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[I_Love_Leliana]

Very nice screen shot, I love Sten with that white beard. How can people not want him as a romance option? I think someone needs to post a picture of Sten and Zevran sharing a tent... I am sure it's possible with all the mods out there... I think if anyone can handle Sten, it is Zevran... I would much like to see it... I think they make a cute couple...

[BlastedLands]

TheMadCat wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Well now, it's not as if the dead Warden runs around as a zombie or anything, MadCat.

Nope, that would be Justice I believe. Wynne to I suppose.

Wynne's not a Warden, she doesn't count.

Eh? What does being a Warden have to do with one being alive when they should be dead?

o.O oh, good point. Was reading that wrong. Sorry!

I thought you were referring to how in Awakening the warden who did the US is somehow...walking around.

Originally that was also one I was referring to, but Sabriana had to get all technical on me with the warden not being a literal walking corpse, so I citited a few others as examples. Lots of death defying going on in a land where it's supposed to be incredibly rare.

but that's more lazyness than storytelling, i feel.

[ejoslin]

Nonvita wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Well see how fun it is when you're villified for not providing an heir.

And why does an heir have to come from Alistair?  

Hahahaha, yes, there IS another ending to the whole Queen thing.  And you don't have to read between any lines!  It's completely spelled out and awesome and stuff!

[Bratt1204]

I_Love_Leliana wrote...

Very nice screen shot, I love Sten with that white beard. How can people not want him as a romance option? I think someone needs to post a picture of Sten and Zevran sharing a tent... I am sure it's possible with all the mods out there... I think if anyone can handle Sten, it is Zevran... I would much like to see it... I think they make a cute couple...

I actually tried to romance Sten when I played my 1st game, no luck though : ( They really should have made him a romance option, that would have been awesome.

[ejoslin]

Bratt1204 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Open your eyes ladies, Alistair was in it for the sex and nothing more. He is a Theirin (allegdely), after all.

Right, that's why he's married to my PC now? You cannot even get him into bed unless he is in 'love' with you - so that kind of blows that theory.

Actually, he only has to be at adore for the sex.  And only just out of hostile for the marriage.  

Edit: Which makes me wonder.  The Queen Cousland I had marry him at -25 neutral -- was Ali willing to even consummate the marriage?  Would my Queen cheat on her Love Interest by having sex with Ali if he were willing?

THIS is a fanfic just waiting to happen.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 11:37 .

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Well see how fun it is when you're villified for not providing an heir.

And why does an heir have to come from Alistair?  

Hahahaha, yes, there IS another ending to the whole Queen thing.  And you don't have to read between any lines!  It's completely spelled out and awesome and stuff!

You really think Ali isn't going to tell the Arl about your "experiments?" I love Ali but he's not exactly great at lying. Someone is bound to figure something out (unless you're telling me your PC is so special that she can have a baby (which is going to be difficult enough) with Zevran with no one other than Ali being the wiser?  

I'd be surprised if Anora still didn't have spies that were waiting for a moment of weakness to jump on like a hungry wolf. Cheating on the king, no matter who you are isn't going to go down well with the nobles. And someone is going to start a stink about that if only to make Ali look weak or to villify your PC.

There are so many ways of that going wrong that its not even funny.

Not to mention who knows if you can even succesfully have a child even with Zevran.

And is Ali truly incapable in a loveless marriage to take a mistress for himself? Does he need your PC to provide a child that isn't truly of his blood? Eamon will grab Ali's ear and as much as Ali is underneath Eamon's thumb you can be sure any child that gets the throne will be influenced by that.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 avril 2010 - 11:41 .

[I_Love_Leliana]

Bratt1204 wrote...

I_Love_Leliana wrote...

Very nice screen shot, I love Sten with that white beard. How can people not want him as a romance option? I think someone needs to post a picture of Sten and Zevran sharing a tent... I am sure it's possible with all the mods out there... I think if anyone can handle Sten, it is Zevran... I would much like to see it... I think they make a cute couple...

I actually tried to romance Sten when I played my 1st game, no luck though : ( They really should have made him a romance option, that would have been awesome.

Maybe there is a mod which enables us to get it on with Sten... I will not rest until I find it...

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Well see how fun it is when you're villified for not providing an heir.

