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[Brumbek]

Two key changes would have made this whole system much more fair and valid:

1) Total elimination of the referral method.
2) Sliding scale of challenge token rewards.

First, all the referral nonsense should have been eliminated, period. It didn’t correlate at all to the spirit of the contest.

Specifically, the “referral” process is nonsense because as we’ve sadly seen, so many people are using deception, trickery, and outright fraud and other methods to get people to click their link or auto-click. If any referral system should have been used, it should have at least been a system to get a friend to actually register on the Social site. And it should have had a hard cap on the total tokens you could acquire. But again, this whole referral thing should have been eliminated since it’s so prone to abuse. As was said by one user, the referral process is a Renagade’s dream and a Paragon’s blight. For instance, the current auction has several of the top bids by people who actively engaged in attempted and presumably successful cheating.

Second, the challenge token rewards should have been on a sliding scale of, say, 250-500 based on QUALITY of submission. The current system of rewarding 500 tokens exactly makes it far too likely to have thousands of people with the exact same amount of tokens.

Bottom line this contest was about rewarding the fans, not allowing more devious or popular people to cleverly/craftily use the referral system. And moreover, scaled challenge rewards would have provided legitimate ways for some users to have more tokens than others.

Anyway, you’re welcome for this unsolicited advice! Now CLICK MY REFERRAL LINK TO WIN A MILLION DOLLARS!!! DO IT NOW! (jk, I have no referral link because I refuse to stoop to that level and therefore also refuse to win any items, LOL)

Modifié par Brumbek, 06 avril 2010 - 10:10 .

[KanibalKittN]

i agree with you on the part of the referral method being a bad idea, but the challenges are fair. Now CLICK MY REFERRAL LINK TO WIN A MILLION DOLLARS!!! DO IT NOW! http://social.bioware.com/brc/57910

[II Hunt3r II]

IMO, they should've made betting a click function, so that you place a bet that is 10 tokens higher than the previous, given you have enough; rather than just inputting how much you want to bet.

That way, people with absurd amounts of tokens won't be able to block out everyone else by making a starting bet of 10000 tokens.

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Modifié par II Hunt3r II, 06 avril 2010 - 11:57 .

[Stippling]

II Hunt3r II wrote...

IMO, they should've made betting a click function, so that you place a bet that is 10 tokens higher than the previous, given you have enough; rather than just inputting how much you want to bet.

That way, people with absurd amounts of tokens won't be able to block out everyone else by making a starting bet of 10000 tokens.

I understand people being upset at the wide range of tokens in peoples accounts, but why would this solve any of that? All this would do is allow you to bid on items that you're ultimately going to be crushed on anyways. It's just a waste of your time.

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Modifié par Stippling, 06 avril 2010 - 11:24 .

[II Hunt3r II]

Stippling wrote...

II Hunt3r II wrote...

IMO, they should've made betting a click function, so that you place a bet that is 10 tokens higher than the previous, given you have enough; rather than just inputting how much you want to bet.

That way, people with absurd amounts of tokens won't be able to block out everyone else by making a starting bet of 10000 tokens.

I understand people being upset at the wide range of tokens in peoples accounts, but why would this solve any of that? All this would do is allow you to bid on items that you're ultimately going to be crushed on anyways. It's just a waste of your time.

Yes, but it's a fighting chance, at least.  No to mention, this gives a [ever so slight] chance that someone with lesser tokens than another member may be able to win.

[Vardel]

Two things come to mind:



1. This was mentioned already, but the referral links should have been capped at 500 tokens period, not per day. It would even the odds a bit and not swing favor to more popular internet socialites.



2. You bid tokens, you lose tokens rather you win or not. This would force people to think about what they want to bid on and promote competitive bidding. Each auction you would have to ask yourself, "Is this worth the risk?"

[demanvt]

it just ruins it for honest gamers

[RennieB]

I understand the idea behind the additional token for everyone beyond 500, simply because if they didn't include some random factor of some kind, hundreds of people could have ended up with the exact same max amount.

Though the initial thought of "Those who take the questionnaire get less points than those who register their games" is valid. It's then punishing people who don't have the money to get the games in this tough economic time. Which is why it was likely kept an equal either/or.

Agreed that perhaps the URL link should have been capped at 500 MAX for the entire run of this auction, but maintain the +1 for every additional after that. To a max of 500 (for a total of 1000 points from the URL link). That way they could have still gotten the single point differences between amounts but to maintain the idea that any "exploiter" to somehow get 550 unique clicks can't further use their system/saturate the internet/****** off their friends from constant (click this) nagging.

Challenges could have been done in the forums to allow for easier (you won, here's your tokens) which apparently was/still is a problem. And also to better moderate the idea of "Just one" answer. Just one answer as opposed to as many as you like would have allowed for more creative (See what is supposed to be 60% of judging) answers rather than spam.

If they wanted the internet to catch hold to this and bring more traffic to the site (as i'm sure was the initial marketing point). Then the idea of it being a "Get your friends to join the community" could have been the way. Or a "Gather your party"/"Recruit your crew" type Dragon Age/Mass Effect spin. Granted, that would ultimately be exploited as well with people creating endless gmail/hotmail/yahoo accounts to sign up and overpopulating their server with rubbish but...

..well I guess it just means, no matter what was done there would always be an exploit and issues. Could things have been done differently? Of course, but this is how it's being done now and we're just going to have to make the most of it.

