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[The Angry One]

Yeah what's with the "Oh yeah baby" look you give Shiala, regardless of your LI status?

I know Shepard is apparently the only sexually eligible person in the galaxy but damn, show some restraint.

[Collider]

imported_beer wrote...

Collider wrote...

Big role in ME3 (Ashley, Kaidan, Liara) =/= Seeing them once and maybe getting a reunion.

Think about it this way. Saren had a big role in ME1. How many times did you see him?

On Eden Prime
In the Citadel
On Virmire
In Ilos
In the Citadel
=/=1
Not to mention the entire game was ABOUT Saren. Since Kaidan and Ashley are obviously not Saren nor villains, doesn't feel comparable.

[taigin]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah what's with the "Oh yeah baby" look you give Shiala, regardless of your LI status?
I know Shepard is apparently the only sexually eligible person in the galaxy but damn, show some restraint.

Haha yes. If ME2 has done something it's giving me this jrpg feeling about my Shep. There are so many situations where i'm going "what are you doing?? what are you saying???" It creates a certain distance to Shep I didn't experience in Me1.

Modifié par taigin, 08 avril 2010 - 02:40 .

[Wrathra]

imported_beer wrote...

Collider wrote...

Not to mention the entire game was ABOUT Saren. Since Kaidan and Ashley are obviously not Saren nor villains, doesn't feel comparable.

You are making complete sense, but I have not followed the entire "have a big role in ME3" news so I have no idea about the context about which you speak. ME2 was not even a game I was planning to buy so I never followed the info stream.

Who said they'd have a big role?

I think it was Casey when he was talking about why they couldn't be squadmates in ME2, it was because they were supposed to stay alive for their "big" role in ME3.

[Collider]

Bioware said that the ME1 love interests were sidelined so they would survive to ME3 for big roles. They also said that there will consequences if you cheated on them. If the romance does not continue either way, then what consequences would there be?

[syllogi]

Here's what Casey Hudson said in the Best Buy Developer's Chat about ME1 love interests, before ME2 came out:

WhisperPiano: By now, we are aware that most of the characters from the first game have been given greatly reduced roles, including the three potential love interests. While the new crew is intriguing, many of us are irked by what appears to be a disregard for the personal subplots through which each of our Shepards' stories were individualized. My question is: wil those of us who choose to have our Shepards remain faithful to one of the original romance options be able to come away as satisfied with the roma...

CaseyH-ME2: WhisperPiano - this is an interesting question that we see a lot. Here's our take...

CaseyH-ME2: While Mass Effect fans have grown to love our characters, you can imagine that after spending years crafting them, we have at least as much of an attachment to them. So it's definitely not a case of the team disregarding player's decisions with them or interest in those characters - in fact, it's the opposite...

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

CaseyH-ME2: Another important thing to consider is that much of the fun of ME1 was the discovery of new people and places. If we made ME2 out of the same characters, you'd miss out of the fun of that discovery.

CaseyH-ME2: Finally, if you are worried about the role of the ME1 love interest in the trilogy, consider that the romance itself is told across the trilogy, in 3 acts. Apply the 3-act concept to what's happening in your relationship with them, and you might guess where we're going with it.

CaseyH-ME2: The real challenge is that many people will be unfaithful to their ME1 love interest because the ones in ME2 are really compelling.

...So, obviously Casey wasn't counting Jacob when he thought that many people would be unfaithful to the compelling new love interests...

[Loki330]

Jack Package wrote...
The other way round would be good: first neutral, then IF you choose to pursue a romance,  a slightly more ****ty way of talking.

hm, the whole discussion is going off topic. But since off topic it is, I'll ask something random.
The eye colour, is it a standard colour or is your redhead a renegade without the stupid scars?

I'd guess eyecolour. There's a way to get the scars and glowing eyes (you can even have a paragon with scars and glowing eyes) or glowing scars if you edit files.

[GodWood]

Look I love Bioware and all but I wouldn't trust half the **** that comes out of Casey's mouth.

[Jack Package]

Loki330 wrote...

Jack Package wrote...
The other way round would be good: first neutral, then IF you choose to pursue a romance,  a slightly more ****ty way of talking.

hm, the whole discussion is going off topic. But since off topic it is, I'll ask something random.
The eye colour, is it a standard colour or is your redhead a renegade without the stupid scars?

