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[Roachefort]

Garrus as XO because of his experience and proven loyalty to Shepard even in personal situations, though I'm definitely going to give him a couple hundred good luck charms just to be safe. Legion will be much better at calibrating the guns anyway since I'm sure he has entire programs for fire control.

[wulf3n]

InvaderErl wrote...

Okay well, we'll have to disagree since he managed to save the majority of the crew (the Normandy was utterly doomed) but fair enough.

but he didn't save the crew! the only thing he did, that could be considered an effort to save the crew (apart from the beacon), was push the abandon ship button, after about 20-30 seconds of chatting with ashley/kaiden/liara, and putting out irrelevant fires.

and i'm guessing theres a time lapse somewhere there, because we never even see shepard get told whats going on. If you look at exactly what were given, from shepards point of view crap just starts explodin, so he launches a distress beacon, he doesn't try to find out whats going on.

[Matdeception]

I don't actually mind Miranda being my second in command. Hear me out on this. She has experience, she is very intelligent, and knows enough not to bother me when stupid crap like requestions for Asari Fluffy toilet paper.



I mean, really, can you imagine how pissed off you as a player would be if you had to go over requestion forms in order to keep the loyalty of your crew? ****, I think Miranda invested in the Argus Array after the second or third scanning system you gun downed in sheer aggravation!



While I'm hesitant with her motives at first, as you ween her away from TIM's control she makes a fine aide. Better then the scale itch carrying ho-bag, though even she has her charm. Kinda. Just stay out of my captains quaters, kkthx.



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[Roachefort]

wulf3n wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Okay well, we'll have to disagree since he managed to save the majority of the crew (the Normandy was utterly doomed) but fair enough.

but he didn't save the crew! the only thing he did, that could be considered an effort to save the crew (apart from the beacon), was push the abandon ship button, after about 20-30 seconds of chatting with ashley/kaiden/liara, and putting out irrelevant fires.

and i'm guessing theres a time lapse somewhere there, because we never even see shepard get told whats going on. If you look at exactly what were given, from shepards point of view crap just starts explodin, so he launches a distress beacon, he doesn't try to find out whats going on.

Also, Pressely, his XO, is on the bridge like he is supposed to be when Shepard is away/off duty/below decks. My guess is that Shepard was down in the cargo hold talking to Wrex and had to take the elevator back up when the battle started.  

[wulf3n]

Roachefort wrote...

Also, Pressely, his XO, is on the bridge like he is supposed to be when Shepard is away/off duty/below decks. My guess is that Shepard was down in the cargo hold talking to Wrex and had to take the elevator back up when the battle started.  

lol, don't even get me started on XO Pressly

Random crew "Unidentified ship on intercept course"
XO Pressly" Duh...but geth cant detect us?" (i've paraphrased")

 she didn't say geth, she said unidentified!

its no wonder the normandy got destroyed, it's command staff are all idiots.

ohhhh...also, if a ship that can't see you is on an intercept course, you might want to move quickly, its not like moving will give away your position.

Modifié par wulf3n, 07 avril 2010 - 07:50 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Matdeception wrote...

I don't actually mind Miranda being my second in command. Hear me out on this. She has experience, she is very intelligent, and knows enough not to bother me when stupid crap like requestions for Asari Fluffy toilet paper.

I mean, really, can you imagine how pissed off you as a player would be if you had to go over requestion forms in order to keep the loyalty of your crew? ****, I think Miranda invested in the Argus Array after the second or third scanning system you gun downed in sheer aggravation!

While I'm hesitant with her motives at first, as you ween her away from TIM's control she makes a fine aide. Better then the scale itch carrying ho-bag, though even she has her charm. Kinda. Just stay out of my captains quaters, kkthx.

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The purpose you just described is analogous to a general's secretary.  Most general's secretaries are lieutenants at least, but that doesn't mean they have the experience or the skills to take over from the general.  The general's second in command would be at least a Colonel, at least.  

A second in command assumes command of a vessel in the absence of the commanding officer, meaning they run the ship.  Should the ship be attacked that officer would need to be able to effectively lead all personnel on board in a counter attack.  Miranda can't do this with her skill set, she just can't, suicide mission be damned.

[cachx]

Garrus is really cool, and one of my shep's closest buddies. But I actually was surprised that he had leadership skills for the final mission. I mean, he was always a low ranker in C-Sec, and we all know what happened to his squad on Omega...



In terms of leadership I would place him on the same level as Jacob (similar military training) or even Zaeed (probably military training, and has experience leading merc assaults).



It doesn't really matter, because EDI can run the whole operation by itself

[Matdeception]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Matdeception wrote...

