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[Forteg]

I think the Morrigan story will lead up to a big DLC/Expansion or even another game, i dont think Bioware would be grim enough to not carry on with Morrigan after leaving us all those cliffhangers with the child and why she left

[Dragon Nostril]

Obviously because she's female, independant and out for her own ends.

But it always worried me why she offered to get the grey wardens out of the sacrifice thing because Morrigan just does not do charity.

I bet the child never experiences breast feeding and ends up in a kids club from a very early age.

[weyrleader]

Forteg wrote...

I think the Morrigan story will lead up to a big DLC/Expansion or even another game, i dont think Bioware would be grim enough to not carry on with Morrigan after leaving us all those cliffhangers with the child and why she left

Agreed.  That would just be, ummm, CRUEL?!?!?  Plus, I'd love to see what my "half-elf" child with the soul of an old god might look like! )))  Bet he/she gets the looks of her mother.  Hope so, anyway! lol!

[darkmax1974]

in DA lore, the child will be completely human.

[sylvanaerie]

dream_operator23 wrote...

leave forever and tell you never to follow her? She does this even if she loves you.  I always assume she has bad things planned because of this.  I don't know why she wouldn't want to have you around, or at least see you again sometimes unless she didn't want you to find out what she is going to do with your child.  That is my interpretation anyway.  What do you all think?

Well if you get Alistair to do the ritual he asks if she plans on using this demon child to plague him/Ferelden in the future and assures him she doesn't.  On that I think she is being honest.  But yes there are too many variables in this and she isn't always honest with the PC.  Particularly I find her deceit infuriating if she is romanced.  She was expecting a fling with the WC and then getting the child she wants and skipping out lalalalala and never expecting she might have feelings for him.  I actually started a HNM to romance her then quit in the middle.  I couldn't go through with it but I was going to romance her then refuse her at the end.

There is the whole Flemeth angle too.  Is Morrigan doing her mother's bidding or is she operating on her own when she tells the PC not to follow her?  Too many what ifs and Flemeth being an immortal has too many centuries to plan whatever she does AND she seems to have the gift of precognition.  (She didn't seem at all surprised to see my PC confronting her at her hut in the middle of the game sans Morrigan).  What if ALL of this was a plan to get Flemeth an Old God soul/body whatever so she won't have to possess Morrigan.  And if Morrigan still planned on using the child for self preservation she wouldn't want you knowing she was going to hand it over to Flemeth.  Or perhaps she was attempting to run and hide with the baby to use for her own purposes (she DOES have Flemeth's grimoire now assuming you did Morrigan's companion quest). 

[darkmax1974]

Dragon Nostril wrote...

Obviously because she's female, independant and out for her own ends.
But it always worried me why she offered to get the grey wardens out of the sacrifice thing because Morrigan just does not do charity.
I bet the child never experiences breast feeding and ends up in a kids club from a very early age.

What is it about Morrigan that ticks some of you off so much? Because she is a prude, a ****, or a self-serving self centred witch (literally)?

If you took the time to romance her, you will have realized she was raised and instilled with the instincts of an animalistic survivor. That does not make her evil, just socially challenged. You would be too, if you were raised by Flemeth.

However, I do have a speculation. Could Flemeth and Morrigan have been in contact with the Architect? If Flemeth taught Morrigan about the dark ritual, couldn't she have done the same with a Grey Warden in the last Blight? And the dark ritual seems to produce an off-spring of tainted blood with an old god's soul.... sounds familiar? Sounds like what the Architect has been trying to do, no?

[MutantSpleen]

Dragon Nostril wrote...

But it always worried me why she offered to get the grey wardens out of the sacrifice thing because Morrigan just does not do charity.

Because she needed the soul of the old god. The ritual made it so it would go into her baby not the Warden. (That is what kills the Warden normally) The Warden surviving where they usually die was just a bonus that she used to sell her plan to the Wardens.

[sylvanaerie]

darkmax1974 wrote...

Dragon Nostril wrote...

Obviously because she's female, independant and out for her own ends.
But it always worried me why she offered to get the grey wardens out of the sacrifice thing because Morrigan just does not do charity.
I bet the child never experiences breast feeding and ends up in a kids club from a very early age.

What is it about Morrigan that ticks some of you off so much? Because she is a prude, a ****, or a self-serving self centred witch (literally)?