I'd guess eyecolour. There's a way to get the scars and glowing eyes (you can even have a paragon with scars and glowing eyes) or glowing scars if you edit files.

So you think it is modded?

[IoCaster]

TeenZombie wrote...

Here's what Casey Hudson said in the Best Buy Developer's Chat about ME1 love interests, before ME2 came out:


CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

This seems to hint at the very real possibility that the surviving members of your ME2 squad won't have big roles in ME3. They may not even make an appearance as a cameo or email message. This definitely doesn't bother me, but I can certainly envision that this would cause an uproar in the dedicated love & adoration crowd.

TeenZombie wrote...

CaseyH-ME2: The real challenge is that many people will be unfaithful to their ME1 love interest because the ones in ME2 are really compelling.

I just find this to be a really creepy focus for the devs. I'd much prefer that they concentrated on making the actual plot of the game 'really compelling' and stop dumbing down the story. Even with the Kasumi DLC they can't seem to get away from the cheesy comic book bullsh!t. I was enjoying the damn mission, right up until the point where Kasumi does her super hero stunt with the gunship. Gah!! Stop it BioWare. I'm friggin begging you man, just please stop it already. This is supposed to be an 'M' rated game and you keep tossing in these 'T' oriented absurdities.

/rant

Modifié par IoCaster, 08 avril 2010 - 05:01 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

This is a good thread.

[Dave the Seagull]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

This is a good thread.

Indeed.

[Valmy]

TeenZombie wrote...
CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

Oh dear.

[Dave the Seagull]

Valmy wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...
CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

Oh dear.

Someone somewhere is going to get curb stomped at this rate.

[Lord Coake]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah I love how people will accept that Kasumi knows the intimate details of everyone and everything, she knows about Morinth, but she can't know about Ashley or Kaidan even if they were Shepard's lovers.
So apparently Kelly has a better information network than the master thief. Right. Sure.

Kasumi knows all the intimate details of the people onboard the Normandy with her.  A crew of only sixty or seventy, tops.

Kelly gets her information from files supplied from Cerberus, an organization that likely has the Alliance inflitrated on every level.

The only thing I can say about her being on Horizon is Kasumi seeing the writing on the wall.  Ash/Kaiden flat out call Shep a traitor and seem to feel that they'd rather have their friend / (former?) lover dead and slandered than alive on and on the bounce.  Thats not the sort of thing you talk to someone about as part of idle chitchat and friendly gossip.

[Wrathra]

Lord Coake wrote...

The only thing I can say about her being on Horizon is Kasumi seeing the writing on the wall.  Ash/Kaiden flat out call Shep a traitor and seem to feel that they'd rather have their friend / (former?) lover dead and slandered than alive on and on the bounce.  Thats not the sort of thing you talk to someone about as part of idle chitchat and friendly gossip.

But she has no problem talking to Shepard about the fact that s/he slept with Thane or Tali or any of the others?

I can see going up to a coworker and saying "I heard you and Bob broke up, I'm really sorry" or "Bob's a real jerk for doing that." or whatever.   I do have a problem going up to a coworker and saying "Hey! Heard you slept with Sally in accounting!  Woohoo!"

That makes no sense.  This is my problem with the whole thing.

edit: used a bad word, apparently.

Modifié par Wrathra, 08 avril 2010 - 06:21 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Dave the Seagull wrote...

Valmy wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...
CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

Oh dear.

Someone somewhere is going to get curb stomped at this rate.

Its always something!

[Goodwood]

GodWood wrote...

Look I love Bioware and all but I wouldn't trust half the **** that comes out of Casey's mouth.

Well, he is the project manager.

Take that as you will. Certainly, being the manager for such a large creative project calls for a certain amount of...finesse...because you've got to be able to get folks excited about what's coming without spoiling the plot. It's kind of like how an author may talk up their upcoming novel; they want people to want to read it, but they also don't want to give the good bits away.

On the flip side, sometimes folks in that position can get carried away, and start accidentally exaggerating what they plan to do; worse, they may even start undermining what the creative team is working on by leading fans on wild goose chases. Then there's the classic "dodging the question" when it comes to anything that may be even slightly controversial.

As an author myself, I don't really give a toss what folks might find outrageous about anything I write. It's good enough that anyone enjoys it, nevermind whether or not they want to spread it around or make accusations and such. Contrast Casey Hudson with Jo Rowling who, IMHO, handled the ongoing saga of the Harry Potter series with professional aplomb.

