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[catabuca]

ReconTeam wrote...

**** party eugenics involved mass murder and sterilization. I don't support any such initiative through those means. I don't believe removing genetic disorders and conditions through modern technology is comparable. Especially when you consider all sorts of nasty things like cancer have some amount of genetic probability linked with them. From the ME codex it appears that most people are genetically treated, possibly at an early stage of development before they are born. It may sound cruel to call things like autism or homosexuality "disorders" but I cannot imagine any parent choosing not to treat such conditions if possible.

And yes you do need limits, or somebody would decide that everybody must look like Mr. Clean, but we aren't talking about that.

Why not let those who want it have it? Becaues it detracts from useful development time that can be put towards other things, and because I am sick and tired of people acting like they are entitled to it from Bioware. It could also result in characters being made *cheaper* (everybody is bisexual!), and the general population would be better served by more weaponry options. As far as the "missing dialouge" goes it has already been stated that both the male and female Shepard voice actors say all the lines, regardless of if they are ever going to be used or not.

Who gets to decide if homosexuality should be 'cured'? Straight people? Ever thought homosexuals quite like being who they are? There is nothing to 'cure' here, because there is no disease. To argue otherwise merely shows up your ignorance.

[LiquidGrape]

Interesting factoid: the male G-spot (i.e the prostate gland) can only be reached by means of anal stimulation.

- No wonder it's called "gay". Imagine how much fun these people must have!

[Ryzaki]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Interesting factoid: the male G-spot (i.e the prostate gland) can only be reached by means of anal stimulation.
- No wonder it's called "gay". Imagine how much fun these people must have!

I guess Nature must have intended gay sex since that exists.

[illerianna]

Mistress9Nine wrote...

On topic, I hate this arguement they keep making. If they'd say "We
don't want to implement gay romances." that'd be fine. But to say that a
character that is open to interpretation from gender, to morals and all
that, but say that "Oh noes! Shepard isn't gay, he isn't written to be
gay!" is the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Masticetobbacco wrote...
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I just don't get one thing. If the mods don't mind your banner, how the hell is it that the site ****s the 4 letter n-word. It seems silly.

QFT.

I just simply do not get that explanation.

Say it, flat out, that you aren't implementing gay romances. The question-dodging of "PG-13" and "semi-pre-defined" is ignorant. Obviously they are afraid of the ****storm that would undoubtedly follow, so question-dodging is obviously the best way.

With that said, I do believe that there would be much less rage if they WOULD flat-out say, "no gay romances." The answers Casey Hudson and Ray Muzyka are giving are just irritating.

[Bucky_McLachlan]

Yo people take your discussion about the morality of homosexuality to off-topic where it belongs.



This is about the Bioware PR Machine telling us that allowing for a gay Shep would be break from their planned narrative and would break Shepard's character.



I mean they recorded all the dialogue for a gay Shepard/Alenko romance for ME1 and ME2. If their story all along required a straight male Shep, why'd they even bother to do that?



Can you take a guess?

[jlb524]

casedawgz wrote...

Gotta go with Kainy here. He's not being disrespectful. There's nothing wrong with it on a moral level, but it IS a genetic abnormality. Cyclops' eye beams are a genetic abnormality too, and those are awesome. People see the words "genetic abnormality" and immediatly think they're being insulted.

I have no problem with that, it's just 'nature' doesn't decide what is normal or abnormal...people do.

When people start to argue that 'nature intends <insert x> to be abnormal' I can't buy that.  Groups of people decide what is to be called 'normal' and what is to be called 'abnormal'.  Scientists, religious folk, government, etc.

[Siansonea]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Yes, they are unnatural acts.

For the love of god, I am not saying it's wrong. I am saying its NOT what was ORIGINALLY INTENDED.

It is a GENETIC ABNORMALITY. It's one of those things that just HAPPENS during evolution.

Quite being so flipping defensive. And, as I said, it is NOT detrimental to the survival of the species, because of how UNCOMMON it is.

My goal is not to be defensive, merely to clarify my viewpoint, and respond to input from others. I also wish to clarify your viewpoint, to avoid misunderstanding. Your statement that homosexual behavior and oral sex are unnatural has been stated, but stating that it is not what was originally intended presupposes the existence of a being to express said intent, presumably a deity. I may be misunderstanding this, you may simply be referring to 'nature' in this statement. Either way is fine, if that is what you wish to state, but it should be noted that the existence of a deity or similar entity has never been demonstrated unequivocally.

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Interesting factoid: the male G-spot (i.e the prostate gland) can only be reached by means of anal stimulation.
- No wonder it's called "gay". Imagine how much fun these people must have!

