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What does Kasumi say about all the love interests?


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Ray Joel Oh wrote...

IoCaster wrote...
I see posts like this and it makes me wonder why anyone would try to rationalize the behavior of a fictional character to this extent. The writers were tasked with throwing in some filler commentary and I seriously doubt that they were overly concerned with this level of intricacy. If some of you folks want to imagine that it's reasonable for Kasumi to not be aware of the Ash/Kaiden relationship or that she felt that it was inappropriate to comment on it, then that's your prerogative. That doesn't impose any obligation on anyone else to accept your theorizing as fact or even plausible. It's certainly understandable to me why gamers with an attachment to Ash/Kaiden would feel slighted and even a bit apprehensive about the future of their relationship with a favored ME LI.


It's just what audiences do.  When we're immersed in a story, we give writers the benefit of the doubt.  In the end, it doesn't matter what the writers' intentions were.  The interpretation is all that matters.


If it's not explicitly stated or otherwise explained then it's left to the individual audience member to assume whatever he/she wants to believe. Too many people on this board create their own fictional explanation for events in the game and post it in a thread as if there were some factual basis for it. How many times have you read variations on < insert character name here > wouldn't do, think or say < random action, thought or comment > ? Solely based on that particular posters assumptions and not in any way sourced from material contained within the game. My question is, why would anyone post this type of speculative fiction with the expectation that it should be accepted as definitive? 

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Simple. Why do you think there are so many folks who invent interactions that never occurred within the Star Wars universe?

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GodWood wrote...

Look I love Bioware and all but I wouldn't trust half the **** that comes out of Casey's mouth.


This, he likes to spin but frankly isn't very good at it.

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IoCaster wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

IoCaster wrote...
I see posts like this and it makes me wonder why anyone would try to rationalize the behavior of a fictional character to this extent. The writers were tasked with throwing in some filler commentary and I seriously doubt that they were overly concerned with this level of intricacy. If some of you folks want to imagine that it's reasonable for Kasumi to not be aware of the Ash/Kaiden relationship or that she felt that it was inappropriate to comment on it, then that's your prerogative. That doesn't impose any obligation on anyone else to accept your theorizing as fact or even plausible. It's certainly understandable to me why gamers with an attachment to Ash/Kaiden would feel slighted and even a bit apprehensive about the future of their relationship with a favored ME LI.


It's just what audiences do.  When we're immersed in a story, we give writers the benefit of the doubt.  In the end, it doesn't matter what the writers' intentions were.  The interpretation is all that matters.


If it's not explicitly stated or otherwise explained then it's left to the individual audience member to assume whatever he/she wants to believe. Too many people on this board create their own fictional explanation for events in the game and post it in a thread as if there were some factual basis for it. How many times have you read variations on wouldn't do, think or say ? Solely based on that particular posters assumptions and not in any way sourced from material contained within the game. My question is, why would anyone post this type of speculative fiction with the expectation that it should be accepted as definitive? 


I think everybody essentially knows deep down that all our presumtions should be taken with a grain of salt.  People just enjoy debating and speculating.  Water cooler chat and all that.

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About Casey...this is a business. Telling everyone everything isn't intelligent. Ideally, you want to be in the moderate or center position. Businesses are a lot like politics. You try not to offend anyone. Granted, some people will still be offended, but if you play your cards right, most people won't to the point that they wouldn't buy your products or vote for you.

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Goodwood wrote...

Simple. Why do you think there are so many folks who invent interactions that never occurred within the Star Wars universe?


I do understand why people are prone to do that and I'm certainly not immune to getting immersed in a narrative to that extent. I just get frustrated sometimes when I'm reading an otherwise entertaining and informative thread that gets spammed with irrelevant and wholly imaginary 'facts'. It's the "nature of the beast" (Internet, forums) and all, but damn it, I wish it weren't so prevalent.

