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[RedTracer7]

Just found this on IGN:

IGN: Will there be gay relationships for the male Shepard? Here at IGN we've heard a lot of positive feedback from the inclusion of gay relationships in Dragon Age; compare that with the somewhat conspicuous absence of them from Mass Effect?

Ray Muzyka: "Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role, and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts. In Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and that's intentional. 

We're not saying that one approach is better than the other. In our previous games, as we did in Jade Empire, as we did in KOTOR, as we did in Baldur's Gate, and many games before and in the future, we enable those kinds of choices, whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who he or she is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more tactical choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's more focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But that's by choice. "

So Mass Effect 3 won't have awesome lesbian (besides Asari) relationships?!  (Or Male on Male... I guess)

We all know a 3-way with FemShepard, Tali, and (Insert Any Asari here) would be freakin' awesome.  And come on, Thane has to be gay.

Comments?

[Corehaven22]

They should just remake Star Wars and have Han Solo be gay too.



Seriously, homosexual relationships in video games is a frontier that isnt just rare, its practically unheard off. Maybe games need to change, but lets not rag on Bioware as if they have left something out that so many other games employ. Because they dont.



I dont think Bioware see's Shepard as gay. Plain and simple. There are several things that define who Shepard is. And other things that are defined by the player. Homosexuality is not one of the things defined by the players. And thats that.



Im not railing against homosexuality in games. I dont prefer the option myself.....ahem......but this game just doesnt have it. I dont think it should be an issue either.

[vhatever]

There is already an idiotic gay thread. Fell free to take your stink on over to it. You might wanto to learn how to properly post someone's comments, too.

Modifié par vhatever, 07 avril 2010 - 07:25 .

[purplesunset]

What's there to discuss ??

He made it quite clear that in ME, the character is a pre-written, pre-defined one, and apparently a gay romance wouldn't fit in too well without changes to the personality that they don't want to make.

This is the direction Bioware is going in now as it is the same thing in Dragon Age. Sure, they allow a bit more freedom in some areas, but it is a pre-written narrative, and you're basically an actor in a theater playing out a role that's already been written.  They gave any actor the choice to play the role, but the role stays the same regardless of who is playing it. Try playing a human noble as a black man, and this becomes quite evident.


Edit: I don't want to give the impression that I'm attacking you. I actually sympathise/empathise with you because even though the explanation makes sense, that doesn't mean that many people won't  be disappointed.

From Bioware's perspective, they are willing to disappoint a portion of their fans to stay true to their vision /  their wallet$ (depending on how you view the company.)

Modifié par purplesunset, 07 avril 2010 - 07:34 .

[Kalfear]

Thought Ray Explained it pretty clearly.

What more do you require.

Pretty clear only explaining OP will accept is to get it his way and only his way!



Mass Effects isnt that game, move on!



Wish we could get some responces this clear on Role Play and Hetro romances from Bioware so I know to stick around or move on about issues that matter to me.



No Same sex relationships in ME3, you got your answer.

Personally im glad as would rather have them spend time on real important issues, but thats me.

[Hathur]

Got nothing against homosexuals... but they're a minority... they consist of .. what... an estimated 10% of the population or so?

I don't see why Bioware should be so greatly expected to cater to such a small minority of people... I personally don't care if the game has it or not.. I'm not offended by it.. but I also get that they don't care about spending production time to appease such a small percent of people who would care about it.

Dragon Age allowed gay relationships... be content with that.. Bioware isn't obligated to make all their games offer this.

They'll likely do it again for Dragon Age 2 or perhaps even the star wars MMO they're making... but they've said they don't want to do it for for Mass Effect ... that's their call, their decision... respect it and move on.... they've given the gay community far more than any other game developer ever has in terms of content that caters to their preferences.

Have a little objectivity and stop sounding like such pouting children.

Modifié par Hathur, 07 avril 2010 - 07:33 .

[Corehaven22]

Hathur wrote...

Got nothing against homosexuals... but they're a minority... they consist of .. what... an estimated 10% of the population or so?

I don't see why Bioware should be so greatly expected to cater to such a small minority of people... I personally don't care if the game has it or not.. I'm not offended by it.. but I also get that they don't care about spending production time to appease such a small percent of people who would care about.

Dragon Age allowed gay relationships... be content with that.. Bioware isn't obligated to make all their games offer this.