I don't actually mind Miranda being my second in command. Hear me out on this. She has experience, she is very intelligent, and knows enough not to bother me when stupid crap like requestions for Asari Fluffy toilet paper.

I mean, really, can you imagine how pissed off you as a player would be if you had to go over requestion forms in order to keep the loyalty of your crew? ****, I think Miranda invested in the Argus Array after the second or third scanning system you gun downed in sheer aggravation!

While I'm hesitant with her motives at first, as you ween her away from TIM's control she makes a fine aide. Better then the scale itch carrying ho-bag, though even she has her charm. Kinda. Just stay out of my captains quaters, kkthx.

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The purpose you just described is analogous to a general's secretary.  Most general's secretaries are lieutenants at least, but that doesn't mean they have the experience or the skills to take over from the general.  The general's second in command would be at least a Colonel, at least.  

A second in command assumes command of a vessel in the absence of the commanding officer, meaning they run the ship.  Should the ship be attacked that officer would need to be able to effectively lead all personnel on board in a counter attack.  Miranda can't do this with her skill set, she just can't, suicide mission be damned.

How do you figure? She has command experience as evidenced by TIM's surprising amount of trust in her. Her only failing, honestly, is that she never did learn to inspire the type of loyalty that makes a crew not just 'obey' her orders, but actively try and do their absolute best with out being asked too.

She's smart enough to admit it too.

Let me make it abundantly clear; I'm not saying Garrus, or Tali, or Urz are bad second in commands by any stretch of the imagination. Garrus has had my respect since ME1, Tali had it also, but heightened it to Garrus standards with her actions in ME2 and especially her loyalty mission. Urz is the shadow broker, if you don't respect a Varren running the greatest information net in the galaxy, you need to re-think yourself.

I am, however, saying that she is the BEST of the REST  I wouldn't put Jack in charge unless I wanted to make a stop by the local chop shop, Kasumi might steal the ship from me entirely. Don't even mention Samara, I can't take a character who's biotic power are breasts seriously.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Miranda is my second in command.



Until Ash joins my team again to reclaim that position.

[wulf3n]

Matdeception wrote...
I'm not saying Garrus, or Tali, or Urz are bad second in commands by any stretch of the imagination. Garrus has had my respect since ME1, Tali had it also, but heightened it to Garrus standards with her actions in ME2 and especially her loyalty mission. 

I personally wouldn't pick Tali, as much as i like her character, every mission we've seen her command, only 1 other quarian walks away.
At least with Garrus we know he did well before he lost everyone, because he had 3 different merc companies trying to kill him.

[keegdarv1]

i thought about picking Garrus for three seconds but i remember i want my second in command to have a backbone, and when it comes to Shepard Garrus wouldnt stand up to him wouldnt second guess or even look for other choices



Garrus as a team leader sure that fine it good, as a second in command to anyone besides Shepard yes that would work but as a second in command to Shepard doesntt make sense



Garrus holds Shepard to high, Shepard makes Garrus what he is shapes him one way or another in ME1 and keeps doing it into ME2



a second in command needs to question the leader every once in awhile be willing to bring up other ways to finish a mission, Garrus wouldnt do it

[VettoRyouzou]

Garrus, As much as I love tali, tali had 2 of her teams slaughtered garrus seems more level headed and knows how to obey orders and I never have to feel like I'm going to be stab in the back by some Cerberus op.

[GuardianAngel470]

Matdeception wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Matdeception wrote...

I don't actually mind Miranda being my second in command. Hear me out on this. She has experience, she is very intelligent, and knows enough not to bother me when stupid crap like requestions for Asari Fluffy toilet paper.

I mean, really, can you imagine how pissed off you as a player would be if you had to go over requestion forms in order to keep the loyalty of your crew? ****, I think Miranda invested in the Argus Array after the second or third scanning system you gun downed in sheer aggravation!

While I'm hesitant with her motives at first, as you ween her away from TIM's control she makes a fine aide. Better then the scale itch carrying ho-bag, though even she has her charm. Kinda. Just stay out of my captains quaters, kkthx.

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The purpose you just described is analogous to a general's secretary.  Most general's secretaries are lieutenants at least, but that doesn't mean they have the experience or the skills to take over from the general.  The general's second in command would be at least a Colonel, at least.  

A second in command assumes command of a vessel in the absence of the commanding officer, meaning they run the ship.  Should the ship be attacked that officer would need to be able to effectively lead all personnel on board in a counter attack.  Miranda can't do this with her skill set, she just can't, suicide mission be damned.