And why does an heir have to come from Alistair?  

Hahahaha, yes, there IS another ending to the whole Queen thing.  And you don't have to read between any lines!  It's completely spelled out and awesome and stuff!

You really think Ali isn't going to tell the Arl about your "experiments?" I love Ali but he's not exactly great at lying. Someone is bound to figure something out (unless you're telling my your PC is so special that she can have a baby (which is going to be difficult enough) with Zevran with no one other than Ali being the wiser?  

I'd be surprised if Anora still didn't have spies that were waiting for a moment of weakness to jump on like a hungry wolf. Cheating on the king, no matter who you are isn't going to go down well with the nobles.

You've never explored this ending.  You have no clue what you're talking about.  If you'd like, i can tell you how it plays out in a PM, but I'm not putting THAT big a spoiler here.  But believe me, the ending I'm talking about plays out, Alistair and Zevran are NOT ignorant and it is discussed with BOTH.  All three go into it with their eyes wide open!

So yeh.  Sorry the game isn't quite how you think it is! 

Edit: And who cares what Eamon thinks?  The Couslands are far more powerful anyway!

Second edit: Well, I guess the "discussion" with Alistair is more just letting him know what's up.  In public.  Beats the dumping for SURE!

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 11:43 .

[I_Love_Leliana]

Has anyone ever wondered why your romance partner never tries to kiss you? You're always trying to kiss him/her... I want Leliana to shove her tongue down my throat once in a while without me expecting it...

[Bratt1204]

ejoslin wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Open your eyes ladies, Alistair was in it for the sex and nothing more. He is a Theirin (allegdely), after all.

Right, that's why he's married to my PC now? You cannot even get him into bed unless he is in 'love' with you - so that kind of blows that theory.

Actually, he only has to be at adore for the sex.  And only just out of hostile for the marriage.  

Edit: Which makes me wonder.  The Queen Cousland I had marry him at -25 neutral -- was Ali willing to even consummate the marriage?  Would my Queen cheat on her Love Interest by having sex with Ali if he were willing?

THIS is a fanfic just waiting to happen.

Yes, my bad you can ask him to join you and he is willing at 'adore'. You need to be in 'love' for him to initiate. 

[Nonvita]

I_Love_Leliana wrote...

Has anyone ever wondered why your romance partner never tries to kiss you? You're always trying to kiss him/her... I want Leliana to shove her tongue down my throat once in a while without me expecting it...

Impressive. I think you've made me want to bleach my brain after every single one of your posts. A remarkable feat, indeed.

[Sabriana]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Well now, it's not as if the dead Warden runs around as a zombie or anything, MadCat.
And let us keep in mind that "not normal means" can also mean another royal bastard. The HNF actually dooms the Therin bloodline by making a grab for the king. Unless she has something going on the side, and therefore can produce a child. I doubt they have DNA tests for determining parentage in Thedas.
See, all solved. Two "not normal" ways to produce an heir: either Alistair or the HNF consort produce a child with another woman/man.

...adultry is a normal way to produce a child.

Not normal would probably be god baby from the ritual so truth be told there really isn't a royal heir problem. Just by getting the Queen ending you have one running around. All you need to do is skewer the witch and take the babe. Just need to find her first.

And if there's anything Thedas should have taught you is that secrets don't remain secrets for very long.

Glad you checked in. I was betting myself you would, and I won.

It is normal only in the biological way of thinking. It is not normal in the way a married couple has a child. Normal means would be that the male part of the couple and the female part of the couple have a child together.

Two wardens can't produce a child. If it's done through blood magic, Alistair won't go for it. Remember the fit  he has if Isolde is allowed to make up for her stupidity through using a certain means? Remember his opinion and speech at Avernus?

An heir is needed to keep the country together. An heir by any means. If that is achieved through the royal couple seeking other baby makers then that's what it'll have to be.

And if there's anything Thedas should've told you is that secrets can be very well kept. Alistair was quite well hidden away, I would say. So was Cailan's correspondence with a certain person. Lot's of secrets, everywhere.

Modifié par Sabriana, 07 avril 2010 - 11:44 .

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...


