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[Tirigon]

Corehaven22 wrote...


You dont see gay relationships in Lord of the Rings (least I think you dont......hobbits....sigh), or Star Trek.  Its just not accepted on that level yet.   Im not sure it ever will be to that extent.  

LOL.

Of course there is homosexuality in LotR.

They always talk about how they love each other. Also, elves play a part. Come on, Legolas MUST be gay.
Not even to mention the awesome Frodo - Sam couple.

[Masticetobbacco]

women and homosexuals will always be a small minority of the community



Why the hell should they make gay relationships that appeal to 5% of the community. Most women here arent even women, but fat men or FBI agents, and homosexuals who play shooters are extremely rare.



gay relationships = do not want

lesbian relationships will be possible through save file diting

[RyrineaNara]

ReconTeam:



Fact 1: Wong on all counts, since I looked up Yoai on the good old extranet it gets up too 6,100,000 hits with the word Yoai in it. Plus, Yoai Manga ever heard of that.



For your information. Yoai=Guy on Guy



Fact 2: They gave us a lame excuse

[catabuca]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

women and homosexuals will always be a small minority of the community

Why the hell should they make gay relationships that appeal to 5% of the community. Most women here arent even women, but fat men or FBI agents, and homosexuals who play shooters are extremely rare.

gay relationships = do not want
lesbian relationships will be possible through save file diting

And while we're at it, let's see if we can get a community mod to turn Jacob white on the PC.

Signed, FBI infiltrator.

[Masticetobbacco]

catabuca wrote...

Masticetobbacco wrote...

women and homosexuals will always be a small minority of the community

Why the hell should they make gay relationships that appeal to 5% of the community. Most women here arent even women, but fat men or FBI agents, and homosexuals who play shooters are extremely rare.

gay relationships = do not want
lesbian relationships will be possible through save file diting

And while we're at it, let's see if we can get a community mod to turn Jacob white on the PC.

Signed, FBI infiltrator.

jacob was thrown into ME2 to fill in the nig.ga quota. Because ALL YOU HUMANS ARE RASCIST.
making him white would be lulz worthy

[Inquisitor Recon]

catabuca wrote...
Fact - Dragon Age has 'gay' and sold remarkably well. Gay sells. Games sell. Options and choice sells.
Fact - Yes they do.
Fact - Homosexuality is not a disease, there is nothing to cure, and you are a homophobic bigot and have been reported.
Possibility - if in the far future female humans are having sex with hot alien chicks then I'd say it's progressed sufficiently.

Because you are a homophobe you need reporting.

Reported?! LOL. Am I supposed to be worried? Or upset because I was called a *gasp* homophobe for not wanting gaymances in Mass Effect?

Fact -Gay did not make Dragon Age sell remarkably well. What made it sell well was the fact that it was a good RPG. It would have sold just as well without it.
Fact - No they don't.
Fact - Genetic disorder, or however you want to phrase it. It is something that extensive genetic modification will have most likely removed. So your going to have very few homosexuals.
Possibility - Just because mankind is banging hot blue aliens doesn't mean the Systems Alliance does a "gay pride" parade every year.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 08 avril 2010 - 07:08 .

[casedawgz]

Heavensrun wrote...

finnithe wrote...

I like the characters the way they are. There doesn't have to be a token gay person just like there doesn't have to be a person of every race on the Normandy.

I'm going to assume that you're a white straight male.

We live in a time of relatively -incredible- tolerance (in the western world, anyway) where for the most part, gays are allowed to live their lives and be part of society relatively unmolested by homophobes and violent bigots.

60 years ago, you could be beaten to death for being gay, and the police would probably ignore it.

20 years ago, you could still get your butt kicked.  Things today are much, much better, but there is still a practice in hollywood and the game industry of deliberate exclusion.  Gays make up a small percentage of the population, yes, but there are over 20 people on the normandy.  Statistically, at least a couple of them should be gay.  Others might be open minded.  That's not tokenism, that's -representation-. 

