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MrBoomba wrote...

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MrBoomba wrote...

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but I kinda agree with how it is in DA:O due to the fact that during
the medival times, which you assume this takes place in, sex wasnt
looked on as wrong as youd think and Romance was actually not as common.


Well, the ideas of love and romance at least was incredibly strong and popular during the early middle ages and even long before that, look at the center theme of a lot of the Roman and Greek tales (Helen as an example, depending on which version you look at). Exactly how the idea of romance translated into reality I'm not positive, marriage was mostly political for all classes throughout the middle ages and the various Renaissance and revolutionary eras, though there are tons of memories and stories which discuss their true loves outside of said marriages.

Not among the knights of the time which you are technically playing as, the whole "Knight in shining armor" were just fairytales created during the 1700's to create a sense of justice and happy ending to help stimulate good hope during the riots and repressive nature of the time.


Eh? Those fairy tales and ideas have been around forvever. The various Arthurian Legends that originated in the late 11th or early 12th century such as Lancelot and Guinevere (12th century) or Tristan and Iseult (12th century), and about a dozen more stories that splintered from the folklore during the 13th-14th centuries. We can go back to Rome and Greece and look up tales similar in nature. Again though, it's reflection on the real world I'm not sure. Dante Alighieri would be the most famous example, I have a few books which contain nothing but translated memoirs from people in the era that show the notions of love and romance being prominent, one from a land owning knight in Champagne. But yeah, not sure where you're learning medieval history and culture but you may want to pick up a new source.

What the :wub: in conquered sex lord trevas?


Im not talking of greece and italy when basing off these observations, currently im in a fairytales class and im doing a paper on certain russian archetypes. The difference between the italian and german/russian culter is very vast and influences the whole romance factor. I personally have been speaking of this game being in the german/russian culture not of the italian/greece. perhaps this is were our facts differ? From these fairytales you can depict how the culture was in the time and im fairly certain german/russian culture wasnt big on romance, but instead more rushed romance than anything.


The whole point of fairytales was to socialize people to accept forced marriage and quick romances, and provide a framework for falling in love after marriage.  Disobedience and immorality for your social class was punished; however, there were different expectations of obedience and morality for every social class.  A princess was expected to be pure and stay faithful to her husband; a prince was expected to not get caught boinking the maids.  A maid was expected to submit to her lord's wishes, and her husband was expected to be pragmatic about it, and to accept that he would have a healthy, odd-looking child in his family but at least they would be well taken care of.

Someone up there is mixing up Romantic literature with fairytales, by the way.  Two totally different genres.  Not the same things at all.

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Im not talking of greece and italy when basing off these
observations, currently im in a fairytales class and im doing a paper
on certain russian archetypes. The difference between the italian and
german/russian culter is very vast and influences the whole romance
factor. I personally have been speaking of this game being in the
german/russian culture not of the italian/greece. perhaps this is were
our facts differ? From these fairytales you can depict how the culture
was in the time and im fairly certain german/russian culture wasnt big
on romance, but instead more rushed romance than anything.


Oh no doubt it's where our facts differ, culture in Western Europe was different than say the cultures in the Novgorod, Pskov, the Balkans and Baltics, which really I'm not all that familiar with, though the many Germanic nations were quite big on it as well, minniesängers (Love poets) were extremely popular and famous during the 9th-12th centuries. But yeah, I assumed we were on the same page but looks like we weren't, sorry about that. ;)

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My answer is showing sex in a video game is not necassary to show romance in a video game.

I wouldn't care if its just insinuated or even if there is no reference at all to it if you really feel that the characters love each other through dialogue and what not.

There are plenty of good romantic movies that don't show sex.

Modifié par Schurge, 09 avril 2010 - 06:23 .


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Daewan wrote...

The whole point of fairytales was to socialize people to accept forced marriage and quick romances, and provide a framework for falling in love after marriage.  Disobedience and immorality for your social class was punished; however, there were different expectations of obedience and morality for every social class.  A princess was expected to be pure and stay faithful to her husband; a prince was expected to not get caught boinking the maids.  A maid was expected to submit to her lord's wishes, and her husband was expected to be pragmatic about it, and to accept that he would have a healthy, odd-looking child in his family but at least they would be well taken care of.