You've never explored this ending.  You have no clue what you're talking about.  If you'd like, i can tell you how it plays out in a PM, but I'm not putting THAT big a spoiler here.  But believe me, the ending I'm talking about plays out, Alistair and Zevran are NOT ignorant and it is discussed with BOTH.  All three go into it with their eyes wide open!

So yeh.  Sorry the game isn't quite how you think it is! 

Edit: And who cares what Eamon thinks?  The Couslands are far more powerful anyway!

I've read that ending. Didn't play it but did read it. And yeah I"m aware Ali knows what he's getting into to. Nice assuming by the way. You really think however no one else is going to have a problem with the bastard child of a ELF being on the throne? Are you serious? 

Eamon may be weaker than Ms.Cousland but he does have influence. And that is more than enough to screw you over.

[Creature 1]

Ryzaki wrote...
I've read that ending. Didn't play it but did read it. And yeah I"m aware Ali knows what he's getting into to. Nice assuming by the way. You really think however no one else is going to have a problem with the bastard child of a ELF being on the throne? Are you serious? 

Eamon may be weaker than Ms.Cousland but he does have influence. And that is more than enough to screw you over.

The child of an elf and a human is a human.  And there are no paternity tests.  How can they tell it's not Alistair's kid?  If Alistair claims the child, I think that would settle it. 

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

ejoslin wrote...


You've never explored this ending.  You have no clue what you're talking about.  If you'd like, i can tell you how it plays out in a PM, but I'm not putting THAT big a spoiler here.  But believe me, the ending I'm talking about plays out, Alistair and Zevran are NOT ignorant and it is discussed with BOTH.  All three go into it with their eyes wide open!

So yeh.  Sorry the game isn't quite how you think it is! 

Edit: And who cares what Eamon thinks?  The Couslands are far more powerful anyway!

I've read that ending. Didn't play it but did read it. And yeah I"m aware Ali knows what he's getting into to. Nice assuming by the way. You really think however no one else is going to have a problem with the bastard child of a ELF being on the throne? Are you serious? 

Eamon may be weaker than Ms.Cousland but he does have influence. And that is more than enough to screw you over.

Ummm, not really.  Especially if you choose for your boon to be a title and riches.  Or if you choose to be chancellor.  I'm not sure even Eamon has enough influence to go against the two Teyrn(a)s of Ferelden.  Especially if you do something that causes him to lose most of his power!

And elf + human = human.  Who's going to know differently?  If Alistair doesn't get busy on his own, it's best for him to acknowledge that child as his own.

Gah, I love that ending.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 11:48 .

[Nonvita]

Creature 1 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I've read that ending. Didn't play it but did read it. And yeah I"m aware Ali knows what he's getting into to. Nice assuming by the way. You really think however no one else is going to have a problem with the bastard child of a ELF being on the throne? Are you serious? 

Eamon may be weaker than Ms.Cousland but he does have influence. And that is more than enough to screw you over.

The child of an elf and a human is a human.  And there are no paternity tests.  How can they tell it's not Alistair's kid?  If Alistair claims the child, I think that would settle it. 

Agreed. If Alistair claims it as his own, then it's legitimate.

[Ryzaki]

Sabriana wrote...


Glad you checked in. I was betting myself you would, and I won.

Hm? Does this mean something?

It is normal only in the biological way of thinking. It is not normal in the way a married couple has a child. Normal means would be that the male part of the couple and the female part of the couple have a child together.

Uh...what? Plenty of married couples have children that don't belong to the father. Its not as much abnormal as it is not usual. I can't help but see abnormal meaning something that is unnatural. Adultry is natural. So...sorry about the word mix up.

Two wardens can't produce a child. If it's done through blood magic, Alistair won't go for it. Remember the fit  he has if Isolde is allowed to make up for her stupidity through sacrifice? Remember his opinion and speech at Avernus?

An heir is needed to keep the country together. An heir by any means. If that is achieved through the royal couple seeking other baby makers then that's what it'll have to be.

Yeah and they're going to be pleased with a child with an elven father? I don't think they'd mind the heir being from another mother than the queen but to have another father? *shrugs* Maybe it'll stay a secret. I'm not willing to beat on it though.

And if there's anything Thedas should've told you is that secrets can be very well kept. Alistair was quite well hidden away, I would say. So was Cailan's correspondence with a certain person. Lot's of secrets, everywhere.

