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lol is that ecksbox version?



the PC version is much sharper in quality

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A1x2e3l wrote...

Well, modern cross-platform middleware like Gamebryo/LightSpeed allows just with few settings for engine compilers and 3D modeler exporters to produce basically finished game product simultaneously for PC, PS3, Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii. “One-after-another” approach is gone for good.

This is hardly accurate. Just because some particular middleware claims to have this ability doesn't mean the practice to generate ports separately (sometimes going as far as outsourcing the work to another company) is "gone for good". To the contrary.

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Damar Stiehl wrote...

Blame the consoles. Low-res textures are necessary for porting. Be happy that characters didn't get low-rezzed as well.


I doubt that's actually true. Mass Effect 2 has sharp and very nice textures on the Xbox360. Games like Assassin's Creed 2 and Gears of War 2 have even better textures. The differences in quality between these games on the Xbox360 and their PC-port are really small.

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But are they also smaller games? Let's face it, DAO is a huge game...

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Damar Stiehl wrote...

Blame the consoles. Low-res textures are necessary for porting. Be happy that characters didn't get low-rezzed as well.


you have no idea what your talking about , another childish rant at console's .

Personally i like the graphics , the animations are very good.

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gingerbill wrote...

Damar Stiehl wrote...

Blame the consoles. Low-res textures are necessary for porting. Be happy that characters didn't get low-rezzed as well.


you have no idea what your talking about , another childish rant at console's .

Personally i like the graphics , the animations are very good.


Careful, your console fanboi is showing. What passes for good textures on a console rates somewhere between "godawful crap" and "barely passable" on a PC.

Also, learn proper placing of apostrophes, it makes you look older than 13.

Modifié par Damar Stiehl, 07 avril 2010 - 06:36 .


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Dallo wrote...

I'm replaying The Witcher at the moment and, apart from some aspects of NPC detailing, the graphics kick DA's butt.


Playing The Witcher as well at the moment and I have to agree with some of the stuff posted above, especially when it comes to landscapes and settlements. Other stuff, like the constant recycling of NPC models, bothers me something fierce.

I'm running both games at maximum settings and I have to admit I do care about how the game looks a great deal. So I do see the OP's point. It's probably a case of performance adjustement / lack of time / lack of interst in detail.

Modifié par - Songlian -, 07 avril 2010 - 07:04 .


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The thing that just bugs me is that I get the need to have more limited textures and such for the console versions given the hardware limitations there. But at least with the PC version it would be nice to at least have an option for high res textures and more graphical options in general- isn't that the point with PC gaming? DA's graphics aren't bad by any stretch, but compared to other games, DA has its fair share of flaws.

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Brockololly wrote...

But at least with the PC version it would be nice to at least have an option for high res textures and more graphical options in general- isn't that the point with PC gaming?

DA does come with the "medium" and "high res" texture packs. The "high res" version includes only some of the textures though, not the full "medium" set. Not going to guess the reasons for that as it could be many things.

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Luc0s wrote...

Somehow RPG's of this sort always have worse graphics than other games of other genres (online or offline, MMO or not, it doesn't matter). WoW graphics are crap (even for it's time), Guild Wars graphics where much like DA:O graphics but worse (because it's an older game of course), same goes for Oblivion (which was a crap game in general imo) and Fallout 3.

I really wonder why "typical" (western) RPG's always have "bad" graphics.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think DA:O has bad graphics, but ME2 and other modern games obviously beat DA:O easily when it comes to graphics.

usually due to size of the game. graphics in shorter games are easier to keep higher because there's less content and so not as much space is eaten up. da is a 70 hour+ game on the pc if you play all/most of the quests. it was 20 gigs to install. were they to make the graphics on par with me2 the size would jump another 5-10 gigs at least.

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I have both an Xbox (3 of 'em, actually) and a PC. There is no doubt that the graphics are better by some margin on a PC. I also have the JBTextures mod installed which is just way beyond anything I have seen on an Xbox.

Graphics aren't the sole reason I play a game, although I do like good graphics. Sometimes, I want the instant gratification of a console. I am a heretic and prefer the controller and sit back feel of a console for shooting games. RPG, RTS, etc on the PC.

Modifié par ModerateOsprey, 07 avril 2010 - 08:51 .


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Witcher was awesome, the studio even released a retouched edition a year later reducing load times, fixing afew outstanding bugs and touching up afew of the graphics.



The worst in trying to disguise graphics tho was ME1, beyond character models everything was jagged, and about 15 ft away from the main char everything was a little blurred too.