If you took the time to romance her, you will have realized she was raised and instilled with the instincts of an animalistic survivor. That does not make her evil, just socially challenged. You would be too, if you were raised by Flemeth.

However, I do have a speculation. Could Flemeth and Morrigan have been in contact with the Architect? If Flemeth taught Morrigan about the dark ritual, couldn't she have done the same with a Grey Warden in the last Blight? And the dark ritual seems to produce an off-spring of tainted blood with an old god's soul.... sounds familiar? Sounds like what the Architect has been trying to do, no?

But Garahel died when the last Blight ended and while she could be lying Morrigan said she was trying to preserve the Old God's soul free of the taint (I guess whatever voodoo she did would remove it between conception/soulcapture and delivery or raising?)  As for Flemeth being in contact with the Architect, I would put NOTHING past that woman at all.  I wouldn't be surprised if she knew where the other two Old Gods are even.

[MutantSpleen]

I am wondering if the "demon" in Flemeth is actually the soul of an old god. (As she can turn into a high dragon.) Perhaps this was done in the past? Maybe she is trying to save the other old gods.

[sylvanaerie]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I am wondering if the "demon" in Flemeth is actually the soul of an old god. (As she can turn into a high dragon.) Perhaps this was done in the past? Maybe she is trying to save the other old gods.

Could be, I wouldn't put ANYthing past Flemeth.  Who's to say thats Garahel's body in that tomb anyway? Or that he slew the Archdemon at all? Also it could be he really is dead but people seeing him die at the moment of slaying would think he did but if Flemeth just casted a silent but deadly and invisible spell at him at that moment...Maybe Morrigan is attempting to pull a Flemeth if this is the case? But as she isn't as coldly ruthless as Flemeth couldn't go through with killing the PC/Alistair/Loghain at the moment of the slaying.

I too found it strange that Flemeth chose a dragon form in the fight (that's most certainly NOT an animal) but she is capable of strange powers and it is a shapeshifting spell.  Morrigan says that she studies forms and assumes them.  Its why she can't assume another human shape since she IS human and would gain nothing from studying other humans to assume their shape.  When the HELL would Flemeth have had an opportunity to study a dragon??? Aye too many variables there and that's one crafty old witch of the wilds.

What if the entire purpose of the ritual was not to keep the child but to use a child to capture the Old God's soul and put in inside Morrigan?  Magical voodoo can do a lot, perhaps she had no intention of delivering a child (can YOU imagine Morrigan as a mother?  /shudder). Perhaps a tainted fetus was required as part of the material component of the spell but the real ritual transfers the soul to Morrigan instead.  Could explain why you won't see her.  Though her epilogue card if you do the DR does say a woman fitting her description was seen and she may even be with child...but that's vague at best.  I dunno.  They are both too secretive.

"Makes my nose twitch" as Daveth would say.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 07 avril 2010 - 02:16 .

[GehnTheGrey]

There is alot of specualtion about Morrigan and Flemeth being part of the Dragon Cult. You get a Codex on it somewhere in the Sacred Ashes temple (this adding to the connection between them). It is also said that to become a member of the Dragon Cult, you must imbibe the Blood of a Dragon, and that this almost always causes a physical change in the individual. Morrigan's eyes have been a possible suggestion as to her change. It's a given that Flemeth is most deffinitely centuries old. So she may well have been alive when Dragons were more numerous in the lands. I believe Morrigan explains at some point to the PC that in order to be able to shape change into another creature you must not only study, but live as they do, for a time. So perhaps this is how Flemeth managed her High Dragon transformation. Either way, that Transformation MUST be a clue as to what she is truly about. Gaider and the team of writers are great, so whatever the case turns out to be, I bet it will be enthralling!

[Caldarin V]

dream_operator23 wrote...

If Morrigan and/or Flemeth are just trying to save the remaining old gods, then I think I can get behind that. There is no way to know that though. The whole thing is just too shady for my tastes. Morrigan doesn't ever come out and tell you what she is going to do and that bodes ill to me.

I mean she expects quite a lot from you. First to give her something so powerful and then to expect you to never again think of her or the child. I know a lot of people do the DR so they and their loved ones can survive, but I never do it unless I absolutely need Morrigan with me at the last battle. She is willing to be as manipulative and devious as possible to get you to concede to the DR and so this means a lot to her. And yet she expects you never to wonder or try to find out why this means so much to her and what her plans are.