It's also an established fact that Shep is the almighty badass of the universe.  It's not hard to imagine some open minded people being cool with bending their orientation around such a special case.  ;p

Going back to my assumption about your race/gender/prefference:

If the Normandy had a crew that was 70% female, would that seem odd to you?  What if everyone was black?  Would you feel excluded, as a white person, from a future where, with no apparent explanation, no one like you seems to be around?  Gay/Lesbian/straight gamers feel excluded from ME2.  There's nothing wrong with asking to be -included-.  None of us have gone around making unreasonable demands.  My only complaint, really, is with Bioware's obvious PR spin answers to the question.

Why is it that Female Shepard's sexuality is absolutely allowed to be flexed, (regardless of the status of asari gender, they look female, sound female, act female, and have female parts), and only a lesbian shepard would be attracted to Liara)  While male shepard's is "a fixed aspect of the character"?  Muzyka's answers are obvious PR spin for "we excluded gay males because we don't want to drive away our mainstream market.  In fact, once upon a time, that was what they actually -said-, and I was fine with that.  I find the BS excuses to be patronizing.  It irritates me.

While I in no way endorse homophobia, I do need to call you out on your statistics a little bit. Somewhere between 1 in 10 and 1 in 20 Americans are homosexual. This does not mean that you will, or are even likely to, find a representation of this in a random sample. Geographic distributions go a long way towards making a random group of 20 completely heterosexual. You're more likely to find homosexuality in San Francisco, than, say, El Paso. This is not me saying that people in El Paso are less likely to be born gay, because that is ludicrous. More like, people tend to choose their geographic location based on the search for like-minded individuals. I live in Massachusetts; I'm a liberal. Therefore, I'm not going to live in Mississippi. These geographic distributions are not omnipresent, but they do throw the statistics a bit and make it much less likely that you'll get a homosexual person in every batch of 10.

[Ryzaki]

RyrineaNara wrote...

ReconTeam:

Fact 1: Wong on all counts, since I looked up Yoai on the good old extranet it gets up too 6,100,000 hits with the word Yoai in it. Plus, Yoai Manga ever heard of that.

For your information. Yoai=Guy on Guy

Fact 2: They gave us a lame excuse

Yaoi

Sorry just a quirk of mine.

And Gravitation laughs at gay content makes no money excuse.

I'm sorry but Yaoi is a industry that makes money. May not be "billions" (I'm fairly certain its high in the millions tile however) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 avril 2010 - 07:09 .

[Russalka]

The problem isn't having no gay relationships. The problem is Bioware saying no, while there are obviously lesbian romance options available.

[KainrycKarr]

lol

[RyrineaNara]

SlimeGirm, you are not an anime fan I thin go type in the WORD YOAI in the search bar.



Yoai= GUY ON GUY

[KainrycKarr]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

catabuca wrote...

Masticetobbacco wrote...

women and homosexuals will always be a small minority of the community

Why the hell should they make gay relationships that appeal to 5% of the community. Most women here arent even women, but fat men or FBI agents, and homosexuals who play shooters are extremely rare.

gay relationships = do not want
lesbian relationships will be possible through save file diting

And while we're at it, let's see if we can get a community mod to turn Jacob white on the PC.

Signed, FBI infiltrator.

jacob was thrown into ME2 to fill in the nig.ga quota. Because ALL YOU HUMANS ARE RASCIST.
making him white would be lulz worthy

Basically going to report you based on your signature. A ****-styled swastika? seriously?

[RyrineaNara]

Ryzaki wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

ReconTeam:

Fact 1: Wong on all counts, since I looked up Yoai on the good old extranet it gets up too 6,100,000 hits with the word Yoai in it. Plus, Yoai Manga ever heard of that.

For your information. Yoai=Guy on Guy

Fact 2: They gave us a lame excuse

Yaoi

Sorry just a quirk of mine.

And Gravitation laughs at gay content makes no money excuse.

I'm sorry but Yaoi is a industry that makes money. May not be "billions" (I'm fairly certain its high in the millions tile however) 

lol I myself am guilty of that as well.   I'm proud to be call a Yaoi fan girl. :happy: That what you get for typing to fast, and not paying attention...

