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[crimzontearz]

 Mordin's student in his loyalty says thst Mordin wrote a paper about loss of higher cognitive functions in brainwashed individuals...he specifies that the good doctor wrote also about reaper indoctrination. So...the salarians know and believe they exist (at least the stg) but allow the council to just be as thick headed as they are? REALLY? the Salarians....they win wars through awesome intel and pre emptive strikes and they let this one go like this? Or is Shepard getting shafted because he works for Cerberus and the council does not trust him anymore with the real intel? BAH.....

[Bigdoser]

Why do you think that the salarian counciler is with shepard most of the time?

[The Governator]

You know...it's almost as if Bioware is secretly making us a 'find the plot hole' game. I love the games, but man alive, more story editing needed.

[Cyvian]

That's funny, I never heard him saying that. Gonna have to go and check...

[tom.bleaker]

I think the Council is afraid of the mass panic that revealing the Reapers to the council races would cause. It's a bit like announcing that everyone is doomed and expecting people to behave rationally.

[crimzontearz]

Bigdoser wrote...


Why do you think that the salarian counciler is with shepard most of the time?

he is...... but he still is on board with the rest of the thick-headedness

[The Illusive Paragon]

One word.

Politics

[crimzontearz]

Cyvian wrote...


That's funny, I never heard him saying that. Gonna have to go and check...

he says it when you argue that he could be brainwashed

[Pacifien]

Mordin might have written about reaper indoctrination, but that doesn't mean the wider community took it seriously. If you ask Avina on the Citadel about the reapers, she will say there are speculations about the threat, so obviously people are talking about it.

[crimzontearz]

Pacifien wrote...


Mordin might have written about reaper indoctrination, but that doesn't mean the wider community took it seriously. If you ask Avina on the Citadel about the reapers, she will say there are speculations about the threat, so obviously people are talking about it.

she says the only reference to Reapers are found in prehistoric extinction cycles theories

[Pacifien]

crimzontearz wrote...
she says the only reference to Reapers are found in prehistoric extinction cycles theories

Bah. She's a virtual government stooge anyway, what does she know.

[JThompson6577]

I'm telling you, the Turians are going to side with the Reapers en masse in ME 3.

[Lord Coake]

Bigdoser wrote...

Why do you think that the salarian counciler is with shepard most of the time?

This.  The Salarians are likely preparing for something nasty to occur, but as to the Reaper threat Shep talks of, right now theres more evidence that doesn't support it well than backs it up completely.  As the audiance, we know whats happening, but as the leaders on site, the Council doesn't have all the information we have.

The Salarian councilor acts like he knows Shep is on to something, and that something is of galactic importance, but as a representative of one the the galaxy's more influencial races, he can't give full support unless he knows dammed well that Sheps nightmare scenario is indeed accurate.

But when that information is finally available, I expect the Salarian councilor to flat out come down on the others if they keep ****footing around.  REmemeber, Salarians don't roll the dire like humans do.  They gather information and make a measured, precise response that 99% of the time is spot on and devastating.

They're not quick to massive action, but when they get the intel they need, they move fast and hard.

I can't really read the Asari councilor's stance, but the Turian needs to be flat out sent home in discrase.  Ignoring information just because you dislike the source is not something political leaders, or any sort of leader at all for that matter, is allowed to do.

Anderson is a little too much on Shepard's side.  Showing support is one thing, but Anderson is a little too friendly with Shepard and open to her information for the other Councilors to take him at face value.  Honestly, it's a newbie mistake made by a novice political leader.  However, if he lives, he'll learn.

Udina is an air-theiving waste of space and flesh.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 07 avril 2010 - 04:13 .

[megatron999]

I reckon in ME3 that the council knew all along about the reapers and either created some kind of weapon to kill them or are planning to negotiate with them by letting them take out trouble/rogue states such as the Batarians and Geth etc...



The Geth may decide its in there best interests to ally with the Reapers but not the turians why would they?

[Daewan]

Lord Coake wrote...

I can't really read the Asari councilor's stance, but the Turian needs to be flat out sent home in discrase.  Ignoring information just because you dislike the source is not something political leaders, or any sort of leader at all for that matter, is allowed to do.

What?  What planet are you from?  People here do that all the time.  I'm pretty sure the first cavemen did it.  "Ugh.  Zog say much snow come.  Me hate Zog.  We stay here.  Zog and his women can walk north if want.  We stay here, hunt all winter.  Ugh."

[Bigdoser]

Lord Coake wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Why do you think that the salarian counciler is with shepard most of the time?

This.  The Salarians are likely preparing for something nasty to occur, but as to the Reaper threat Shep talks of, right now theres more evidence that doesn't support it well than backs it up completely.  As the audiance, we know whats happening, but as the leaders on site, the Council doesn't have all the information we have.