They'll likely do it again for Dragon Age 2 or perhaps even the star wars MMO they're making... but they've said they don't want to do it for for Mass Effect ... that's they're call, they're decision... respect it and move on.... they given the gay community far more than any other game developer ever has in terms of content that caters to their preferences.

Have a little objectivity and stop sounding like such pouting children.

Yea I agree with everything you've said here except that Swtor may have it.  

Swtor WILL have it.  But it wont be written into the game.  The community can RP and have their little groups of friends and they can do whatever and be whoever they want.  

But as far as writing it in, Star Wars is the last place you'll probably ever see gay undertones (besides C3PO ) or relationships.  I can promise you now it wont be Swtor either.  Not written in at least. 

Modifié par Corehaven22, 07 avril 2010 - 07:36 .

[darknoon5]

Corehaven22 wrote...

But as far as writing it in, Star Wars is the last place you'll probably ever see gay undertones (besides C3PO ) or relationships.  I can promise you now it wont be Swtor either.  Not written in at least. 

Juhani mayhaps, even if it was a bug.

Looking back, there are homosexual relationships in Jade Empire, Dragon Age and even KoTOR. It's not like Bioware are homophobic or disregard the opinion of those who want same-sex romances, it just (as explained clearly) doesn't fit with Shepard's aspects. You can choose Shepard's gender, skin colour, even personality. But there are some things pre-determined, such as race, voice and sexuality. Next people will be saying "omg I wantz turiannz shep!!!111"

Seriously, considering how few same-sex relationships video games feature,  and I just listed three games where they're possible, people should stop complaining. Plus ME1 even has a lesbian romance of sorts (Asari are monogendered, technically though) so people don't seem content with what they have, because people never are.

Modifié par darknoon5, 07 avril 2010 - 07:42 .

[Hathur]

Corehaven, Swotor will have NPCs (just like ME does) that you can recruit - you can have romantic relationships with some of them just like in the original Kotor and of course ME1 & 2... whether or not a gay relationship will be offered is of course unknown. (Though I sorta doubt it since Lucas Arts has to sign off on stuff.. and they have in the past said homosexuality doesn't exist in the Star Wars Universe... which is .. odd... but, whatever).

[Corehaven22]

Hathur wrote...

Corehaven, Swotor will have NPCs (just like ME does) that you can recruit - you can have romantic relationships with some of them just like in the original Kotor and of course ME1 & 2... whether or not a gay relationship will be offered is of course unknown. (Though I sorta doubt it since Lucas Arts has to sign off on stuff.. and they have in the past said homosexuality doesn't exist in the Star Wars Universe... which is .. odd... but, whatever).

Wait did Lucas Arts really say that???  HAhahahaha!  Well.....alright.  

I can kind of understand it though.  Star Wars is meant for all ages and for everyone to enjoy.  It just doesnt really fit.  

You dont see gay relationships in Lord of the Rings (least I think you dont......hobbits....sigh), or Star Trek.  Its just not accepted on that level yet.   Im not sure it ever will be to that extent.  

But Im sure we'll see it again in the future.  Heck, one of the main protagonist in the GTA 4 expansions is of course Gay Tony.  So go figure.  

[purplesunset]

Wow. It seems like I'm the only one who expressed understanding for the OP.

Even though I personally have no interest in homosexual relationships, I was able to empathise because of a similar kind of thing which happened with minorities in Dragon age.

Come on, guys. Being objective is one thing, but we're human and you should know that it's much easier to be objective when the issue doesn't concern you personally (unless you 're an empathic type.)

Can you expect a parent to objectively rate their child's performance at a concert? I can think of more extreme examples, but I'll let this stand for now.

Objectivity is one thing, but understanding goes a long way.

[GodWood]

Jade Empire had m/m and f/f...

Dragon Age had m/m and f/f...

I see no reason why they should simply not allow it to continue.

[finnithe]

I like the characters the way they are. There doesn't have to be a token gay person just like there doesn't have to be a person of every race on the Normandy.

[AntiChri5]

GodWood wrote...

Jade Empire had m/m and f/f...
Dragon Age had m/m and f/f...
I see no reason why they should simply not allow it to continue.

Mass Effect had F/F and no M/M

I think that is where the problem lies. I would be fine with gay Shepard, mostly because it makes lesbian Shepard feel hypocritical. And i am a big fan of lesbian Shepard.