[IoCaster]

Lord Coake wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah I love how people will accept that Kasumi knows the intimate details of everyone and everything, she knows about Morinth, but she can't know about Ashley or Kaidan even if they were Shepard's lovers.
So apparently Kelly has a better information network than the master thief. Right. Sure.

Kasumi knows all the intimate details of the people onboard the Normandy with her.  A crew of only sixty or seventy, tops.

Kelly gets her information from files supplied from Cerberus, an organization that likely has the Alliance inflitrated on every level.

The only thing I can say about her being on Horizon is Kasumi seeing the writing on the wall.  Ash/Kaiden flat out call Shep a traitor and seem to feel that they'd rather have their friend / (former?) lover dead and slandered than alive on and on the bounce.  Thats not the sort of thing you talk to someone about as part of idle chitchat and friendly gossip.

I see posts like this and it makes me wonder why anyone would try to rationalize the behavior of a fictional character to this extent. The writers were tasked with throwing in some filler commentary and I seriously doubt that they were overly concerned with this level of intricacy. If some of you folks want to imagine that it's reasonable for Kasumi to not be aware of the Ash/Kaiden relationship or that she felt that it was inappropriate to comment on it, then that's your prerogative. That doesn't impose any obligation on anyone else to accept your theorizing as fact or even plausible. It's certainly understandable to me why gamers with an attachment to Ash/Kaiden would feel slighted and even a bit apprehensive about the future of their relationship with a favored ME LI.

[Ray Joel Oh]

IoCaster wrote...
I see posts like this and it makes me wonder why anyone would try to rationalize the behavior of a fictional character to this extent. The writers were tasked with throwing in some filler commentary and I seriously doubt that they were overly concerned with this level of intricacy. If some of you folks want to imagine that it's reasonable for Kasumi to not be aware of the Ash/Kaiden relationship or that she felt that it was inappropriate to comment on it, then that's your prerogative. That doesn't impose any obligation on anyone else to accept your theorizing as fact or even plausible. It's certainly understandable to me why gamers with an attachment to Ash/Kaiden would feel slighted and even a bit apprehensive about the future of their relationship with a favored ME LI.

It's just what audiences do.  When we're immersed in a story, we give writers the benefit of the doubt.  In the end, it doesn't matter what the writers' intentions were.  The interpretation is all that matters.

[Goodwood]

IoCaster wrote...

I see posts like this and it makes me wonder why anyone would try to rationalize the behavior of a fictional character to this extent. The writers were tasked with throwing in some filler commentary and I seriously doubt that they were overly concerned with this level of intricacy. If some of you folks want to imagine that it's reasonable for Kasumi to not be aware of the Ash/Kaiden relationship or that she felt that it was inappropriate to comment on it, then that's your prerogative. That doesn't impose any obligation on anyone else to accept your theorizing as fact or even plausible. It's certainly understandable to me why gamers with an attachment to Ash/Kaiden would feel slighted and even a bit apprehensive about the future of their relationship with a favored ME LI.

You've pretty much nailed down what it is to be a "fan" of a series as opposed to someone who simply likes what they see and is interested in its fruition. The former is short for fanatic, while the latter is...well...an admirer.

My first concern when writing a character is making people want to care about them. Consistancy can sometimes take a back seat to this concern, which is why having someone else to go over one's work in order to spot these flaws is essential. That said, there will always be folks who read too much into things, and perhaps a little inconsistancy in a character, be it in their personality or backstory, is to be desired. Most folks aren't exactly consistant; the phrase "some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you" comes to mind here.

What makes sense for the author may not make sense for the reader, and that is perfectly understandable. The trouble often starts when the reader(s) try to impose their own interpretations onto the character. When said characters are interactive, such as the case with an RPG such as Mass Effect, these problems can become compounded exponentially, depending on how wide and/or deep the character development options are. I would say that the Mass Effect writers have done a credible job at crafting a good set of characters -- sure, there are some weeds in the flowerbed -- but nobody's perfect and, IMHO, no author should have to feel like they owe their fanbase anything in regards to character development. Living up to promises made to the fanbase is a whole other thing, however, and is something that should be held to heart.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Are there already vids out there of Kasumi's unique mission dialogue and the ending with Shep in his new outfit?