Some of the texturing in DAO was crap tho, but tbh, I found it to be extremely rare, its not something id really notice unless I purposely forced the camera right next to the wall or something.


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st6212 wrote...

The thing that irks me the most is the major clipping issues. Like weapons and equipment sticking out of the armour. Or the armour itself being too big that it cuts-off/disappears into the character model when they move about.

Yes. Overall I like the graphics just fine, but one of the first almost immersion breaking issues I noticed was dwarf beards going through their own armor in cutscenes.

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Damar Stiehl wrote...

 
Careful, your console fanboi is showing. What passes for good textures on a console rates somewhere between "godawful crap" and "barely passable" on a PC.

Also, learn proper placing of apostrophes, it makes you look older than 13.


Try and ease up a tad on being such a douchewagon brah:wizard:

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niceboob graphicshttp://social.bioware.com/brc/967354

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It wasn't rushed, it's very very very well crafted, beceause it has to run on the XBOX 360 wich has only 524 emeg of RAM.

Basically, they made this game able to run on an antiquity. A machine that has its place on a jurassic themed park. Not on the hands of today gamers. And to do that, they made many sacrifice. Those poor texture are just one of them.


Really, this is probably the case.  To get the widest possible audience, and hence the maximum amount of $$ for their product, and who could blame them, they need to opt for the lowest common denominator.  Does that mean we are going to get shabby looking games of this type, relatively speaking, in the future?  Most likely... 

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But are they also smaller games? Let's face it, DAO is a huge game...


Yes that's what I said. DAO is a huge game and they had to cut away some megabytes somewhere to keep the size of the game (in gigabytes) reasonable. I mean swapping disks on the Xbox360 is not something I actually like, because even though I installed ME2 to the HDD of my Xbox360, I still have to switch disks regulary, which is quite frustrating sometimes, mind you. This is one of the reasons why I actually bought DAO for the PC even though my PC is not good enough to run the game on the highest graphics settings.

What I'm saying is that I rather play games with "crappy" graphics than games that need disk-swapping on an Xbox360 or a top-of-the-line videocard on a PC and fill up your entire HDD before you know it.

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I wouldn't mind if DA2 was 2 DVDs like ME2.

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My wife just bought DA:O for me yesterday as a surprise and the first thing she said when I started playing was "I thought the graphics would be better" then "How long has Oblivion been out?" It kind of shocked me to hear her say that because she's a Nintendo girl. The game is awesome regardless.

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the only really thing that bugs me about the visuals in the game is the size of peoples hands. They look fine when they have armoured gloves on, but bare hands look ridiculously big for some reason.

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My guess is that they had to horrify some of the graphics so that the game could run on consoles. Especially when you're dealing with the xbox. At best, gaming on that is the equivalent of gaming on a shjtty 2005 PC. Not a dig at the consolers, just my opinion.

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I noticed some differences in the gfx as well. Some of the textures are simply gorgeous, so I really have no complaints.

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I really don't understand how people can point at the consoles for this... Oblivion was on both PC and consoles as well. Of course, it looked better on the PC, but the console version still looked great. Lots of games on consoles, even older ones, look better than Dragon Age. Isn't it possible that Bioware chose to spend less time and money on the graphics for an already expensive game? Is it also possible that, given the market for this game, they eschewed better graphics in favor of better performance on the PC?

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From the very first reviews, graphics have never been a big plus with this game.

Which is surprising given the amount of pc resources that the game allegedly takes from players systems.

It’s the game play and story that make DA for me.


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Legbiter wrote...

My guess is that they had to horrify some of the graphics so that the game could run on consoles. Especially when you're dealing with the xbox. At best, gaming on that is the equivalent of gaming on a shjtty 2005 PC. Not a dig at the consolers, just my opinion.


You have your opinion, but it holds little fact. The Xbox360 is very well crafted. Sure, the mobo chips and heatsinks had some trouble on the early models (2005/2006), but that's fixed in the Xbox Elite.

Just take a look at the hardware that's inside the Xbox360 and be amazed. If you would build a PC with hardware equivalent to that of the Xbox360, the PC wouldn't even be able to run DAO on 'low' graphics.

And if we take a look at Xbox360 exclusive titles such as Gears of War 2, you'll see that the graphics blow you away. Seriously, Gears of War 2 (Xbox360) owns DA:O (PC version) when it comes to graphics.

Modifié par Luc0s, 08 avril 2010 - 03:00 .