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[Andrew_Waltfeld]

wulf3n wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

It seemed from placement that the sheppard was in his/her captain quarters, so your conviently near the beacon anyway. Everyone else is running around doing their damage control job and can do it better than you can why would you intrupt one when you can go to the beacon and do it yourself? It makes little sense when your in that chaos mode and you just know you have to activate that beacon, you just go and do it. Because your mind is in flight mode, not fight because the ship is pretty ****ed up already.

nremies1 wrote...

Time spent looking down the sights of your weapon in combat as a leader is time you don't spend actually leading.

Not A whole lot of time looking down the sights if i remember correctly. It's abrandon ship, and make sure everyone who is still alive to get off the damn ship is able to be picked up. That is number one on your list. Your Second is to send said LI to make sure it is done while you program the beacon (leadership in play). Then you do the selfless act of rescusing joker because everyone else is in the escape pods and attempt to escape yourself.

nremies1 wrote...



Oh...I wasn't even offering an
opinion on the Shepard distress beacon thing.  Is that what you were
talking about when you first quoted me?

uh yes. >_< Never mind my quote then.

[nremies1]

Yeah I've got no issue with the distress beacon thing...I thought you were responding to my line about too many officers on shore parties.

[wulf3n]

 When you get down to the nuts and bolts, the number 2 position comes down to 3 possiblilities.MirandaGarrusJacob.
what i was implying with my previous post (which i tried to do with only quotes cos i've been reprimanded ) was imply that out of the 3, Garrus and Jacob "SEEM" to be the types who would rather do than lead, and jump in head first. Whereas Miranda would sit back, calculate and make informed decision.  I still wouldn't pick her as my XO, just cos i don't think she has enough combat experience, and she's very condescending to her subordinates.

[InvaderErl]

As far as Garrus vs Miranda, Miranda seems to be a better strategist (big picture type of gal) but Garrus comes off as being stronger in the realm of small unit tactics, that is to say a better tactician.

That he was able to beat the gangs on Omega so badly is as much a testament to his ability to lead men into battle as his inability to predict that the gangs would ultimately team up against him is a display that he has trouble seeing the big picture.

I think Miranda has the opposite problem. She was able to effeciently run project Lazarus but never saw (or cared more likely) that Wilson was becoming increasingly dissatisfied.

Shadowomega23 wrote...

Well actually when I first saw that video I though, "Joker best pilot in the Alliance my Ass." He should have dove toward the planet and use the Atmosphere to disperese the incoming shots along with, break targeting solution and even increase acceleration.

The Normandy's hull was breached, I don't know if it could take that structually. That and they were a bit past the planet already by the looks of it.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 avril 2010 - 02:51 .

[Agent_Dark_]

'realistically' speaking, since the SR2 isn't an Alliance vessel it's gonna be hard getting away with taking Miranda out of the XO spot. The ship is still Cerberus', and I doubt The Illusive Man would be too keen on letting the ship out of his grasp (via Miranda). Sure he has EDI and whatever safeguards have been programmed in, but I doubt he's as foolish as that to rely solely on an AI (especially since EDI would seem to prove ineffective in bringing the Normandy back to TIM when you 'run off' with it if you betray Cerberus at the end. Though that might be all part of The Plan. Who knows).

Garrus was cop, not an actual soldier, in his previous life so I'm not sure why anyone would say he's more suitable for the XO spot than Miranda. At least Miranda was running a project, so it stands to reason that she has some semblance of leadership qualities otherwise TIM wouldn't have put her in charge of the Lazarus Project.

I dont think it was ever stated what rank Jacob was when he was in the Alliance military, but the impression I get was as an enlisted, probably senior NCO. Jacob and Garrus would be better suited as the ground fire team leaders, not the XO on the ship.

[nremies1]

InvaderErl wrote...

As far as Garrus vs Miranda, Miranda seems to be a better strategist (big picture type of gal) but Garrus comes off as being stronger in the realm of small unit tactics.

That he was able to beat the gangs on Omega so badly is as much a testament to his ability to lead men into battle as his inability to predict that the gangs would ultimately team up against him is a display that he has trouble seeing the big picture.

I think Miranda has the opposite problem. She was able to effeciently run project Lazarus but never saw (or cared more likely) that Wilson was becoming increasingly dissatisfied.

Wish I had said this the first time, you sum it up nicely.

[wulf3n]

InvaderErl wrote...
That he was able to beat the gangs on Omega so badly is as much a testament to his ability to lead men into battle as his inability to predict that the gangs would ultimately team up against him is a display that he has trouble seeing the big picture.

I felt that the whole "omega crisis" he had, wasn't so much that he couldn't see the big picture, more that he was blinded by revenge, and wanted to kill as many mercs as possible without caring about his own escape. I guess like an suicide attempt to regain his honor be killing the killers of his team.

[InvaderErl]

No I mean before that.

He pushed them to the point that they would finally all join up against him. Despite the damage he was doing, in fact BECAUSE of the damage he was doing they were going to all eventually join up to take him and his men down. Garrus never seemed to take into account that with what he was doing, a situation like what happened was always going to be the endgame so to speak.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 avril 2010 - 03:01 .

