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Does the new Locust SMG make assault rifles redundant for non soldier characters?


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mosor

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I heard the locust is strong, and accurate at a distance. Haven't tried it out yet, but if it is, do you guys think sniper rifle training would be better than assault?

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The Locust has 20 bullets per clip, deadly accuracy and a good reload time. Only does good damage vs shields & kinetic barriers though, unlike the Assault rifle which does good against all types. You can remedy it with Inferno Rounds though.



All in all, Locust can be a perfect substitute for an Assault Rifle in the right hands. It's overpowered imo. You could just stick to the assault rifle for convenience sake though, but other than that, not really any reason to choose the assault rifle over the Locust, especially with all the upgrades for the SMG.

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incinerator950

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A little too good, but expecting a rare weapon like the Locust, plus the fact Bioware probably didn't want to risk a larger criticism scandal because everyone got a new SMG that was already redundant.



However, I still prefer my Collector Assault Rifle, and I've been using an Adept.

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DOYOURLABS

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I unlocked snipers for my vanguard so I could take out scions. The locust I use as an assault rifle for anything else because of the accuracy.

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It seems to have about the same range and accuracy as the Vindicator, but not quite the same damage output. Whether that makes it a good substitute depends on what you use the assault rifle for. I'm... somewhat tempted to do another Vanguard playthrough and get the Claymore instead of the assault rifle this time, anyway.

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I think the Vindicator is still a strong choice for the Adept, Engineer and Sentinel, able to put out great damage in short bursts and allowing you to take cover in between. Both the Vindicator and Locust have ammo counts a little on the low side, and you can run low if either is used too frequently. Having both of them together eliminates this weakness. Moreover, using a sniper rifle on a caster class is a bit awkward due to the way you zoom in any time an ability is used from cover.



Also, while the Locust is excellent and pretty much EXACTLY what I wanted in an SMG for my Infiltrator and Sentinel, I do believe there's still room in this game for the other SMGs. Well, the Tempest anyway. Not so sure about the Shuriken. The Tempest I feel does less dps, but much more damage per clip, which overall gives it better damage over time because of much less reloading. It also has a metric crapton more ammo. So it might still be preferably to take the Vindicator or Collector AR for long range, and keep the Tempest for short range work.

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spacehamsterZH

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I always find it strange how many people here prefer the Tempest over the Shuriken. Its poor accuracy makes it entirely useless to me. Maybe it's because I've only played soldiers and vanguards, so I have shotguns for the range where the Tempest would be useful, and the SMG is more something to fall back on when I run out of assault rifle ammo to me. I dunno. But I hate the Tempest.

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Marionetten

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It certainly makes for a nice substitute on my Adept. Hopefully the next DLC will contain a new Heavy Pistol and I'll be all set as far as weapons go.

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Fine by me if it replaces the assault rifle. My infiltrator always took the Widow anyway.

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OniGanon

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I didn't really notice the Shuriken being more accurate than the Tempest. Actually I thought it was the other way around.

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OniGanon wrote...
. Moreover, using a sniper rifle on a caster class is a bit awkward due to the way you zoom in any time an ability is used from cover.


yeah, they should have fixed that, very annoying.

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FenixFire wrote...

The Locust has 20 bullets per clip, deadly accuracy and a good reload time. Only does good damage vs shields & kinetic barriers though, unlike the Assault rifle which does good against all types. You can remedy it with Inferno Rounds though.

All in all, Locust can be a perfect substitute for an Assault Rifle in the right hands. It's overpowered imo. You could just stick to the assault rifle for convenience sake though, but other than that, not really any reason to choose the assault rifle over the Locust, especially with all the upgrades for the SMG.


You do realize that Kinetic Barriers and Shields are the exact same thing?

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MaaZeus

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Yes and no. Tempest is/seems bit more powerfull on pointblank rnage, and has more bullets, but as you know its very inaccurate and ineffective over medium ranges. Locust is crazy accurate even in long distances. A good substitute for Vindicator, and has twice more ammo. Lack of ammo in Vindicator frustrates me. Vindicator is still more powerfull though against pretty much everything, but locust will do just fine against unarmored targets. Armored can be taken down with Hand Cannon and Warp (if playing adept or squadmate has it) if you so wish.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 07 avril 2010 - 08:34 .


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I like the Tempest over the Shuriken for my infiltrator, as she'll close to pointblank range while cloaked, then open up. Accuracy isn't an issue there, and for medium range, I'd use the pistol. Playing around with the Locust, it does good damage, but the ammo restriction means that I can't always kill someone with one clip. On the other hand, it's much more accurate at medium range. Ideally, I would prefer to have it AND the Tempest, but as it stands the Locust seems a bit more versatile.

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swk3000 wrote...

FenixFire wrote...

The Locust has 20 bullets per clip, deadly accuracy and a good reload time. Only does good damage vs shields & kinetic barriers though, unlike the Assault rifle which does good against all types. You can remedy it with Inferno Rounds though.

All in all, Locust can be a perfect substitute for an Assault Rifle in the right hands. It's overpowered imo. You could just stick to the assault rifle for convenience sake though, but other than that, not really any reason to choose the assault rifle over the Locust, especially with all the upgrades for the SMG.


You do realize that Kinetic Barriers and Shields are the exact same thing?


They probably ment to type BIOTIC barriers.

Also the locust is a very good gun. It goes with my vindicator like butter on bread. The vindicator does more damage but has a low clip size. So when it's out I can pull out the locus so I can still pull off head shots while doing good damage. I use it until I have enough ammo for my vindicator.

Modifié par CodyMelch, 08 avril 2010 - 04:57 .


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RyuGuitarFreak

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Nah. It doesn't do damage nearly as big as ARs. I would say that it only replaces ARs for Infiltrators. The rest is better to get ARs proficiency on Collector ship anyway.

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While I'm hoping that the next DLC has an heavy pistal, I'm also hoping for a better assault rifle for non soldiers.... lets face it while the vindicator is a good weapon its a pain in the ass for non combat types (adepts and engineers) it seems to make my fights last a lot longer.

If you don't have the pre-order collectors armor and weapon your kind of out of luck other than the pulse rifle and no one really uses the pulse rifle.



The locust is insane though, it eats shields like they are candy.... and its a lot more accurate than the others of its class, I am loving that gun so far.

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Roxlimn

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Lots of people use the Pulse Rifle. I do.

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Atmosfear3

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Honestly, the Tempest and Locust have both their respective weaknesses and strengths depending on class.



With my Infiltrator, on missions where I expect to face lots of enemies in close-mid range (i.e. husks, Legion's loyalty mission, etc), the Tempest out-shines the Locust by lots. Its so much more useful to have the bigger clip so that your ammo powers apply and sustain their CC effects more consistently (i.e. disruptor ammo vs geth, squad cryo vs husks).



On missions that involve mid-long range encounters, the Locust is much more beneficial with its accuracy.