How do you figure? She has command experience as evidenced by TIM's surprising amount of trust in her. Her only failing, honestly, is that she never did learn to inspire the type of loyalty that makes a crew not just 'obey' her orders, but actively try and do their absolute best with out being asked too.

She's smart enough to admit it too.

Let me make it abundantly clear; I'm not saying Garrus, or Tali, or Urz are bad second in commands by any stretch of the imagination. Garrus has had my respect since ME1, Tali had it also, but heightened it to Garrus standards with her actions in ME2 and especially her loyalty mission. Urz is the shadow broker, if you don't respect a Varren running the greatest information net in the galaxy, you need to re-think yourself.

I am, however, saying that she is the BEST of the REST  I wouldn't put Jack in charge unless I wanted to make a stop by the local chop shop, Kasumi might steal the ship from me entirely. Don't even mention Samara, I can't take a character who's biotic power are breasts seriously.

Miranda has had experience leading science and covert ops teams.  It would be like saying that Thane would be a good second in command.  She doesn't have combat experience, nor military training.  Garrus and Jacob both do, putting them both ahead of Miranda.  I don't put miranda in charge partly because she has no experience leading a military operation (as I consider my operations military) and partly because the crew hate her.  An unpopular officer is the first to get fragged, and you know garrus would do it too.  If the crew don't respect the commanding officer and that commanding officer knows less about leading a team of super soldiers like mine then I say they aren't fit for command.

I was basing my point on your description though, which was a pencil pusher.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 07 avril 2010 - 08:33 .

[keegdarv1]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Miranda has had experience leading science and cover ops teams.  It would be like saying that Thane would be a good second in command.  She doesn't have combat experience, nor military training.  Garrus and Jacob both do, putting them both ahead of Miranda.  I don't put miranda in charge partly because she has no experience leading a military operation (as I consider my operations military) and partly because the crew hate her.  An unpopular officer is the first to get fragged, and you know garrus would do it too.  If the crew don't respect the commanding officer and that commanding officer knows less about leading a team of super soldiers like mine then I say they aren't fit for command.

I was basing my point on your description though, which was a pencil pusher.

time to try alittle logic here

What crew members hate her?

Jack *shrugs* maybe sure but odds also are she hates or doesnt care about 90% of the crew

Samara states she respects her

Grunt im sure doesnt care as long as he gets to fight

Thane Zaeed Mordin i doubt they care they are thier for money or its the right thing to do

Tali Garrus, i doubt hate my mistrust and if the player Shepard were to trust they would to as they would blindly follow Shepard

Jacob of course he trust her worked with her for years

Legion if the math says shes the best choice he follow it

so besides Jack what crew truely hate her?

[Matdeception]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Matdeception wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Matdeception wrote...

I don't actually mind Miranda being my second in command. Hear me out on this. She has experience, she is very intelligent, and knows enough not to bother me when stupid crap like requestions for Asari Fluffy toilet paper.

I mean, really, can you imagine how pissed off you as a player would be if you had to go over requestion forms in order to keep the loyalty of your crew? ****, I think Miranda invested in the Argus Array after the second or third scanning system you gun downed in sheer aggravation!

While I'm hesitant with her motives at first, as you ween her away from TIM's control she makes a fine aide. Better then the scale itch carrying ho-bag, though even she has her charm. Kinda. Just stay out of my captains quaters, kkthx.

New day, new chance to earn tokens! Help I straight up non-exploiting bastard keep in the game! Click my sig!

The purpose you just described is analogous to a general's secretary.  Most general's secretaries are lieutenants at least, but that doesn't mean they have the experience or the skills to take over from the general.  The general's second in command would be at least a Colonel, at least.  

A second in command assumes command of a vessel in the absence of the commanding officer, meaning they run the ship.  Should the ship be attacked that officer would need to be able to effectively lead all personnel on board in a counter attack.  Miranda can't do this with her skill set, she just can't, suicide mission be damned.

How do you figure? She has command experience as evidenced by TIM's surprising amount of trust in her. Her only failing, honestly, is that she never did learn to inspire the type of loyalty that makes a crew not just 'obey' her orders, but actively try and do their absolute best with out being asked too.

She's smart enough to admit it too.

Let me make it abundantly clear; I'm not saying Garrus, or Tali, or Urz are bad second in commands by any stretch of the imagination. Garrus has had my respect since ME1, Tali had it also, but heightened it to Garrus standards with her actions in ME2 and especially her loyalty mission. Urz is the shadow broker, if you don't respect a Varren running the greatest information net in the galaxy, you need to re-think yourself.

