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[Syrellaris]

Mallissin wrote...

Sol Veracity wrote...

So, your main complaint is that you had more tokens taken from you than the amount earned through cheating?

Think of the "extra" lost tokens as a penalty.

They can't do that, against the law. Must be accurate punishments, complete disqualify (which isn't possible because Bioware gave you the means to do it) or cancel/restart the contest.

Otherwise it's discriminating.

People use the word  "Discriminating" way to often. The way it stands, this is there contest and the rules are the ones they create. The law does not meddle in the rules of a contest. So if they feeled like giving you an extra punishment over the taking away of the correct amount of tokens, they had all the right sto do so.


In my case, all the Image cheaters, would have been banned from the contest and there token totals completely erased, just to make it fair.

[Sol Veracity]

Mallissin wrote...

[They can't do that, against the law. Must be accurate punishments, complete disqualify (which isn't possible because Bioware gave you the means to do it) or cancel/restart the contest.

Otherwise it's discriminating.

1.  How are these inaccurate punishments?
2.  If you feel this type of discrimination is illegal, please show me the law that makes it so.
3.  Just because you might be able to rationalize something as illegal does not mean you're capable of recovering from it.

[Feraele]

Being that they stated at the time asked, that it was "sketchy" I personally would not have gone ahead and done it that way anyways. I would guess they were reviewing it before coming up with a definitive answer to the community.



And threads like these tend to close rather quickly so just be aware.

[Sol Veracity]

cynicalsaint1 wrote...

I'll point out, that we asked exactly what that law was, and it took two days for a response. World doesn't stop turning in the meantime.

But this argument has already happened once, I don't think there's a need to start it again, go dig up the old thread if you want.

I'm sure that if Bioware could have anticipated this type of willful and wanton abuse of URL referrals, they would have clearly prohibited the behavior.

Unfortunately, not every Bioware employee drives a Delorean or owns a crystal ball.

[Mad Method]

Dark Lilith wrote...

how does Chris tell a good point from one obtained illicitly.Take it as a lesson learned,cheaters never win and winners never cheat!

Good grief, read my previous post, woman.

I presume what you actually mean is "Next time you find a trick that makes the process more convenient - instead of being polite and generous by sharing it with the community to give everyone a fair chance and asking the staff if it's alright or not - if you just quietly use it, you will get away with it." I would probably have won this contest too if I actually did that. That is another layer that has me annoyed by all of this: It was generosity and propriety in this matter that got me screwed.

A "punishment" as you louts seem to be asserting I deserved would be acceptable if I had actually been nefarious in these matters. (Again, had I been so, I would have won the contest and gotten away with this.) Instead, I actually did my best to make sure it was alright and do it in an acceptable way. But I suppose this point won't really come across as your willingness to indict is based on schadenfreude and justifications.

I agree with cynicalsaint1 that Bioware's silence on this matter is also bothersome.

Modifié par Mad Method, 07 avril 2010 - 12:20 .

[cynicalsaint1]

I'm certain it will, and its really kind of pointless to discuss. They can do whatever they want as punishment, their contest, and their rules. Nothing we say is going to change that. Best you can do is take it up with Chris directly.



I wouldn't expect much though.

[Syrellaris]

Mad Method wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

how does Chris tell a good point from one obtained illicitly.Take it as a lesson learned,cheaters never win and winners never cheat!

Good grief, read my previous post, woman.

I presume what you actually mean is "Next time you find a trick that makes the process more convenient - instead of being polite and generous by sharing it with the community to give everyone a fair chance and asking the staff if it's alright or not - if you just quietly use it, you will get away with it." I would probably have won this contest too if I actually did that. That is another layer that has me annoyed by all of this: It was generosity and propriety in this matter that got me screwed.

A "punishment" as you louts seem to be asserting I deserved would be acceptable if I had actually been nefarious in these matters. (Again, had I been so, I would have won the contest and gotten away with this.) Instead, I actually did my best to make sure it was alright and do it in an acceptable way.

I agree with cynicalsaint1 that Bioware's silence on this matter is also bothersome.

you are aware that when someone visits something and it gets redirected to a link by viewing an image, without clicking on it, is already a nefarious?  Bioware has stated that the token referall link has to be "CLICKED"  upon. not automatically redirected.

You broke the rules, get over it.

[bulldog2012]

This makes Bioware look bad...





so obviously, your wrong.



Ever wonder why they put the "we can change the rules anytime, sucks bro" clause in the contest rules? Well now you know.

