, and pirates typically won't bother going to a developer's site. I mean, I understand from the point of view if you purchased all of the games, it is kind of like a slap to the face to see someone who doesn't have any registered games getting these points. 

It correlates to rewarding pirates/used game stores because it is actually cheaper or even free to buy it from a used game store or pirate while still getting the same exact rewards while giving Bioware exactly zero dollars.

You also forget that a huge, huge portion of owners out there are from the 360 and PS3 versions, which can be bought used.

The thing is, a contest cannot require you to buy something. There must always be a way for someone to enter without spending money. That is why when McDonalds does the Monopoly game, you can mail a request for a free game token. It is the law. There is no way BioWare could have went around it and lawfully held the contest.

[CowOnDinosaur]

SpeedNut wrote...

They had to do it that way due to legal reasons.  No purchase necessary to win.  They did try to hide the link in the detailed rules and not promote that you didn't need to buy a title, so I wouldn't go that far.  All it did was make the baseline 5950 points.  After that it's luck of the draw with Challenge wins, which in light of the referral hacking nonsense probably should have been a much larger point amount than 500 points, and the referral link point generation, which is what currently is separating those who can competitively bid vs. those that can't.

They could've easily made the questionaires worth considerably less than real registrations and fulfilled that requirement.

Also Challenges are still somewhat skewed since people are allowed as many entries as they want.  Someone who thoughtlessly spammed basically the same answer with a couple words changed has a far greater chance winning simply due to having a far better chance at being in the judgement pool over a guy who put actual thought and creativity into one or two answers.

It shouldn't have even been over twitter.  That's just too hard to control.  Even if they imposed a one answer per person limit (which they should've), a person could've just made tons of twitter accounts since they're not directly tied to bioware social accounts.

[jlg6184]

Fair enough. I understand your reason, even if I don't agree. I just don't think their intentions were "Let reward people for not supporting us." They likely seen this as a promotional tool to give back to the fans, and so far, it doesn't appear to be working, as may people can abuse the system they have in place, but I don't really think that it necessarily correlates into rewarding pirates and used game buyers. But I will concede that if you were to have purchased all three games, I can definitely understand your frustrations.

[CowOnDinosaur]

Vardel wrote...

CowOnDinosaur wrote...

T1l wrote...


@CowOnDinosaur - How does doing a questionaire for points correlate into rewarding pirates/used game stores? PC games can rarely be purchased used at game stores anymore, and pirates typically won't bother going to a developer's site. I mean, I understand from the point of view if you purchased all of the games, it is kind of like a slap to the face to see someone who doesn't have any registered games getting these points. 

It correlates to rewarding pirates/used game stores because it is actually cheaper or even free to buy it from a used game store or pirate while still getting the same exact rewards while giving Bioware exactly zero dollars.

You also forget that a huge, huge portion of owners out there are from the 360 and PS3 versions, which can be bought used.

The thing is, a contest cannot require you to buy something. There must always be a way for someone to enter without spending money. That is why when McDonalds does the Monopoly game, you can mail a request for a free game token. It is the law. There is no way BioWare could have went around it and lawfully held the contest.

Also, just to add, simply signing up for a social account gives us 1000 tokens, and that is a way to enter without spending anything.  As are referrals and challenges.

[Secret Silence]

It wouldn't suprise me if some got multiple accounts with those 1500 "free" points off account creation and Create a character on DAO....

[CowOnDinosaur]

jlg6184 wrote...

Fair enough. I understand your reason, even if I don't agree. I just don't think their intentions were "Let reward people for not supporting us." They likely seen this as a promotional tool to give back to the fans, and so far, it doesn't appear to be working, as may people can abuse the system they have in place, but I don't really think that it necessarily correlates into rewarding pirates and used game buyers. But I will concede that if you were to have purchased all three games, I can definitely understand your frustrations.

Oh I'm sure their intention wasn't to reward those not supporting them, but it's the result.