I am, however, saying that she is the BEST of the REST  I wouldn't put Jack in charge unless I wanted to make a stop by the local chop shop, Kasumi might steal the ship from me entirely. Don't even mention Samara, I can't take a character who's biotic power are breasts seriously.

Miranda has had experience leading science and covert ops teams.  It would be like saying that Thane would be a good second in command.  She doesn't have combat experience, nor military training.  Garrus and Jacob both do, putting them both ahead of Miranda.  I don't put miranda in charge partly because she has no experience leading a military operation (as I consider my operations military) and partly because the crew hate her.  An unpopular officer is the first to get fragged, and you know garrus would do it too.  If the crew don't respect the commanding officer and that commanding officer knows less about leading a team of super soldiers like mine then I say they aren't fit for command.

I was basing my point on your description though, which was a pencil pusher.

You win. Seriously.

Whenever I hear some one talking about unpopular officers I think to Warhammer 40k, about Commisar Ciphas Cain, who knew very well the truth of it. If your soldiers hate you, expect to find your career short and quickly ended. If your soldiers love you, they'll never suspect you're using them as human shields.

Heh, good stuff. And I agree with your reasoning. Miranda is my secratary, Garrus is my second in command, and Tali a distant third (She really doesn't have much experience, and people disobey her and get killed often enough to make me cringe)

[monika26]

Mostly definitely Garrus. He's the most suited for the position of XO. Miranda is just my Cerberus liaison and secretary.

[wulf3n]

edit: sorry this was a really stupid post...im gonna go shoot myself now 

Modifié par wulf3n, 07 avril 2010 - 08:47 .

[GuardianAngel470]

keegdarv1 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Miranda has had experience leading science and cover ops teams.  It would be like saying that Thane would be a good second in command.  She doesn't have combat experience, nor military training.  Garrus and Jacob both do, putting them both ahead of Miranda.  I don't put miranda in charge partly because she has no experience leading a military operation (as I consider my operations military) and partly because the crew hate her.  An unpopular officer is the first to get fragged, and you know garrus would do it too.  If the crew don't respect the commanding officer and that commanding officer knows less about leading a team of super soldiers like mine then I say they aren't fit for command.

I was basing my point on your description though, which was a pencil pusher.

time to try alittle logic here

What crew members hate her?

Jack *shrugs* maybe sure but odds also are she hates or doesnt care about 90% of the crew

Samara states she respects her

Grunt im sure doesnt care as long as he gets to fight

Thane Zaeed Mordin i doubt they care they are thier for money or its the right thing to do

Tali Garrus, i doubt hate my mistrust and if the player Shepard were to trust they would to as they would blindly follow Shepard

Jacob of course he trust her worked with her for years

Legion if the math says shes the best choice he follow it

so besides Jack what crew truely hate her?

I was basing my opinion on the crew's reaction to Miranda assuming that she would lead the second fire team.  I made the assumption that Garrus's and Jack's response could be extended to the rest of the crew, but it may not.  It could be argued that it can and it can be argued that it can't and since we don't know the developer's intent neither of us are right and neither of us are wrong.

[GuardianAngel470]

wulf3n wrote...

edit: sorry this was a really stupid post...im gonna go shoot myself now 

Have fun with that, I've heard that bleeding out has a euphoric effect.

[CHT87]

Garrus.



/thread

[GuardianAngel470]

Matdeception wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Matdeception wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Matdeception wrote...

I don't actually mind Miranda being my second in command. Hear me out on this. She has experience, she is very intelligent, and knows enough not to bother me when stupid crap like requestions for Asari Fluffy toilet paper.

I mean, really, can you imagine how pissed off you as a player would be if you had to go over requestion forms in order to keep the loyalty of your crew? ****, I think Miranda invested in the Argus Array after the second or third scanning system you gun downed in sheer aggravation!

While I'm hesitant with her motives at first, as you ween her away from TIM's control she makes a fine aide. Better then the scale itch carrying ho-bag, though even she has her charm. Kinda. Just stay out of my captains quaters, kkthx.

New day, new chance to earn tokens! Help I straight up non-exploiting bastard keep in the game! Click my sig!

The purpose you just described is analogous to a general's secretary.  Most general's secretaries are lieutenants at least, but that doesn't mean they have the experience or the skills to take over from the general.  The general's second in command would be at least a Colonel, at least.  

A second in command assumes command of a vessel in the absence of the commanding officer, meaning they run the ship.  Should the ship be attacked that officer would need to be able to effectively lead all personnel on board in a counter attack.  Miranda can't do this with her skill set, she just can't, suicide mission be damned.

How do you figure? She has command experience as evidenced by TIM's surprising amount of trust in her. Her only failing, honestly, is that she never did learn to inspire the type of loyalty that makes a crew not just 'obey' her orders, but actively try and do their absolute best with out being asked too.