[Dark Lilith]

Mad Method wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

how does Chris tell a good point from one obtained illicitly.Take it as a lesson learned,cheaters never win and winners never cheat!

Good grief, read my last post, woman.

I presume what you actually mean is "Next time you find a trick that makes the process more convenient - instead of being polite and generous by sharing it with the community to give everyone a fair chance and asking the staff if it's alright or not - if you just quietly use it, you will get away with it." I would probably have won this contest too if I actually did that. That is another layer that has me annoyed by all of this: It was generosity and propriety in this matter that got me screwed.

A "punishment" as you louts seem to be asserting I deserved would only be acceptable if I had actually been nefarious in these matters. (Again, had I been so, I would have won the contest and gotten away with this.) Instead, I actually did my best to make sure it was alright and do it in an acceptable way.

I agree with cynicalsaint1 that Bioware's silence on this matter is also bothersome.

read it thoroughly and as I said life is tough,you don't always win,you don't always get what you want but using the "F" word to start a topic kinda shows more the real you than your complaint at being "cheated" even though you cheated!

[Sol Veracity]

It appears that you are experiencing some difficulty coping with the situation. Allow me to sum up the situation thus far in proper clarity.



-You abused the referral system.

-You were docked illgotten gains from said abuse and a little more.

-You decided to complain about the "unjust" treatment of cheaters by Bioware.



Too bad.

[bulldog2012]

Syrellaris wrote...

Mad Method wrote...

Dark Lilith wrote...

how does Chris tell a good point from one obtained illicitly.Take it as a lesson learned,cheaters never win and winners never cheat!

Good grief, read my previous post, woman.

I presume what you actually mean is "Next time you find a trick that makes the process more convenient - instead of being polite and generous by sharing it with the community to give everyone a fair chance and asking the staff if it's alright or not - if you just quietly use it, you will get away with it." I would probably have won this contest too if I actually did that. That is another layer that has me annoyed by all of this: It was generosity and propriety in this matter that got me screwed.

A "punishment" as you louts seem to be asserting I deserved would be acceptable if I had actually been nefarious in these matters. (Again, had I been so, I would have won the contest and gotten away with this.) Instead, I actually did my best to make sure it was alright and do it in an acceptable way.

I agree with cynicalsaint1 that Bioware's silence on this matter is also bothersome.

you are aware that when someone visits something and it gets redirected to a link by viewing an image, without clicking on it, is already a nefarious?  Bioware has stated that the token referall link has to be "CLICKED"  upon. not automatically redirected.

You broke the rules, get over it.

we are getting into symantics, but technically, people click the page which "nefariously" loads the img link. So I mean, people are clicking. Just not in the right spot.

[WetbiscuitMcGee]

It could be worse.  You could be dead. 


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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 07 avril 2010 - 01:28 .

[Mallissin]

Sol Veracity wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

[They can't do that, against the law. Must be accurate punishments, complete disqualify (which isn't possible because Bioware gave you the means to do it) or cancel/restart the contest.

Otherwise it's discriminating.

1.  How are these inaccurate punishments?
2.  If you feel this type of discrimination is illegal, please show me the law that makes it so.
3.  Just because you might be able to rationalize something as illegal does not mean you're capable of recovering from it.

1. They are not removing only the clicks gained by the IMG method.
2. Skill Contests as defined by state and federal laws require that no contestant may be excluded or handicapped if the contest is open to all. No one using the IMG method "tampered" with anything on Bioware's contest system. If anything, it "tampered" with people's web browsers.
3. Recovering what? It's a contest.

If the method is against the rules to be considered "tampering", even though it used freely available options on Bioware's website to make it work, they must remove only the tokens gained by it's use and no more.

In most cases, the amounts removed were purely arbitrary numbers without any basis. As I mentioned in my thread, I took the extra step to record my unique clicks using a PHP script on my website. So I know exactly how many were gained by the several methods I used (mostly begging).

If they decided to remove MORE from certain people in spite, then that would be discrimination. All contestants should be treated equally.

[Feraele]

bulldog2012 wrote...

This makes Bioware look bad...


so obviously, your wrong.

Ever wonder why they put the "we can change the rules anytime, sucks bro" clause in the contest rules? Well now you know.

So a certain number of people went ahead and used this "SKETCHY" quote unquote method of gleaning tokens off unsuspecting thread posters/readers....now they have their tokens taken away for basically cheating..not all tokens just some....and now that makes Bioware look bad?

What about the people who were basically cheating..they have nothing to do with it?  Innocent as pure-driven snow?  

Come on now.  

