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[MinsQQ]

I don't understand... Having been a fan of Bioware since BG1 and played all their titles several times, I'm at a loss for words for the horrible gear itemization for a DPS warrior.

Basically, Minsc is my favorite NPC of all time. All the games I play, I'm Minsc. Was Minsc for 4 years on WoW, Minsc for DAO, Minsc on ME1 and 2, Minsc for everything!

So here I am at level 29 (not finished the game mind you) and all of my NPC's are geared to the kilt with new tier 8/9 stuff but my MAIN guy is still sporting 80% of the gear when I imported him at level 21!!! I mean come on Bioware! I know it's just artifical pixles and all, but I'd presume most people would get more satisfaction in gearing out their main as opposed to the party NPC's.

The reason for this post is I finally made Vigilance and noticed how poor everything else was on me! There is tons of stuff for a Tank. Hell, Justice is geared to the teeth in that short Blackmarsh run. He even has tons of options/combinations from my inventory list depending on the fight calls for  (i.e. magic resistance, avoidance, stam regen etc.) But I have yet to see something good (heavy plate wise) for a DPS warrior.

For God's sakes I'm still sporting a TIER 2 helmet (Helm of the Honnleath) cause it has +2 all attributes! Gloves of the Legion +4 Attack, Wade's superior plate boots +10% FR and +.5 stam regen!!! (no offensive stats but I haven't found anything that wasn't defensive related) and the list goes on.

Has anyone else noticed this or I'm I just QQing all over the place?

P.S. Outside of some strange bugs that really should have been caught by QC, the game is quite good.

P.P.S. Notwithstanding the above, the game is so easy that my toons could be in their PJ's and win. I 1 shot the dragon in Blackmarsh with no potions... That should *never* happen in any game.

Modifié par MinsQQ, 07 avril 2010 - 05:31 .

[UrsulaCousland]

Wow...I didn't notice this at *all*. My DW DPS warrior was an unstoppable machine of AE death. I did pass on most of the massive armor sets (in fact, I was somewhat disappointed that Wade's Superior Dragonscale worked out to be best for most if not all of Awakenings - Stormchaser is nice but since it's Massive I gave it to a more tanky character instead).

I do as much or more DPS than the DW duelist/assassin rogue characters I have seem to, without needing to flank and while being able to take a hit or two. Combine that with Champion (all of these abilities are good) and Templar (Holy Smite, anyone?) and I felt the warrior had a VERY easy time of it.

*Edit: Disclaimer: I play on the 360, so I may be dex-bugged. I'm not 100% sure, though, and I'm also not the best at Flanking, at least not in DA:O, since I haven't imported a rogue yet.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 06 avril 2010 - 10:35 .

[taine]

Actually, Bioware hates you personally. There's really tons of great equipment for Warriors in the game, but they crept into your house at night and ninja-reprogrammed your game.



Also, what the heck is QQing? I must be behind the times.

I 1 shot the dragon in Blackmarsh with no potions...

One-shot? No you didn't. Unless you mean beating it in one try, then ok. Awakening is just really easy in general.

[MinsQQ]

UrsulaCousland: Yes, I do rip through the game with my DPS warrior as my P.P.S. comment stated at the end. I am just wondering if there was gear specific upgrades for a DPS warrior (obviously not that it's necessary).



Taine: 1. Thanks for that constructive reply. 2. QQing basically means "just complaining". Literal translation is the picture of 2 thumbs down "qq"... but capital QQ means even bigger complaining/whining. 3. yes, 1 shot means 1 attempt... It should still never happen in my opinion.

[Daeion]

I have a lvl 30 tank warrior and I'm still running around in Calin's armor.

[MinsQQ]

I take it you haven't been to Blackmarsh yet? full set available there!

[Suron]

you're doing it wrong. this toon is decked out and a DW warrior...she's a virtual beast....only a rogue can out DPS her and that's only IF they're backstabbing with equal gear.



you're doing it wrong. <- needs said again.

[Caldarin V]

Armor of Vigilance is possibly the coolest looking set ever...