Like i've said elsewhere, the surge of "community" helping each other that's resulted from the so called "exploiters" is probably better than they initially hoped for in the first place. It's become a Paragon vs Renegade battle of the referral links. And ultimately, if Bioware just puts the majority of these items in the Marketplace (not the gunnar glasses or pc rigs mind you), then people regardless of how they feel after this, will ultimately buy the item they were going for.

Modifié par RennieB, 07 avril 2010 - 01:22 .

[Brumbek]

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I strongly believe the whole referral linking and sharing threads are ridiculous. Sure, they aren't as bad as the people who use non-related random people to click their links, but does anyone see the insincerity of this? This isn't true fan-ship or useful posting but craziness. Was it BioWare's true intention to have people get into a frenzy and constantly beg for everyone to click their link? It's all foolishness. And it makes everyone look extremely desperate.

I daresay this kind of activity is unbecoming of fans of such intellectual, engaging, and epic games that BioWare makes. Perhaps it's all some kind of psychological experiment in order to better understand humanity? Perhaps Cerberus is behind this 'Bizarre' system? Yes, that is what I choose to believe.

So again, I say the clear answer is to never, ever do any of this referral stuff. I don't find anything merit-worthy in someone working day and night to get everybody to copy/paste/click links nonstop. Of course, to those who have done so and won the big items, you may wish to check out the Google/Yahoo advertising work at home "businesses" (scams) that rely on the same type of strategy...anyway.

Modifié par Brumbek, 07 avril 2010 - 02:20 .

[WolfMark1374]

i have come to the conclusion. that this whole thing was not really something that was being done for the fans to show there appreciation and to celebrate 15 years of bioware. it was nothing more than an advertising scheme to get people to send out the link for bioware. this is sad. i had hoped to win something now i know i wont. which sucks. i put alot of effort into playing the challenges cause i figured that would be the edge in getting more points

[JackthePyscho]

What's worse is that this all has been going on for roughly 10 hours and no one from Bioware has picked up on what's really going on. Do the math for a second.



Quizzes you got to take multiple times +registering here on these forums+one Twitter win+dragon Age face thing+Register link= 5,000-6,000 token roughly. The people who didn't abouse referral links are like me and have ~5500 tokens. I mean, there's no good ****ing about it since no one is goingto do anything. I am just hoping that all of these people with 10,000+ expend all their resources before the end of the week. If I can just get one t-shirt, I'll be happy.

[WolfMark1374]

i agree if i could just win a tshirt or poster at this point it would make my day.

[Vardel]

JackthePyscho wrote...

What's worse is that this all has been going on for roughly 10 hours and no one from Bioware has picked up on what's really going on. Do the math for a second.

Quizzes you got to take multiple times +registering here on these forums+one Twitter win+dragon Age face thing+Register link= 5,000-6,000 token roughly. The people who didn't abouse referral links are like me and have ~5500 tokens. I mean, there's no good ****ing about it since no one is goingto do anything. I am just hoping that all of these people with 10,000+ expend all their resources before the end of the week. If I can just get one t-shirt, I'll be happy.

What do you expect BioWare to do at this point? They made a couple mistakes this time and when they do similar auctions for other parts of the world, they may not make those mistakes again. Sucks for us in the USA who had to be the trial, but hopefully BioWare at least attempts to fix any future BioWare Bazaar type events they do.

Like I mentioned before, tokens should be one use, win or loss. If one lost their tokens every time they bid even if they lost, everyone would have to bid smarter and everyone would get a better chance.

[WolfMark1374]

well i think bioware could realize that this thing is wrong and some people got there points by spamming or cheating in some way and pause it while they fix the issue

[JackthePyscho]

Vardel wrote...

What do you expect BioWare to do at this point? They made a couple mistakes this time and when they do similar auctions for other parts of the world, they may not make those mistakes again. Sucks for us in the USA who had to be the trial, but hopefully BioWare at least attempts to fix any future BioWare Bazaar type events they do.

Like I mentioned before, tokens should be one use, win or loss. If one lost their tokens every time they bid even if they lost, everyone would have to bid smarter and everyone would get a better chance.

I'm not really suggestiong BioWare should do anything at this point really. I mean, all we are doing is ****ing about how we think the system is unfair and so forth. I know they probably won't stop the auctions. I guess at this point, some recognition at the fact that "Opps, we made a mistake. Sorry." we be suitable.

[WolfMark1374]

ya i guess an apology would be nice. and maybe a promise to make sure and do the next one right. course i doubt there will be one for many years to come. i mean this was to celebrate 15 years of bioware. course from the way some people are very pissed in earlier posts this may cost bioware many loyal customers

[Vardel]

JackthePyscho wrote...

Vardel wrote...

What do you expect BioWare to do at this point? They made a couple mistakes this time and when they do similar auctions for other parts of the world, they may not make those mistakes again. Sucks for us in the USA who had to be the trial, but hopefully BioWare at least attempts to fix any future BioWare Bazaar type events they do.

Like I mentioned before, tokens should be one use, win or loss. If one lost their tokens every time they bid even if they lost, everyone would have to bid smarter and everyone would get a better chance.

I'm not really suggestiong BioWare should do anything at this point really. I mean, all we are doing is ****ing about how we think the system is unfair and so forth. I know they probably won't stop the auctions. I guess at this point, some recognition at the fact that "Opps, we made a mistake. Sorry." we be suitable.

True. And apology, or at least an acknowledgement would be nice.