Someone up there is mixing up Romantic literature with fairytales, by the way.  Two totally different genres.  Not the same things at all.


I'm pretty sure in the class im taking currently, we are using fairytales to depic the culture of the nation it was created and how it affects the archetypes and how it may affect the politics of the tale. (Politics as in the obvious politics, and just how the relationships of the time worked out) Yes you can tell how relationships of the time may have gone on during the time based on fairytales.

It is not widely known, but fairytales can be analysed to the point where you can figure out everything about the culture and just how it was during that time period and phycologics often analyze it in order to find out history of the region in order to match it up and make sure the facts they have are correct.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.

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Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?

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lordtrevas wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?


They are also consensual. Conquering tends to mean there's a loser no? One night stands both parties win. :whistle:

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Ryzaki wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?


They are also consensual. Conquering tends to mean there's a loser no? One night stands both parties win. :whistle:

Bondage comes to mind when I hear the word "conquered"... just saying...

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MrBoomba wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?


They are also consensual. Conquering tends to mean there's a loser no? One night stands both parties win. Posted Image

Bondage comes to mind when I hear the word "conquered"... just saying...


lol bondage...Nah, I meant conquer as in guy "conquers" girl (usually not all that interested in him) and has a good night with her

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lordtrevas wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?


WTF are you talking about? Clearly, you're an idiot.

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lordtrevas wrote...

MrBoomba wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?


They are also consensual. Conquering tends to mean there's a loser no? One night stands both parties win. Posted Image

Bondage comes to mind when I hear the word "conquered"... just saying...


lol bondage...Nah, I meant conquer as in guy "conquers" girl (usually not all that interested in him) and has a good night with he


More like SHE is not all that interested you, I'm sure.

Modifié par Bratt1204, 09 avril 2010 - 11:27 .


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[quote]Bratt1204 wrote...

[quote]lordtrevas wrote...

[quote]MrBoomba wrote...

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

[quote]lordtrevas wrote...

[quote]Bratt1204 wrote...

[quote]AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?[/quote]

I know, seriously.
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clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?[/quote]

They are also consensual. Conquering tends to mean there's a loser no? One night stands both parties win. Posted Image

[/quote]
Bondage comes to mind when I hear the word "conquered"... just saying...
[/quote]

lol bondage...Nah, I meant conquer as in guy "conquers" girl (usually not all that interested in him) and has a good night with her[/quote]

More like SHE is not all that interested you, I'm sure.[/quote]

Don't be so butthurt, it's not good for you

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MrBoomba wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?


They are also consensual. Conquering tends to mean there's a loser no? One night stands both parties win. :whistle:

Bondage comes to mind when I hear the word "conquered"... just saying...


Nothing wrong with a little BDSM <3

:innocent:

I'm a good girl. I promise.

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lordtrevas wrote...

MrBoomba wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?


They are also consensual. Conquering tends to mean there's a loser no? One night stands both parties win. Posted Image

Bondage comes to mind when I hear the word "conquered"... just saying...


lol bondage...Nah, I meant conquer as in guy "conquers" girl (usually not all that interested in him) and has a good night with her


...So you mean rape? :huh:

Because anything consensual would be mutually beneficial.

Unless of course the guy sucks at giving the girl pleasure which would be more like bad sex than conquered sex. :?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 avril 2010 - 11:34 .


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I can picture lordtrevas picking up  a chick at a bar or club. "Hey babe, come back to my place and I'll conquer you harder than Germany conquered France.'' Little piece of advice there, the ladies don't like it when you consider sleeping with them a "conquest".

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TheMadCat wrote...

I can picture lordtrevas picking up  a chick at a bar or club. "Hey babe, come back to my place and I'll conquer you harder than Germany conquered France.'' Little piece of advice there, the ladies don't like it when you consider sleeping with them a "conquest".


I'll take your word for it, since it seems like you have enough experience with what the ladies don't like.

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TheMadCat wrote...

I can picture lordtrevas picking up  a chick at a bar or club. "Hey babe, come back to my place and I'll conquer you harder than Germany conquered France.'' Little piece of advice there, the ladies don't like it when you consider sleeping with them a "conquest".