I guess Nature must have intended gay sex since that exists.

Don't tell them that...this will ruin their paper-thin argument. 

[Ryzaki]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Yo people take your discussion about the morality of homosexuality to off-topic where it belongs.

This is about the Bioware PR Machine telling us that allowing for a gay Shep would be break from their planned narrative and would break Shepard's character.

I mean they recorded all the dialogue for a gay Shepard/Alenko romance for ME1 and ME2. If their story all along required a straight male Shep, why'd they even bother to do that?

Can you take a guess?

The same abomination that censored the tasteful lovescenes from before.

That Ra blasted

CENSORSHIP.


*rage*

If it wasn't that the BW devs would have straight out said they didn't see Shepard's TEAMMATES yes Shep's TEAMMATES not Shepard himself because BW has said TIME AND TIME AGAIN that Shepard is YOUR Shepard. Personality traits and quirks and up to the PLAYER to decide. That Shep's Teammates were all strictly 100% heterosexual.

Not this only male shep is predetermined in his sexuality.

Or this Liara is not a female yet she must be one when sleeping with MShep so he can keep his 100% heterosexual trademark nonsense.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 avril 2010 - 07:55 .

[casedawgz]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Yo people take your discussion about the morality of homosexuality to off-topic where it belongs.

This is about the Bioware PR Machine telling us that allowing for a gay Shep would be break from their planned narrative and would break Shepard's character.

I mean they recorded all the dialogue for a gay Shepard/Alenko romance for ME1 and ME2. If their story all along required a straight male Shep, why'd they even bother to do that?

Can you take a guess?

That decision was made before the final product was released, when everything was still entirely in Bioware's hands. It's an authors right to make edits to their story before it is released commercially.

[Lamiea]

casedawgz wrote...
...but it IS a genetic abnormality...

Abnormalities and disorders are separate, distinct terms and should not be seen as synonymous - although I would still question the use as that is used for diseases or disorders that are inherited. Still, of the two proffered words that is the better (although neither are exactly right).

EDIT: 
It's much like what I addressed in my first post:

Lamiea wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...
I'm just saying that by nature, it is considered a disorder, abnormal, unnatural.

And yet that does not prove your "genetic disorder" argument and, instead, is nothing more than the oft-used, at least in these kinds of "debates," naturalistic fallacy. Also, by saying it is a , quote, "disorder" you have already made a moral Judgment as that term has a medical definition - this one: A genetic disorder is a disease, or illness, caused by a different form of a gene called a variation, or an alteration of a gene called a mutation. In other words, no, at the moment the scientific and medical communities would not agree with you when you say that homosexuality is a "genetic disorder" as it is not identified as an malady - please look up the meaning of the terms you're tossing around before posting.

Modifié par Lamiea, 08 avril 2010 - 07:54 .

[illerianna]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Yo people take your discussion about the morality of homosexuality to off-topic where it belongs.

This is about the Bioware PR Machine telling us that allowing for a gay Shep would be break from their planned narrative and would break Shepard's character.

I mean they recorded all the dialogue for a gay Shepard/Alenko romance for ME1 and ME2. If their story all along required a straight male Shep, why'd they even bother to do that?

Can you take a guess?

Yeah. There's some Fem!Shep and Ashley dialogue too, so the whole "Asari are asexual, therefore not lesbian" (which makes no sense in the first place) argument is invalid.

Like I said, the answers the PR Machine give us are being pulled out of their asses.

[Jackal904]

So you just want gay romances for hot lesbian sex? I'm sure BioWare will really take your post into consideration....

Modifié par Jackal904, 08 avril 2010 - 07:55 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

catabuca wrote...
Who gets to decide if homosexuality should be 'cured'? Straight people? Ever thought homosexuals quite like being who they are? There is nothing to 'cure' here, because there is no disease. To argue otherwise merely shows up your ignorance.

When you put it that way perhaps us "ignorant" straight people should get to decide. It doesn't benefit anybody else, it leads to all sorts of confrontation, at least half the world agrees that it is is immoral and wrong, it is a less than healthy practice, and if they are genetically treated they certainly won't miss being gay. What sort of parent would want their child to live as such? Not a very good one in my opinion.

Genetically treating it would be best for the individual and humanity as a whole. If I am ignorant by your standards for calling it is a see it, I don't give a damn.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Jackal904 wrote...

So you just want gay romances for hot lesbian sex? I'm sure BioWare will really take your post into consideration....

Given ME1 and 2, if that's all anyone wanted I'm sure Bioware would pay attention to that post.

[illerianna]

And...