[Kalfear]

TOR wont have a openly gay NPC love interest!



Star Wars is a PG world and nothing they have ever done suggests they support or include homosexuality in their design!



Got nothing to do with Bioware, thats a LA thing and Junarhi wasnt gay, thats just gays looking for something thats not there!



As for the rest, Hathur nailed it entirely and I agree. See no reason to include it for 10% of the population (I doubt homosexuality makes up 10% of the gaming population btw, probably much much less).



I have no care if its there (long as its not shoved in face like Assassin in DA:O was) but Bioware owes no explanation to anyone on this topic. As I said above, far more important topic they do need to speak on that effect far larger (the majority) population of gamers.

[Dick Delaware]

God, romances in games are so lame.



I guess part of the appeal of being Commander Shepard is that you can nail hot green space-babes, but the fixation on this stuff is funny. It's really nothing more than a little side story.



I wish folks here were more interested in stuff like making sure your choices mattered in ME3. Importing choices for ME2 was incredibly cosmetic and changed nothing.

[phordicus]

DD ^ stole my line. unless it's very well done (like BG2), romances are hardly worth the time. even in DAO the only difference between romanced and not romanced was a "sex" scene.

[FlyingWalrus]

I thought the romances in Dragon Age were lamer.



Well, the conversation was much better, actually. The actual consummation of the relationship? Ehh, it was a bit creepy, to be completely honest. Mass Effect's consummation scenes just look better and far less mannequin on mannequin.

[GodWood]

Kalfear wrote...

Got nothing to do with Bioware, thats a LA thing and Junarhi wasnt gay, thats just gays looking for something thats not there!

Juhani was a lesbian.

Modifié par GodWood, 08 avril 2010 - 09:00 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I also don't see what's the big deal with this whole romance thing. I would think of it as a bonus that only adds depth and immersion but is ultimately irrelevant, especially in ME. It's a good addition, but definitely not worth the outcry.

[Kalfear]

GodWood wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Got nothing to do with Bioware, thats a LA thing and Junarhi wasnt gay, thats just gays looking for something thats not there!

Juhani was a lesbian.

I stand corrected, some kid on the internet thats been wrong on just about every topic he posts in says she was a lesbian, guess George saying different was a mistake!

(rolls eyes at the stupidity of it all) 
Lets try this again for the S L O W kids, Star Wars doesnt do homosexuality!
get it?
got it?
good!

[MotoSkunkX]

Mass Effect 1 & 2 have f/f. Just because asari are "gender neutral" in canon doesn't make them somehow be anything less than blue-hued female alien babes. Also, Kelly. Though she'll sleep with anything. Even varren.



As far as m/m, do not want and therefore do not care, Zevran + MaleWarden was the only romance I refused to do. Disgusting. As a side note, I only picked Liara because Kaiden and Ashley were hideous and had irritating personalities, with one it was emoemoemo and the other quoted poetry too much.



Where are my blonde haired blue eyed babes? Sure Miranda made up for the sorely lacking hot-attractive-human-female department of ME1, but I didn't entirely get what I wanted either(curse you Leilana for setting the bar so high ;_, but I'm not torn up over it.

[Lord_Tirian]

----9----- wrote...

So Ray Muzyka is saying that Shepard is a 'predefined character', in a game that's classed as an RPG? Odd statement. So this is a Predefined Character Game.

From the differences between ME1 and ME2, I get the impression Bioware never had a clear trilogy game plan - they're just making this up as they go along.

In ME2, I also had a bit of the impression that it's less *my* Shepard than before. In ME1, I picked Shepard's history and attitude in the past (i.e. backgrounds), even got specific quests for that. In ME2 (partially due to the strong marketing of the default male shep), I start to get the feeling that some writers are pushing "their" favourite Shep, the strong square-jawed space marine. I also noticed that I got less dialogue selections in ME2, sometimes you pick something on the conversation wheel, get an answer... and Shepard just talks again, without giving you the choice to change the course of the conversation - leaving you thinking *no!*

For me, it's not about the romances and ME2 is still a great game, but the slow creeping on of "their" Shepard - as opposed to my own - doesn't bode too well for ME3, though I hope that will change, as "not enough RPG"-feedback is rather common (I don't *share* that stance, though).