Clearly this shows his lack of confidence with women.

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Ryzaki wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

MrBoomba wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?


They are also consensual. Conquering tends to mean there's a loser no? One night stands both parties win. Posted Image

Bondage comes to mind when I hear the word "conquered"... just saying...


lol bondage...Nah, I meant conquer as in guy "conquers" girl (usually not all that interested in him) and has a good night with her


...So you mean rape? :huh:

Because anything consensual would be mutually beneficial.

Unless of course the guy sucks at giving the girl pleasure which would be more like bad sex than conquered sex. :?


:lol:

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[quote]Bratt1204 wrote...

...So you mean rape? :huh:

Because anything consensual would be mutually beneficial.

Unless of course the guy sucks at giving the girl pleasure which would be more like bad sex than conquered sex. :?

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:lol:
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I think this is my new sig.

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lordtrevas wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

I can picture lordtrevas picking up  a chick at a bar or club. "Hey babe, come back to my place and I'll conquer you harder than Germany conquered France.'' Little piece of advice there, the ladies don't like it when you consider sleeping with them a "conquest".


I'll take your word for it, since it seems like you have enough experience with what the ladies don't like.


See, this is the problem with kids today. You try to help them out or give them some advice and they come at you with a burn that I heard when I was 12. But hey, if that's how you need to feel to take my advice than think it dude. I'm just saying, if you go around acting like every woman you slept with is a conquest you're not going to have a very active sex life with any woman that has a shred of self esteem.

Or you could always just aim low, them hippos and crazies need some love too and I'm sure they'd let you plant your flag in their ground. ;)

Modifié par TheMadCat, 09 avril 2010 - 11:56 .


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TheMadCat wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

I can picture lordtrevas picking up  a chick at a bar or club. "Hey babe, come back to my place and I'll conquer you harder than Germany conquered France.'' Little piece of advice there, the ladies don't like it when you consider sleeping with them a "conquest".


I'll take your word for it, since it seems like you have enough experience with what the ladies don't like.


See, this is the problem with kids today. You try to help them out or give them some advice and they come at you with a burn that I heard when I was 12. But hey, if that's how you need to feel to take my advice than think it dude. I'm just saying, if you go around acting like every woman you slept with is a conquest you're not going to have a very active sex life with any woman that has a shred of self esteem.

Or you could always just aim low, them hippos need some love too.

A shred of self esteem... I'm not saying this to be against you, but remember the era we are living in now, MTV has take nover and lets face it. The majority of people out there are rather cocky, or skanky, i imagine the hippos are easier to get than them anerexic ones.

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TheMadCat wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

I can picture lordtrevas picking up  a chick at a bar or club. "Hey babe, come back to my place and I'll conquer you harder than Germany conquered France.'' Little piece of advice there, the ladies don't like it when you consider sleeping with them a "conquest".


I'll take your word for it, since it seems like you have enough experience with what the ladies don't like.


See, this is the problem with kids today. You try to help them out or give them some advice and they come at you with a burn that I heard when I was 12. But hey, if that's how you need to feel to take my advice than think it dude. I'm just saying, if you go around acting like every woman you slept with is a conquest you're not going to have a very active sex life with any woman that has a shred of self esteem.

Or you could always just aim low, them hippos and crazies need some love too and I'm sure they'd let you plant your flag in their ground. ;)


:lol::lol:

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Ryzaki wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

MrBoomba wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

lordtrevas wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conquered sex? Dude, does that crap actually work where you're from?


I know, seriously.


clearly you are not familiar with one night stands. You do know they exist, right?


They are also consensual. Conquering tends to mean there's a loser no? One night stands both parties win. Posted Image

Bondage comes to mind when I hear the word "conquered"... just saying...


lol bondage...Nah, I meant conquer as in guy "conquers" girl (usually not all that interested in him) and has a good night with her


...So you mean rape? :huh:

Because anything consensual would be mutually beneficial.

Unless of course the guy sucks at giving the girl pleasure which would be more like bad sex than conquered sex. :?



The sad truth about way to many teenage stories. The guy 'persuade' a girl by nagging/begging/bullying her until she half heartedly agrees leaving her felling raped and him imagining he is a stud. bleeh.

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It's called being a ****, just btw.