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 08 avril 2010 - 07:12 .

[Ryzaki]

Tirigon wrote...

Corehaven22 wrote...


You dont see gay relationships in Lord of the Rings (least I think you dont......hobbits....sigh), or Star Trek.  Its just not accepted on that level yet.   Im not sure it ever will be to that extent.  

LOL.

Of course there is homosexuality in LotR.

They always talk about how they love each other. Also, elves play a part. Come on, Legolas MUST be gay.
Not even to mention the awesome Frodo - Sam couple.

I always heard that joke. I never got the gay scenes. I mean sure there was some parts in the books but I didn't see anything in the movies. Or maybe I'm just dense.

Also shounen ai is pretty popular as well. (Tis merely romance and no sex BxB).


Also: There's already a 200+ page about the subject. OP go post there.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 avril 2010 - 07:13 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

RyrineaNara wrote...
Fact 1: Wong on all counts, since I looked up Yoai on the good old extranet it gets up too 6,100,000 hits with the word Yoai in it. Plus, Yoai Manga ever heard of that.

For your information. Yoai=Guy on Guy

Yeah and and that Japanese tenticle stuff is supposed to also be really popular. I don't want to see Mass Effect turn into some anime porn fetish simulator.

[catabuca]

casedawgz wrote...


While I in no way endorse homophobia, I do need to call you out on your statistics a little bit. Somewhere between 1 in 10 and 1 in 20 Americans are homosexual. This does not mean that you will, or are even likely to, find a representation of this in a random sample. Geographic distributions go a long way towards making a random group of 20 completely heterosexual. You're more likely to find homosexuality in San Francisco, than, say, El Paso. This is not me saying that people in El Paso are less likely to be born gay, because that is ludicrous. More like, people tend to choose their geographic location based on the search for like-minded individuals. I live in Massachusetts; I'm a liberal. Therefore, I'm not going to live in Mississippi. These geographic distributions are not omnipresent, but they do throw the statistics a bit and make it much less likely that you'll get a homosexual person in every batch of 10.

I'm on the left. I live in a city that has a large amount of far-right council representatives. Social mobility, and location mobility, is restricted by a lot of factors. You are right to point out that there are a lot of factors involved in who will be present in any sample, though.

However, it's a red herring in this debate. It really doesn't matter who or what you would expect to find in a random sample of 12 people in this game, because I'm pretty darned sure that I'm never going to find a Krogan in any random sample here on Earth As a fictitious game universe it's entirely arbitrary what ratio of 'types' you will find in any sample of people/creatures.

[illerianna]

I've said it before, I'll say it again.



If it's a PRE-DEFINED character game, why in the hell is it marketed as "an immersive open-ended storyline"*?



*Taken from the Steam description.



And FemShep and Liara. No, asexual is not a gender. Liara is feminine. Why is f/f accepted, but not m/m?



Oh, that's right, because you find gay EWWW. Good for you. Now, tell me this, and quit giving ambiguous bull**** answers. Either you fail at describing your product, or this is just an answer you pulled out of your ass, while trying to come up with a real response.







I can chose who I romance, if I save the Counsel, if I save Nhirali Bhatia's body, if I hand over Tali's evidence, if I KEEP A FREAKIN' COLLECTOR BASE, but god forbid I choose to be gay? If this is a pre-defined story, why in the hell am I allowed to make decisions like that?

[Ryzaki]

TBH we all as a group should be concerned with the whole: "We're trying to make this a Pg-13 action flick" nonsense.

That's not good.

Not good at all.



And here we are all arguing about M/M and F/F romance options and no one is going to care about the PG-13 nonsense until its too damn late. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 avril 2010 - 07:17 .

[RyrineaNara]

ReconTeam wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...
Fact 1: Wong on all counts, since I looked up Yoai on the good old extranet it gets up too 6,100,000 hits with the word Yoai in it. Plus, Yoai Manga ever heard of that.

For your information. Yoai=Guy on Guy

Yeah and and that Japanese tenticle stuff is supposed to also be really popular. I don't want to see Mass Effect turn into some anime porn fetish simulator.