Intentions aren't everything.  A drunk driver might not intend to hurt anyone, but if he did, it doesn't absolve guilt or repercussions just because he didn't intend to do it.

You might not intend to ****** Morrigan off by asking about friendship, but you did, and there are repercussions.  However at least in that scenario we could load up a previous save....

[WolfMark1374]

my opinion is that this shows that this bazaar has turned into something not for us true bioware fans that are buying there products and keeping them in business. the unqiue url clicking changed it to whoever is better and social networking and popular at doing it. which i dont think is fair. the challeges were good for earning points. it allowed the real fans to win more points. but the url clicking made it so all you had to do was get people to click the link. im like everyone else. i thought i was going to have a real chance to win something. that it was going to be alot of real auctions. but all of these auctions within a minute are up around 10000 or more points. there are like 5 or 6 bids normaly and thats it. very disappointed and unhappy with this

[Chimerus]

yea... Ive only got 6k... did not realize how heavy link building was a factor before, now its too late.

linky?

Modifié par Chimerus, 06 avril 2010 - 08:11 .

[Chimerus]

I keep seeing how people believe that the folks bidding 10K+ are going to run out soon. As a believer in pessimism, I think that if they can scrounge up that many points so easily, there's a pretty good chance they can do it with multiple accounts. Free stuff brings out the worst in people. -soapbox off-

Linky - for all the poor regular folks out there, trying their best without exploits....

Modifié par Chimerus, 06 avril 2010 - 08:17 .

[WolfMark1374]

well the good thing is, that if someone one the game with 2 differnt accounts i would like to think bioware would catch that when they go to confirm the winners identies and then void all there wins. my only hope is to maybe win at like 3 in the morning or maybe like friday or saturday all the big point people will be out of points. but by then all the items might be gone since they are bundling so many items together.

[WolfMark1374]

if anyone wants to help me out. i will click on any links i see come up on this page also.

http://social.bioware.com/brc/675185

[CowOnDinosaur]

Chimerus wrote...

I keep seeing how people believe that the folks bidding 10K+ are going to run out soon. As a believer in pessimism, I think that if they can scrounge up that many points so easily, there's a pretty good chance they can do it with multiple accounts. Free stuff brings out the worst in people. -soapbox off-

Linky - for all the poor regular folks out there, trying their best without exploits....

No, it's just foolish to think that people are running out of points because just a few dozen are spending 10k.  There are thousands and thousands of people in this competition and there are probably more high rollers than there are prize packages in total.  On the contrary, I think that average winning bids will only go UP from here on out as spammers/exploiters have even more time to spam/exploit.

Link

Modifié par CowOnDinosaur, 06 avril 2010 - 08:31 .

[WolfMark1374]

ya you are probably right. i am just trying to hope maybe ill win something. ive been doing the challenge every day since it started. and i would hate to think i wasted all that time trying to earn 500 points will mean nothing when people will be bidding 10000 or higher every time.

I am still very disappointed in bioware for this and i think they should stop the whole thing and rethink it. so that the real fans can enjoy this.

cause there are people out there who make a living winning free contests that can do this and win. they will win one of those expensive computers then turn around and sell it. this should of been something that only real fans and supporters of bioware could do an make earning points something that required something harder than just socialnetworking

[BellosTheMighty]

CowOnDinosaur wrote...
On the contrary, I think that average winning bids will only go UP from here on out as spammers/exploiters have even more time to spam/exploit.

Unlikely. They've been doing it since last week, and the bazaar is almost half over. They're still at it, of course, but what they'll gain between now and the time things close up Saturday is less than what they've gotten already.

BTW, when this is all over, I'd be curious to know what exactly these exploits are, and how they were being used. Because right now I see a lot of "I'm not winning anything. + Winning bids are more than I have to begin with = CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER!!" Sour grapes make for bitter whine...

[fl0wers]

http://social.bioware.com/brc/384222

Modifié par fl0wers, 06 avril 2010 - 08:54 .