I think you should count your lucky stars that you can still participate.   There are many others who get to sit and watch all this and have been excluded from the get-go.

[Syrellaris]

Mallissin wrote...

Sol Veracity wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

[They can't do that, against the law. Must be accurate punishments, complete disqualify (which isn't possible because Bioware gave you the means to do it) or cancel/restart the contest.

Otherwise it's discriminating.

1.  How are these inaccurate punishments?
2.  If you feel this type of discrimination is illegal, please show me the law that makes it so.
3.  Just because you might be able to rationalize something as illegal does not mean you're capable of recovering from it.

1. They are not removing only the clicks gained by the IMG method.
2. Skill Contests as defined by state and federal laws require that no contestant may be excluded or handicapped if the contest is open to all. No one using the IMG method "tampered" with anything on Bioware's contest system. If anything, it "tampered" with people's web browsers.
3. Recovering what? It's a contest.

If the method is against the rules to be considered "tampering", even though it used freely available options on Bioware's website to make it work, they must remove only the tokens gained by it's use and no more.

In most cases, the amounts removed were purely arbitrary numbers without any basis. As I mentioned in my thread, I took the extra step to record my unique clicks using a PHP script on my website. So I know exactly how many were gained by the several methods I used (mostly begging).

If they decided to remove MORE from certain people in spite, then that would be discrimination. All contestants should be treated equally.

Again. There contest. There Rules.
If they felt like removing extra tokens from you, they had the right!

[Mallissin]

Syrellaris wrote...
Again. There contest. There Rules.
If they felt like removing extra tokens from you, they had the right!

Not according to my state's laws.

[Mallissin]

Feraele wrote...
What about the people who were basically cheating..they have nothing to do with it?  Innocent as pure-driven snow?  

Is it fair that one method of "cheating" gets singled out when two others run rampant? Why aren't the pyramid scheme threads stopped? Why don't they have proxy and Tor IPs blocked?

[My Password is Banana]

I agree with Mallissin's state's rules... and I'm pretty sure America's rules also

[Demx]

Removing only the points that were gained by certain methods won't teach people the lesson Bioware is trying to enforce. How many points that are removed will depend on the one who is enforcing the punishment.

[Borothir]

Yes, I think the auction by itself is a sick joke.

[Feraele]

Mallissin wrote...

Feraele wrote...
What about the people who were basically cheating..they have nothing to do with it?  Innocent as pure-driven snow?  

Is it fair that one method of "cheating" gets singled out when two others run rampant? Why aren't the pyramid scheme threads stopped? Why don't they have proxy and Tor IPs blocked?

I wouldn't know..see I'm not as lucky as you, I don't get to participate.   I'm Canadian.  I was excluded.

So..like I stated before,   count yourself lucky you are still in the race.  Many, many others didn't even get to the starting gate.

Besides..this is Bioware, Ea's site...the tokens are free..the prizes are basically free,  no purchase necessary to participate.

So what you lost was some pixilated tokens, that you can't put in your pocket.   They are monetarily invalid, you cant trade them..they are worth nothing except for bidding in Bioware's auction..thats it.

[Mallissin]

Siradix wrote...

Removing only the points that were gained by certain methods won't teach people the lesson Bioware is trying to enforce. How many points that are removed will depend on the one who is enforcing the punishment.

If you're trying to say Bioware is punishing certain contestants more than others because they want to "teach people a lesson", they're breaking one of my state's laws and I believe two federal.

[Dark Lilith]

Feraele wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

Feraele wrote...
What about the people who were basically cheating..they have nothing to do with it?  Innocent as pure-driven snow?  

Is it fair that one method of "cheating" gets singled out when two others run rampant? Why aren't the pyramid scheme threads stopped? Why don't they have proxy and Tor IPs blocked?

I wouldn't know..see I'm not as lucky as you, I don't get to participate.   I'm Canadian.  I was excluded.

So..like I stated before,   count yourself lucky you are still in the race.  Many, many others didn't even get to the starting gate.

Besides..this is Bioware, Ea's site...the tokens are free..the prizes are basically free,  no purchase necessary to participate.

So what you lost was some pixilated tokens, that you can't put in your pocket.   They are monetarily invalid, you cant trade them..they are worth nothing except for bidding in Bioware's auction..thats it.

how true,he got them for nothing ergo he lost nothing by them being taken away and yet protests over the fact that while he cheated it was only a tiny cheat about something free which he never had in the first place!

[My Password is Banana]

In Soviet Russia... Auction cheats you!!!

Modifié par My Password is Banana, 07 avril 2010 - 12:41 .