She's smart enough to admit it too.

Let me make it abundantly clear; I'm not saying Garrus, or Tali, or Urz are bad second in commands by any stretch of the imagination. Garrus has had my respect since ME1, Tali had it also, but heightened it to Garrus standards with her actions in ME2 and especially her loyalty mission. Urz is the shadow broker, if you don't respect a Varren running the greatest information net in the galaxy, you need to re-think yourself.

I am, however, saying that she is the BEST of the REST  I wouldn't put Jack in charge unless I wanted to make a stop by the local chop shop, Kasumi might steal the ship from me entirely. Don't even mention Samara, I can't take a character who's biotic power are breasts seriously.

Miranda has had experience leading science and covert ops teams.  It would be like saying that Thane would be a good second in command.  She doesn't have combat experience, nor military training.  Garrus and Jacob both do, putting them both ahead of Miranda.  I don't put miranda in charge partly because she has no experience leading a military operation (as I consider my operations military) and partly because the crew hate her.  An unpopular officer is the first to get fragged, and you know garrus would do it too.  If the crew don't respect the commanding officer and that commanding officer knows less about leading a team of super soldiers like mine then I say they aren't fit for command.

I was basing my point on your description though, which was a pencil pusher.

You win. Seriously.

Whenever I hear some one talking about unpopular officers I think to Warhammer 40k, about Commisar Ciphas Cain, who knew very well the truth of it. If your soldiers hate you, expect to find your career short and quickly ended. If your soldiers love you, they'll never suspect you're using them as human shields.

Heh, good stuff. And I agree with your reasoning. Miranda is my secratary, Garrus is my second in command, and Tali a distant third (She really doesn't have much experience, and people disobey her and get killed often enough to make me cringe)

Tali's failures may very well be attributed to a lack of discipline in all of the quarian military.  She may be no better or worse than her counterparts, we just don't know.

I honestly don't know who I would put in command after Joker/EDI.  Not kelly, not miranda, maybe Jacob, he's a respectable guy, it seems like he warmed up to Tali from his reaction to me keeping legion (if you don't remember he showed concern about what Tali's reaction would be).  I don't think Thane took offense to Jacob's comments so Jacob may be a good fourth in command.  

After that I have no idea, else I would have put it in the OP.

Oh, and thanks for being an upstanding person on the internet.  There aren't many people who concede that they were wrong.  I try to do this myself, but it is good to see others do as well.  You're aces in my book.

[GuardianAngel470]

CHT87 wrote...

Garrus.

/thread

This would have been useful on page one.

[keegdarv1]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

keegdarv1 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Miranda has had experience leading science and cover ops teams.  It would be like saying that Thane would be a good second in command.  She doesn't have combat experience, nor military training.  Garrus and Jacob both do, putting them both ahead of Miranda.  I don't put miranda in charge partly because she has no experience leading a military operation (as I consider my operations military) and partly because the crew hate her.  An unpopular officer is the first to get fragged, and you know garrus would do it too.  If the crew don't respect the commanding officer and that commanding officer knows less about leading a team of super soldiers like mine then I say they aren't fit for command.

I was basing my point on your description though, which was a pencil pusher.

time to try alittle logic here

What crew members hate her?

Jack *shrugs* maybe sure but odds also are she hates or doesnt care about 90% of the crew

Samara states she respects her

Grunt im sure doesnt care as long as he gets to fight

Thane Zaeed Mordin i doubt they care they are thier for money or its the right thing to do

Tali Garrus, i doubt hate my mistrust and if the player Shepard were to trust they would to as they would blindly follow Shepard

Jacob of course he trust her worked with her for years

Legion if the math says shes the best choice he follow it

so besides Jack what crew truely hate her?

I was basing my opinion on the crew's reaction to Miranda assuming that she would lead the second fire team.  I made the assumption that Garrus's and Jack's response could be extended to the rest of the crew, but it may not.  It could be argued that it can and it can be argued that it can't and since we don't know the developer's intent neither of us are right and neither of us are wrong.

i would agree that beside Jack and Garrus more of the crew could dislike her if Jacob wasnt the one that speaks up if their both dead and he starts his statement with i trust but other may not or something like that, Bioware seems to have only given Jack a logical reason to dislike Miranda and speak up both Garrus and Jacob seem more of we have to speak up to give the player the ability to choose instead of forcing it to have to be Miranda

[Big Yam]

keegdarv1 wrote...


What crew members hate her?

If Jack is dead, Garrus will chime in and say how he and some of the crew don't trust her instead.