[rex taylor]

That Turian guy, whats his face.

[InvaderErl]

The Councilor.

[-Skorpious-]

Vorcha? Plan?

[Neo Hex Omega]

On the Normandy? I vote Navigator Pressly. He never second guessed me at every turn like certain Cerberus agents do.



But in combat, Garrus is definitely my wingman.

[Chuvvy]

Garrus, Legion.

[KainrycKarr]

My thought process on I'd want as my XO



Tali- fav. character, but very young, emotional, and physically fragile. Zero command experience. On-ship possibly, but out of the question as a Combat-sit. XO.



Garrus - 2nd fav, def. command experience, field experience, knows what Shepard would likely do in a given situation. Too hot-headed to make reliable, logical decisions. Overall my first choice, but still not quite ideal



Miranda - Hate her, but she knows the textbook what-to-dos. Does not have the field experience(to my knowledge)l. Doesn't command loyalty. Likely to get the mission done, but with heavy casualties. Not ideal to me.



Zaeed - Combat-savvy, experienced, and intimidating. Good against enemy morale, but as has been stated, a loose cannon. Dangerously unpredicatable as an XO, and therefore, not my ideal choice.



Samara - Highly efficient. Cool and calm under stress, extremely experienced. However, not experienced in a group setting. Decent choice in a pinch, but there are better options.



Thane - As an assassin, does not possess the sort of skill set necessary for group command. Not a good choice.



Jacob - Highly trained. Somewhat calm under pressure. Experienced. Not charismatic, but friendly. Decent choice for an XO.



Mordin - Another on-ship possible XO, but clearly is more scientist than soldier, and therefore not a good XO overall.



Grunt - Powerful, dangerous, and durable. Little experience, hot-headed, and overall not the tactical type. No.



Jack - Powerful, dangeous, experienced, hot-headed. Way, way, WAY too unstable to handle a command job.



Legion - Logical, computer-accurate weapons training, tactical capabilites, no emotions to get in the way. Possible choice, but lacks the "human" factor that gives people the edge over computers in nearly any simulator.

[Belgian Waffles]

Garrus, but Thane is a close second

[uhdnrt]

FYI - Garrus does have military background - almost all Turians do according to the codex. He also mentions it during the "reach/flexibility" conversation. Not just C-Sec experience. When it comes to actual military experience, Jacob, Garrus, and Kaiden/Ashley have it (Zaeed is implied, but not actually stated IIRC).

[Unit-Alpha]

Garrus, duh.

Miranda occasionally.

[sumof all fear]

Garrus,

then Zaeed



I want my second in command to be a vengeful monster, someone as ruthless as I am.

[Big Yam]

Jacob, Tali, and Legion in a command position? None of them are cut out for it IMO.

Legion - Too indecisive, always having to build consensus. He can't even make up his mind whether or not to rewrite the heretics.

Tali - No experience. Fazza and Kal Regar were the team leaders when she was on independent missions. Tali was just the "VIP" or scientific support.

Jacob - He does not have a strategic or a tactical mind. And heaven forbid the mission is hard. He might just quit.

[FlintlockJazz]

My command staff is as follows:



Garrus as XO.

Mordin as Science Officer.

Tali as Chief Engineer (as much as I like Legion, IC Shepard would not trust him that fully to be in charge of anything, he'll have to make do as Geth Liasion Officer).

Joker as pilot (obviously).

Samara as Security Officer (cause it would be just so funny).

Grunt and Jack as Enforcers.

Jacob can be Gunnery Chief if that means he has to spend all day doing calibrations instead, boring sod that he is.

Miranda as Tea Lady.

[Throw_this_away]

Miranda is second in command...  the game says so, and I agree.  Everyone has roles, but people like Garrus do not do anything that makes them step up as a leader.  At least Jacob and Miranda give opinions on issues, even if we don't agree with them. 

[Throw_this_away]

InvaderErl wrote...

As far as Garrus vs Miranda, Miranda seems to be a better strategist (big picture type of gal) but Garrus comes off as being stronger in the realm of small unit tactics, that is to say a better tactician.

That he was able to beat the gangs on Omega so badly is as much a testament to his ability to lead men into battle as his inability to predict that the gangs would ultimately team up against him is a display that he has trouble seeing the big picture.

I think Miranda has the opposite problem. She was able to effeciently run project Lazarus but never saw (or cared more likely) that Wilson was becoming increasingly dissatisfied.

Interesting points.  One problem... Garrus and Sedonis.  Seems like he got tripped up too. 

That being said, we are probably reading into this too much.  For all we know, Miranda may have known that Wilson was turning... but she knew she needed him, so held on and hoped for the best.  In the end though, her cold personality and resolve is what caused Wilson's betrayal.  Very interesting because we see that side of her soften if you get to know her in ME2.  LIke the other characters, she grows for the better. 

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 08 avril 2010 - 12:33 .

[marshalleck]

The next best person suited for command is in my opinion Mr. Kaidan Alenko. He's the only character from both games that I'd trust to make smart decisions. Some people complain about him being boring but the point is that he's intelligent and emotionally mature/stable which makes a good officer and leader. He's not prone to being a source of drama.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 avril 2010 - 12:20 .