True. *shrugs* I suppose I just expect it to blow up in the PCs face. Frankly I'm hoping it does. Makes things more interesting.

Edit: Eh wasn't aware the child would be completely human disregard the above.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 avril 2010 - 11:52 .

[Ryzaki]

Creature 1 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I've read that ending. Didn't play it but did read it. And yeah I"m aware Ali knows what he's getting into to. Nice assuming by the way. You really think however no one else is going to have a problem with the bastard child of a ELF being on the throne? Are you serious? 

Eamon may be weaker than Ms.Cousland but he does have influence. And that is more than enough to screw you over.

The child of an elf and a human is a human.  And there are no paternity tests.  How can they tell it's not Alistair's kid?  If Alistair claims the child, I think that would settle it. 

It is? Oh that sucks. Nice loophole.

Wait...so what does the elven blood go shrivel up and die in the face of human superiority?

[ejoslin]

Ryzaki wrote...

True. *shrugs* I suppose I just expect it to blow up in the PCs face. Frankly I'm hoping it does. Makes things more interesting.

Ah, now that's YOUR fanfic waiting to happen.  There's no indication in the game that that's how it turns out 

Edit: Really, in the game, while Alistair isn't overjoyed at the whole thing, everyone seems to be reconciled to it. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 avril 2010 - 11:53 .

[Nonvita]

Ryzaki wrote...

It is? Oh that sucks. Nice loophole.

Wait...so what does the elven blood go shrivel up and die in the face of human superiority?

According to David Gaider (yes I'm too lazy to find the post, sorry David), no one knows why elf/human babies end up human, but they do. He gave the reasoning that "elven genes are more adaptive, so they adapt to the human genes," but that this wasn't necessarily true and no one really knows why it happens.

[Creature 1]

Ryzaki wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I've read that ending. Didn't play it but did read it. And yeah I"m aware Ali knows what he's getting into to. Nice assuming by the way. You really think however no one else is going to have a problem with the bastard child of a ELF being on the throne? Are you serious? 

Eamon may be weaker than Ms.Cousland but he does have influence. And that is more than enough to screw you over.

The child of an elf and a human is a human.  And there are no paternity tests.  How can they tell it's not Alistair's kid?  If Alistair claims the child, I think that would settle it. 

It is? Oh that sucks. Nice loophole.

Wait...so what does the elven blood go shrivel up and die in the face of human superiority?

Go figure.  Clearly biology obeys different rules in Thedas.  They shouldn't even be able to interbreed, really. 

[Creature 1]

Nonvita wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

It is? Oh that sucks. Nice loophole.

Wait...so what does the elven blood go shrivel up and die in the face of human superiority?

According to David Gaider (yes I'm too lazy to find the post, sorry David), no one knows why elf/human babies end up human, but they do. He gave the reasoning that "elven genes are more adaptive, so they adapt to the human genes," but that this wasn't necessarily true and no one really knows why it happens.

Ten lashes for pseudo-scientific blather, Mr. Gaider! 

[Ryzaki]

ejoslin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

True. *shrugs* I suppose I just expect it to blow up in the PCs face. Frankly I'm hoping it does. Makes things more interesting.

Ah, now that's YOUR fanfic waiting to happen.  There's no indication in the game that that's how it turns out 

Edit: Really, in the game, while Alistair isn't overjoyed at the whole thing, everyone seems to be reconciled to it. 

No indication that you even have a babe either. "Nearly impossible" isn't great odds you realize. Those years it takes you to produce an heir could threaten your position. You could get desperate and start making mistakes, could never end up having even the fake heir. Then what?

Creature 1 wrote...

Go
figure.  Clearly biology obeys different rules in Thedas.  They
shouldn't even be able to interbreed, really. 

So
this is just a case of a wizard did it then? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

What about human + dwarf? Or dwarf +elf? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 avril 2010 - 11:56 .

[Creature 1]

Ryza

No indication that you even have a babe either. "Nearly impossible" isn't great odds you realize.

Yes, but I'm sure Zevran provides a lot of incentive to try really, really hard. 

[Creature 1]

Ryzaki wrote...
So this is just a case of a wizard did it then? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

What about human + dwarf? Or dwarf +elf? 

I think the dwarf gene pool is land-locked.