[Bounty Hunter Wrex]

For all of u upset over the referral bot boosting ....sign the petition and do something about it.... the petition is in the forums

[WolfMark1374]

oh there is a petition, I am gonna definatly signing that

[ArterHWTD]

Referral URL tokens was very bad idea.

Challenges show true game knowledge of bioware fans, but huge amount of referral tokens shows just a knowledge of anonymous proxies and writing web-bots.

Who Bioware wants to reward? True fans or cunning web spamers? That is the question.

Nullifying referrals give a chance to fans, who win tokens on challenge answers and bought all games.

[Tyrax Lightning]

ForsakenSon wrote...

Yeah, my best bet is to go for an auction at like 3:30 AM or something, haha.

While it's 3:30am where you're at, it's gonna be midday elsewhere on Earth at the same time. Thank Time Zones for this. I already thought of this too, then I remembered Time Zones & my hopes were dashed.

2,700 Tokens here. I didn't work diligently for Tokens because only the Headset prize alone appeals to me. I'm toast.

[Topken]

tyrax you forget this is only for the 50 usa states so the time zone doesnt have that large of an effect ehre which is a good thing

[Tyrax Lightning]

Topken wrote...

tyrax you forget this is only for the 50 usa states so the time zone doesnt have that large of an effect ehre which is a good thing

Doh!!!  

[CowOnDinosaur]

BellosTheMighty wrote...

CowOnDinosaur wrote...
On the contrary, I think that average winning bids will only go UP from here on out as spammers/exploiters have even more time to spam/exploit.

Unlikely. They've been doing it since last week, and the bazaar is almost half over. They're still at it, of course, but what they'll gain between now and the time things close up Saturday is less than what they've gotten already.

BTW, when this is all over, I'd be curious to know what exactly these exploits are, and how they were being used. Because right now I see a lot of "I'm not winning anything. + Winning bids are more than I have to begin with = CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER!!" Sour grapes make for bitter whine...

It's more unlikely  there are relatively few people willing to bid 10,000 tokens on items.

This contest literally has more than 100,000 contestants. 

Add to the fact that there are five days worth of referrals and challenges left, which is a giant bulk of tokens apparently since, thanks to questionaires, 5950 is the absolute baseline, leaving 4000+ over a week, and there's no reason to believe the next five days of referrals and challenges will be any different.

If the opposite were true, that high rollers are indeed dying out, that would mean the 10k+ club would only be made up of a few dozen people, which doesn't seem likely just by eyeballing how many different names have reached into the 9k range just in today's auctions.

Modifié par CowOnDinosaur, 06 avril 2010 - 11:33 .

[ArterHWTD]

CowOnDinosaur wrote...

If the opposite were true, that high rollers are indeed dying out, that would mean the 10k+ club would only be made up of a few dozen people, which doesn't seem likely just by eyeballing how many different names have reached into the 9k range just in today's auctions.

Here our heroes, 10k club:

Draugr          16800  won
makenzieshepard 12373  won
WrexEffex       11941  won
TheSeventhJedi  11850  won
Sinnerjo        11317  won
big1987foot     11300  won
Moonlover       11245  won
Pawn45          11077  won
CidCon          11070  (won 10610)
blackvolk       11000  won
copacabanajack  11000  won
Knoxzone1       10900  won
eqzitara        10800  won
Averross375     10544  won
NancyH          10470  won
Jake71887       10445  won
lee.siha        10315  won
afterimagesof   10205  won
Stark9          10100  won
RocketSurgery   10100  won
HadesTheLeprechaun 11600 won

LaLaLona        14652
Grecko32        12751
desurge         12330
Veive257        12076
Wizard52986     12056
Mintyass        11636
Sadinar         10930
Thompaine       10680
TheRyanx2       10310
DougyPhresh     10078
BellosTheMighty 11451




So, teoretically winners don't have enought tokens anymore. 

Modifié par ArterHWTD, 07 avril 2010 - 12:49 .