[Basher of Glory]

MinsQQ wrote...

I take it you haven't been to Blackmarsh yet? full set available there!

How should he be able to report about Justice and all of the gear options for this NPC, if he wouldn't have been there, man?

@ OP
If I understood correctly, you don't complain about DPS of your warrior or your gear in generally, but about the fact, that there is no tailor made stuff for him, right?

If so, I agree. I, too, had a 2WF-warrior, but she ended up equally equipped as my rogue of another run through the game. There are tons of light, heavy and massive armours, but not a single medium one. Thus, Wade's excellent drakeskin armour could remain the "best" for a high DEX 2WF warrior.

Of course I realized, that with high enough DEX she didn't need any armour at all, so I dressed her with some mage stuff for most of the time, because it looked cool.


Not a game breaking issue, but they really seem to have missed to put in some good medium gear.

Modifié par Baher of Glory, 07 avril 2010 - 04:30 .

[Hulk Hsieh]

I think with the correct 4 pieces of armor you can get +20 Str and 42 Armor.

Not too shabby for a warrior.

[MinsQQ]

Suron: If by "I'm doing it wrong" you are implying I don't want to play a DW warrior as opposed to roll play Minsc from the original Bioware Baldur's Gate series... an all strength Bezerker Ranger (warrior really) with a fat 2Hander? Then yes, I guess I'm doing it all wrong. Too bad for that entire talent tree dedicated for 2H weapons.

Caldarin V: "Armor of Vigilance" ??

Baher: I don't understand your first question... but regardless,  you fail to see my point. Can someone tell me the same thing about a full heavy/massive DPS set out there?? like "hey Minsc, I guess you haven't been to XYZ, cause there is a full set there". Also, you also are confusing playing a 2H warrior with a DW warrior so I have changed my title since it wasn't specific enough. I don't need/want dexterity. My talent tree does not need or require it. I need tons of strength, good dose of willpower and some constitution. I have yet to see a good set that is not filled with Tank based stats.

Hulk: I'd like some examples please: Helmet, Gloves, Chest, Boots.... ? (spoilers welcome) For example, I just got the Camshell Plate Armor chest piece. That's a great BP and it does have +8 strength... but it also has +6 defense, chance to avoid missile attacks and +25 physical resistance. That BP is clearly suited for a Tank. my complaint is that they don't have itemized gear for my talent tree. Like +8 strength, +6 willpower, +10% Critical/Backstab damage and - 5% fatigue. Everything I found so far is overwhelmingly Tank based... and/or is based on a DW warrior or rogue.

Anyways, like I said before, the game is so easy I could go out in a robe and still win so it's not like I need that gear. I just wish there was some of it.

Modifié par MinsQQ, 07 avril 2010 - 06:05 .

[errant_knight]

Yeah, until you changed your title, most people didn't know you were talking about a 2H warrior. I know I didn't. I'm probably not the only one who has no idea who Minsc might be or what that might mean, either.

[OneBadAssMother]

My first playthrough was with a 2H warrior, I sucked. Then my wife after a few playthroughs decided to try it, using a human noble after I told her she could be a queen in the game. Comparing the character with her first (a DW rogue - which was simply overpowered), 2H warriors can never match the DPS, but if you know how to use them right, they can be serious powerhouses.

Her build I found to be much better then a WS warrior and are just as effective as a tank in most cases yet can deal out serious damage as well. She was a Champion/Berserker with main points in STR and occassionally willpower though by the end of the game it may seem like a waste - since they fixed the Deathblow talent for your stamina issues.

For tanking abilities, you still can taunt, and for crowd control you have both 2-handed sweep and Warcry. Cycling through these you will never have problems staying alive. You don't really need much constitution or dex, high strength will allow for the best armor if you like that sort of thing. Personally medium armor - scale armor was what my wife used and she had no problems with it - mainly due to the CC abilities of her character. Actually it was Zarathorn's scale + boots/gloves of diligence... so semi-scale heh.
For DPS abilities, sunder arms/armor are incredibly effective. I couldn't even believe I played through the game and never noticed the 2-hits instead of 1 thing - wifey was more observant. Not to mention 2-handed sweep as well. Mighty blow/Critical strike however, they just eat up too big a chunk of your stamina - and 2H warriors are stamina based.