The Salarian councilor acts like he knows Shep is on to something, and that something is of galactic importance, but as a representative of one the the galaxy's more influencial races, he can't give full support unless he knows dammed well that Sheps nightmare scenario is indeed accurate.

But when that information is finally available, I expect the Salarian councilor to flat out come down on the others if they keep ****footing around.  REmemeber, Salarians don't roll the dire like humans do.  They gather information and make a measured, precise response that 99% of the time is spot on and devastating.

They're not quick to massive action, but when they get the intel they need, they move fast and hard.

I can't really read the Asari councilor's stance, but the Turian needs to be flat out sent home in discrase.  Ignoring information just because you dislike the source is not something political leaders, or any sort of leader at all for that matter, is allowed to do.

Anderson is a little too much on Shepard's side.  Showing support is one thing, but Anderson is a little too friendly with Shepard and open to her information for the other Councilors to take him at face value.  Honestly, it's a newbie mistake made by a novice political leader.  However, if he lives, he'll learn.

Udina is an air-theiving waste of space and flesh.

I think the asari councilor is on the fence if you get evidence that the reapers exist she will believe it. If not she will deny it.

[cruc1al]

crimzontearz wrote...

 Mordin's student in his loyalty says thst Mordin wrote a paper about loss of higher cognitive functions in brainwashed individuals...he specifies that the good doctor wrote also about reaper indoctrination. So...the salarians know and believe they exist (at least the stg) but allow the council to just be as thick headed as they are? REALLY? the Salarians....they win wars through awesome intel and pre emptive strikes and they let this one go like this? Or is Shepard getting shafted because he works for Cerberus and the council does not trust him anymore with the real intel? BAH.....

Obviously the Salarians are so well-informed that they just know Shepard is going to beat the Reapers in ME3. They see no reason to interfere.

[NuclearBuddha]

Lord Coake wrote...

Udina is an air-theiving waste of space and flesh.

C'mon, LC, tell us how you really feel.

[tom.bleaker]

JThompson6577 wrote...

I'm telling you, the Turians are going to side with the Reapers en masse in ME 3.

Why exactly? Their common fashion sense?

[Koen Casier]

Shameless Thread Plug 
Off course they know, they are probably even manipulating Shepard thru Cerberus see the last part of:
Wild Speculation: Cerberus; a salarian conspiracy? 

[Ecael]

Pacifien wrote...

Mordin might have written about reaper indoctrination, but that doesn't mean the wider community took it seriously. If you ask Avina on the Citadel about the reapers, she will say there are speculations about the threat, so obviously people are talking about it.

I agree with Pacifien.

Galileo Galilei: The earth revolves around the sun! <_<

Everyone else:

Modifié par Ecael, 07 avril 2010 - 04:43 .

[Lemonwizard]

I always thought it was silly that they maintain Saren was playing Shepard. If Saren were able to decide what the VI on Ilos said, why would he also program that VI to give him the data file that completely foiled his plan?

[The RPGenius]

I always got the feeling that the Salarian and even Asari fully believe Shepard, but can only support him/her to a limited capacity. They're stuck in an awkward place--they know Shepard's right, but they can't just announce to the galaxy that there's a civilization-dooming apocalypse around the corner. It's not even a question of keeping the public in the dark just for the sake of convenience (though I don't deny that would probably happen anyway)--a mass panic would weaken interspecies solidarity, and cause enough social difficulties across Council space that preparing countermeasures against the Reapers would be more difficult than ever. As long as they publicly acknowledge that enemies exist that CAN be defeated--like the Geth--they can build up as much security and firepower as possible, supposedly to use against the publicly acknowledged foes. In addition, as the Asari councilor notes, Shepard's joined up with Cerberus. Regardless of Shepard's intentions and even Cerberus's intentions, that constitutes working for the enemy of galactic cooperation, at least in the public's eye. They can't defend or get behind someone who does that in any significant way. It's probably already difficult for them to justify letting a person recommended by a now Cerberus agent join the council.

Honestly, the council's willingness to keep Shepard as a Spectre officially and just ask him/her not to do major Cerberus work where they have jurisdiction really is pretty significant. It's them saying that they trust Shepard's doing something important, and that they also trust him/her enough to want him/her back when Shepard's done with Cerberus. Without saying as much, they make it clear that the doors are open for Shepard's return when it's politically possible. And that, without saying as much, tells me that the Council does support Shepard and believe him. That's the real trick with the Council--you need to look at what they're DOING, what they're IMPLYING, more than what they're saying. As in the book Revelation, what they officially do and say are only clever masks for what they truly believe and wish done. Each time they tell Shepard no, they nonetheless point out the path to how to get what Shepard wants.



TL;DR Version: The Salarians know, the council knows, and even when they publicly stonewall Shepard they still subtly point him/her in the right direction.