Yet I am not looking for that too happen. I just want the gay community to have a option to have a relationship that is not consider an ASEXUAL relationship.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 08 avril 2010 - 07:16 .

[KainrycKarr]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

ReconTeam:

Fact 1: Wong on all counts, since I looked up Yoai on the good old extranet it gets up too 6,100,000 hits with the word Yoai in it. Plus, Yoai Manga ever heard of that.

For your information. Yoai=Guy on Guy

Fact 2: They gave us a lame excuse

Yaoi

Sorry just a quirk of mine.

And Gravitation laughs at gay content makes no money excuse.

I'm sorry but Yaoi is a industry that makes money. May not be "billions" (I'm fairly certain its high in the millions tile however) 

lol I myself am guilty of that as well.   I'm proud to be call a Yaoi fan girl. :happy: That what you get for typing to fast, and not paying attention...

See...here's where the anti-gay stuff for games comes into play.

A LOT of the "demand" comes from girls wanting to see guy/guy, or guys wanting to see girl/girl, rather than actual homosexuals.

I, personally, am all about choice for everyone, provided it's done well. However, as a straight white male, I obviously won't be too put out if they choose not to include gays in Mass Effect.

Girls have guys to be with, and vice versa...if it's actually the gay community itself requesting it, that's fine, but satisfying an attraction to seeing gays of your given opposite gender get it on seems....well. Not worth the resources.

[Siansonea]

ReconTeam wrote...

catabuca wrote...
Fact - Dragon Age has 'gay' and sold remarkably well. Gay sells. Games sell. Options and choice sells.
Fact - Yes they do.
Fact - Homosexuality is not a disease, there is nothing to cure, and you are a homophobic bigot and have been reported.
Possibility - if in the far future female humans are having sex with hot alien chicks then I'd say it's progressed sufficiently.

Because you are a homophobe you need reporting.

Reported?! LOL. Am I supposed to be worried? Or upset because I was called a *gasp* homophobe for not wanting gaymances in Mass Effect?

Fact -Gay did not make Dragon Age sell remarkably well. What made it sell well was the fact that it was a good RPG. It would have sold just as well without it.
Fact - No they don't.
Fact - Genetic disorder, or however you want to phrase it. It is something that extensive genetic modification will have most likely removed. So your going to have very few homosexuals.
Possibility - Just because mankind is banging hot blue aliens doesn't mean the Systems Alliance does a "gay pride" parade every year.

It appears you support eugenics, the genetic modification of humanity to remove 'undesirable' traits, is that fair to say? You should know before you answer that this topic is closely related to **** Germany and topics like ethnic cleansing. Undesirable traits are quite subjective, let us not forget. Not every variation from the standard template is a disease or a disorder, merely a variation.

And by virtue of your first fact, you argue that inclusion of homosexual content in ME2 DLC or ME3 shouldn't have an impact on sales. In that case, why not let those who want it, have it? Why is it so important for you that your Shepard not even have the possibility of establishing a homosexual romantic connection? Are you concerned that your Shepard will make choices against your will?

[KainrycKarr]

illerianna wrote...

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

If it's a PRE-DEFINED character game, why in the hell is it marketed as "an immersive open-ended storyline"*?

*Taken from the Steam description.

And FemShep and Liara. No, asexual is not a gender. Liara is feminine. Why is f/f accepted, but not m/m?

Oh, that's right, because you find gay EWWW. Good for you. Now, tell me this, and quit giving ambiguous bull**** answers. Either you fail at describing your product, or this is just an answer you pulled out of your ass, while trying to come up with a real response.



I can chose who I romance, if I save the Counsel, if I save Nhirali Bhatia's body, if I hand over Tali's evidence, if I KEEP A FREAKIN' COLLECTOR BASE, but god forbid I choose to be gay? If this is a pre-defined story, why in the hell am I allowed to make decisions like that?

Learn to read. They said they have pre-defined SOME choices, and basically given the skeletal outline of the character.

Nothing said was ambiguous. If steam's description seems inaccurate, that's Steam's problem, not Bioware's.

Get off your soapbox and put down the pitchforks.