Just some hints, personally there are a lot of advantages for 2handers that people first don't realise. DWs are still high in DPS, but lack CC/tanking abilities that 2H warriors have in addition to decent (not the best but decent) DPS. Many have soloed the game in this class.

Modifié par OneBadAssMother, 07 avril 2010 - 07:18 .

[Basher of Glory]

Hehe, I know Minsc, of course! But I played him as a ranger: Dualwielding a long sword and a short sword in his offhand.
The first thing I did when I found him and his witch in BG 1 was, to sell his Greatsword.

So, I didn't miss the point, I just thought the way I played Minsc was the way he SHOULD be played.
.. a bit arrogant to think this way, I admit...

Modifié par Baher of Glory, 07 avril 2010 - 07:24 .

[OneBadAssMother]

^ Not really the way he's meant to be played in my opinion however heh..



Encounter with Firkraag, Minsc: "Let us come back with BIGGER SWORDS" xD

But yeah, he was my favourite character too. Still miss good o' Minsc. I was quite delighted to have a hamster in ME2 lol.

[Hulk Hsieh]

Golem armor gives 8 Str
Boots of Sentinel gives 8 Str.
Hirol gloves 4 Str.
The Tier 2 helm you are using gives another 2 Str.

That is 22 STR in total, and they add up to 42 Armor.

Modifié par Hulk Hsieh, 07 avril 2010 - 07:45 .

[Daeion]

MinsQQ wrote...

I take it you haven't been to Blackmarsh yet? full set available there!

Oh I've been there, was more just pointing out that it's not all about the gear, I just haven't felt a need to upgrade my armor.  Arms and jewelry are different things.

[Wishpig]

Baher of Glory wrote...

Hehe, I know Minsc, of course! But I played him as a ranger: Dualwielding a long sword and a short sword in his offhand.
The first thing I did when I found him and his witch in BG 1 was, to sell his Greatsword.

So, I didn't miss the point, I just thought the way I played Minsc was the way he SHOULD be played.
.. a bit arrogant to think this way, I admit...

Ya... Korgan was a FAR better warrior and tank (not to mention a far better character! *MinsQQ goes for the eyes, and leaves Wishpig a blind fool*)

I had much better luck with playing Minsc as a ranger, a versitle archer/warrior build.

But I'm drifting WAY off topic...

PS- I gotta say I love the username MinsQQ! Clever!

Modifié par Wishpig, 07 avril 2010 - 01:23 .

[MinsQQ]

Baher: Minsc was always intended on being played 2H. There are so many references to this I would be critting you with a wall of text on the subject. Basically, his massive 18/93 strength as opposed to 16 dexterity (old D&D 2nd edition rules), his game dialogue, the fact that he starts off with a 2Her, and probably the most compelling argument (to eliminate doubt) is the GameSpy interview a long time ago with "Minsc". Minsc's responses were given by a Bioware writer at the time. One of the questions I believe was favorite type of weapon in which he only mentions 2H weapons like the Lilarcor and Crom Faeyr that's suited for his style.

P.S. on another note, I truly enjoy your views and thoughts on the 9 page "angry forums" post when Bioware decided to poke their nose in the thread. Well writen and well explained. I too have been playing PC games for a looonnng time (1982 Wizardry I on the Apple II+) and can safely say that this game, although I am enjoying it, is *full* of bugs that any amount of semi-QC would have seen early on... They really dropped the ball on this one. And as  for your quote:

So, that's your way to answer:
1) ..." so be it."
2) ..." I'm
not responsible."
3) ..." I go now."


That's exactly how I read the situation as well.

Modifié par MinsQQ, 07 avril 2010 - 02:36 .

[Psychoray]

Meh, mages get even worse gear, at level 30 I was still running around in Origins gear, except for a new staff.