Fem!Shep and Ashley.

[casedawgz]

ReconTeam wrote...

catabuca wrote...
Who gets to decide if homosexuality should be 'cured'? Straight people? Ever thought homosexuals quite like being who they are? There is nothing to 'cure' here, because there is no disease. To argue otherwise merely shows up your ignorance.

When you put it that way perhaps us "ignorant" straight people should get to decide. It doesn't benefit anybody else, it leads to all sorts of confrontation, at least half the world agrees that it is is immoral and wrong, it is a less than healthy practice, and if they are genetically treated they certainly won't miss being gay. What sort of parent would want their child to live as such? Not a very good one in my opinion.

Genetically treating it would be best for the individual and humanity as a whole. If I am ignorant by your standards for calling it is a see it, I don't give a damn.

That's what Hitler said about the Jews. 

[baller7345]

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Interesting factoid: the male G-spot (i.e the prostate gland) can only be reached by means of anal stimulation.
- No wonder it's called "gay". Imagine how much fun these people must have!

I guess Nature must have intended gay sex since that exists.

Don't tell them that...this will ruin their paper-thin argument. 

I don't think you are seeing their point, althtough they aren't wording as well as it could.  I have nothing against anyone who is gay and everyone has a right to do what they want but think of it like this, if everyone in the world was gay what would happen.

Assuming that the need for reproduction doesn't force a M/F relationship the species would die out.  This is where they are getting the genetic disorder part from.  From an evolutionary standpoint being gay is counter intuitive.  I believe that is the basis of their arguement.

[Ryzaki]

ReconTeam wrote...

catabuca wrote...
Who gets to decide if homosexuality should be 'cured'? Straight people? Ever thought homosexuals quite like being who they are? There is nothing to 'cure' here, because there is no disease. To argue otherwise merely shows up your ignorance.

When you put it that way perhaps us "ignorant" straight people should get to decide. It doesn't benefit anybody else, it leads to all sorts of confrontation, at least half the world agrees that it is is immoral and wrong, it is a less than healthy practice, and if they are genetically treated they certainly won't miss being gay. What sort of parent would want their child to live as such? Not a very good one in my opinion.

Genetically treating it would be best for the individual and humanity as a whole. If I am ignorant by your standards for calling it is a see it, I don't give a damn.

So everyone should exist for everyone else's benefit? Is that really what you're saying? I suppose we should kill the elderly and children without a home that aren't adopted. After all they're "benefiting" no one. How dare they exist. <_<

[jlb524]

Jackal904 wrote...

So you just want gay romances for hot lesbian sex? I'm sure BioWare will really take your post into consideration....

How is this any worse than males asking for more bewbs in general?  Or, a romance with every female squad mate that gets introduced by BW?

This is tame compared to half the crap that gets posted here.

[catabuca]

slimgrin wrote...

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Yo people take your discussion about the morality of homosexuality to off-topic where it belongs.

This is about the Bioware PR Machine telling us that allowing for a gay Shep would be break from their planned narrative and would break Shepard's character.

I mean they recorded all the dialogue for a gay Shepard/Alenko romance for ME1 and ME2. If their story all along required a straight male Shep, why'd they even bother to do that?

Can you take a guess?

Really? I did not know this.

Indeed. There are numerous vids on youtube with the evidence.

The argument that BW are quite within their rights to pull whatever content before release isn't under question here, because of course they are. The fact remains, they did write that stuff, get it acted, animated a bunch of it, and so at some point during the production cycle it was intended and planned to be in the game. That it didn't make it in the final product means nothing other than it was cut. Fans are still well within their rights to ask why, and are well within their rights to be miffed when they are given the run-around by a company that presumably wants us to be loyal and give them our money.

[Ryzaki]

baller7345 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Interesting factoid: the male G-spot (i.e the prostate gland) can only be reached by means of anal stimulation.
- No wonder it's called "gay". Imagine how much fun these people must have!

I guess Nature must have intended gay sex since that exists.

Don't tell them that...this will ruin their paper-thin argument. 

I don't think you are seeing their point, althtough they aren't wording as well as it could.  I have nothing against anyone who is gay and everyone has a right to do what they want but think of it like this, if everyone in the world was gay what would happen.

Assuming that the need for reproduction doesn't force a M/F relationship the species would die out.  This is where they are getting the genetic disorder part from.  From an evolutionary standpoint being gay is counter intuitive.  I believe that is the basis of their arguement.

And if everyone else was straight and reproducing we'd have ridculous overpopulation issues.

That's why for the most part its a mix. You need to balance the scales. Too much on any side and everything collapses.