Since the cannonical ending is that Alistiar becomes king with Anora , and you do the dark ritual, I'm pretty sure the next game is going to center around Morrigan's baby and how your Warden, by shirking his/her duty to save themselves (or the one they love) is going to bode ill for the rest of the world

I mean think about it, there's a reason the Old Gods need to be destroyed

Modifié par Caldarin V, 07 avril 2010 - 02:47 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

There is no canon.

[Caldarin V]

I think there is, since if you make an Orlesian Warden in Awakening, that's who's king/queen

[sylvanaerie]

Caldarin V wrote...

I think there is, since if you make an Orlesian Warden in Awakening, that's who's king/queen

But that still doesn't assume you did the DR, even if Alistair is alive, the original PC could be dead.  Besides I could fit a Mack truck through the amount of plot holes in that expansion.  Starting with the handwave of the dead PC being alive actually in it

[Dragon Nostril]

Such a lot of speculation regarding Morrigan's resurgence in a later DA.

I do so hope it happens one way or another.

There are so many intriguing possibilities but I would be saddened if she returned as a foe

[RazorrX]

If Morrigan had the soul of an old god in her child, she would become the PERFECT vessel for Flemeth to possess. Morrigan even mentions that the more powerful the host the easier it is for Flemeth to settle in. I think the reason Morrigan is 'running' off with the child is to escape Flemeth. You killed her corporeal form, not her.



The comic that David did with Aimo shows that Morrigan is not happy about the ritual, but it is the only way she can save you. http://blog.bioware....velation-comic/



That makes me think that Morrigan was sacrificing herself to save you, and fleeing was her way of trying to keep ahead of Flemeth. Or maybe the Flemeth thing is not quite what you think. Maybe when Morrigan takes the old god into her child she sets the possession by Flemeth into place.



So I do not think that the "Dark Child" is going to be a major thing in the next DA, it could be, but most likely not. You did not 'shirk' your duty, you ended the blight.

[Addai]

She says she plans to raise the child apart from the rest of society, and I believe that is why she leaves. Anyway, what place would she have if she stayed in Ferelden? Unless she becomes a Warden, she'll be hunted as an apostate, and the child would either die or *shudder* be raised by the Chantry.

Modifié par Addai67, 07 avril 2010 - 03:25 .

[Masticetobbacco]

Both Flemeth and morrigan are not to be trusted. I left Flemet's body alive, so she can deal with morrigan and her demon baby.



Whoever wins, kill the surviving woman and the baby

[Caldarin V]

dream_operator23 wrote...

While I don't think it is shirking your duty to do the DR (you do stop the Blight after-all), I do think it is irresponsible since you really have no idea what you just did (and yes, I know there are people that disagree, just my personal opinion here).

I actually like Morrigan and want to think the best of her, but when she flat out refuses to tell you what she will do with the child and then tells you to never see her again...well she obviously isn't getting pregnant because she always wanted to knit pink booties. And even if she tells Alistair she isn't going to use the child to take over Fereldan, that still leaves a lot of not quite good things (to put it mildly) that could be done.

That's entirely my point, you're putting your own life above doing what you KNOW will work to destroy an Old God
I personally trust Morrigan overall, I'm just not sure if she knows what she's getting into. Especially since the Old Gods are inherently evil to begin with, unleashing one on the world sans the taint isn't much better

[Addai]

Caldarin V wrote...
Especially since the Old Gods are inherently evil to begin with, unleashing one on the world sans the taint isn't much better

Only according to the Chantry.

[Brockololly]

I'm intrigued where they are going to take Morrigan's storyline... the fact that they've got the whole "magic" angle combined with the fact that we know next to nothing as fact about Morrigan, Flemeth and the Old Gods means the writers could really go anywhere with this plot. Its definitely the aspect of DA that I am most looking forward to see continued in any future expansions/sequels.

I just hope that we start to get some solid answers to some of the questions raised in Origins- I get that they want to keep the lore kind of subjective and all, but you can only throw in so many wishy washy explanations before it gets frustrating- eventually we'll need some sort of payoff for the whole Old Gods thing, I hope.