[MinsQQ]

I dunno dude, I'm touring with both Anders and Velanna and they are both geared to the kilt with Tier 8/9 armor, although they do both have crappy dex and/or defense boots. I can give you my list of gear on both if you'd like.

[Basher of Glory]

MinsQQ wrote...

Baher: Minsc was always intended on being played 2H. There are so many references to this I would be critting you with a wall of text on the subject. Basically, his massive 18/93 strength as opposed to 16 dexterity (old D&D 2nd edition rules), his game dialogue, the fact that he starts off with a 2Her, and probably the most compelling argument (to eliminate doubt) is the GameSpy interview a long time ago with "Minsc". Minsc's responses were given by a Bioware writer at the time. One of the questions I believe was favorite type of weapon in which he only mentions 2H weapons like the Lilarcor and Crom Faeyr that's suited for his style.

P.S. on another note, I truly enjoy your views and thoughts on the 9 page "angry forums" post when Bioware decided to poke their nose in the thread. Well writen and well explained. I too have been playing PC games for a looonnng time (1982 Wizardry I on the Apple II+) and can safely say that this game, although I am enjoying it, is *full* of bugs that any amount of semi-QC would have seen early on... They really dropped the ball on this one. And as  for your quote:

So, that's your way to answer:
1) ..." so be it."
2) ..." I'm
not responsible."
3) ..." I go now."


That's exactly how I read the situation as well.

Yeah. I know about Minsc's preferences. Man, I tried to educate him... although with no avail

I still remember his final words before the fight against Irenicus, which was something like "...how many times do I have to kill you? I've got enough of it..."
Epic NPC, really.

Thanks for your feedback on my posts, btw!

[oyzar]

The gear is not built for pure DPS. Armor is supposed to protect not help you attack. Also word on the street is that you don't actually need any gear to beat awakening. I know people enjoy tooling out their characters with cool new gear, but obviously bioware did not take that into consideration... The helm is from a DLC which obviously gives way overpowered gear.



As an aside, how come he is so dark? I remember him as more bronze.

[MinsQQ]

oyzar wrote...

The gear is not built for pure DPS. Armor is supposed to protect not help you attack. Also word on the street is that you don't actually need any gear to beat awakening. I know people enjoy tooling out their characters with cool new gear, but obviously bioware did not take that into consideration... The helm is from a DLC which obviously gives way overpowered gear.

As an aside, how come he is so dark? I remember him as more bronze.

If gear is not built for pure DPS as you put it, then why can it can have the following stats: + strength, + attack, + critical chance, + armor penetration, +critical/backstab damage, in fact, a lot of the "rogue gear" seems to have a lot of those stats with strength being replaced by dexterity... so why in your opinion do they get it but a 2H warrior doesn't have the same opportunity to get gear suited for that playstyle?

All I see in Heavy/Massive gear is predominately: + constitution, + defense, + (some kind of) resistance, + health/stamina regeneration in combat, + armor, oh yeah... and + strength <_<


Do you see where I'm getting at here? If you want to play the roll of a Tank, you've got plenty to choose from, if you want to play a 2H warrior, your relegated to defensive gear (dunno why I need it, the tank takes all the hate/aggro) or I must mix and match light armor meant for rogues that don't have that specific class restriction on the item and I have to take dex (which I don't need) instead of strength.

But like you said, you can faceroll your keyboard for the win in this game...it was a matter of principle, not that it was preventing me from advancing.


Oh, and as for your last question, I assume you are referring to my toon vis-a--vis the real Minsc. Yes I completely agree, but that was the closest I could get it to with what I was given. Funnily enough, my toon in WoW looked a lot more like Minsc with very limited customization options as compared to DA...

Modifié par MinsQQ, 07 avril 2010 - 07:41 .

[Psychoray]

MinsQQ wrote...

I dunno dude, I'm touring with both Anders and Velanna and they are both geared to the kilt with Tier 8/9 armor, although they do both have crappy dex and/or defense boots. I can give you my list of gear on both if you'd like.

I'd appreciate it