:mellow:

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 this is what she says about the love interest,,,
http://mmomfg.com/20...ry-review-0408/

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It's kind of weird in my case. I have a female Shepard with Jacob as LI, but every time I talk to Kasumi, she seems to think I broke up with Jacob, while I didn't.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 08 avril 2010 - 09:30 .


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Goodwood wrote...

Simple. Why do you think there are so many folks who invent interactions that never occurred within the Star Wars universe?

I must say, your display name keeps making me do a double take. Image IPB

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GodWood wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Simple. Why do you think there are so many folks who invent interactions that never occurred within the Star Wars universe?

I must say, your display name keeps making me do a double take. Image IPB

Didn't one of you used to be Goodwood_Shepard?

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PMorgan18 wrote...

"Tali is so cute. You're all she talks about, in that sweet, rainbows-and-butterflies kind of way. She loves you Shepard. Be good to her."

I was about to make a thread about what she says about the romances but you beat me to it. :P



Im curious. when DOES she actually say this.
Half the people i know, and the youtube comment say its after tali's recruitment mission (in wich case something weird is going on as she never mentioned it, im pretty sure dialogue started over again, maybe even twice).
and the other half say its after you romance her.

im ASSUMING its after you start the romance process?
Hoping annyone might clear that bit up ^^

Thanks in advance <3

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I could never get her to say any of this stuff.

When I was romancing Garrus, I talked to her after like every mission hoping for some giggle, but got nothin'.

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Regarding promises to the fanbase

Remember that ominous word, "stand-alone"? If you assume that people are "selling" to people new to the franchise, it's perfectly accurate - she comments on every Mass Effect 2 LI.

Anything that touches on ME1 is basically an easter egg in a stand-alone game.

You've been gone for two years, Shepard. They've all moved on.



Regarding Kelly commenting, but not Kasumi

Kasumi is a clearing house for ship's gossip. Kelly would have your personnel files straight from Cerberus. Joker and Chakwas, I assume, respect Shepard too much to gossip about your former crew member and romantic partner treating you like a pirate who happened to shoot the bad guys after you save dozens of people from a threat no-one else could counter.

And I imagine that Shepard's quarters are the one part of the ship that Kasumi doesn't sneak into.



I Have Dismissed Those Claims

All of Kasumi's dialog sounds like it follows Shepard asking "Kasumi, hi. What do you hear?". I think "That your former [Lieutenant]/[Gunnery Chief] practically spat on you on Horizon" isn't particularly tactful.

Also: There are six possible scenarios that could lead to Horizon.

Romance Kaidan, leave Kaidan on Virmire.

Romance Ashley, leave Ashley on Virmire.

Romance Kaidan, leave Ashley on Virmire.

Romance Ashley, leave Kaidan on Virmire.

Romance neither, leave Kaidan.

Romance neither, leave Ashley.



That's either a lot of VA work or a fifteen page thread complaining that all of Kasumi's lines about Horizon are identical. Tough choice.



What I'd Have Written In Myself, One Line To Bind Them All

Heard you and the Alliance rep on Horizon (used to serve together)/(have a history). Seemed tense, guess the bad blood with Cerberus runs deep. I won't pry, Shep.

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It is kind of creepy that she knows almost everything about everyone...

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TeenZombie wrote...

Here's what Casey Hudson said in the Best Buy Developer's Chat about ME1 love interests, before ME2 came out:

WhisperPiano: By now, we are aware that most of the characters from the first game have been given greatly reduced roles, including the three potential love interests. While the new crew is intriguing, many of us are irked by what appears to be a disregard for the personal subplots through which each of our Shepards' stories were individualized. My question is: wil those of us who choose to have our Shepards remain faithful to one of the original romance options be able to come away as satisfied with the roma...

CaseyH-ME2: WhisperPiano - this is an interesting question that we see a lot. Here's our take...

CaseyH-ME2: While Mass Effect fans have grown to love our characters, you can imagine that after spending years crafting them, we have at least as much of an attachment to them. So it's definitely not a case of the team disregarding player's decisions with them or interest in those characters - in fact, it's the opposite...

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

CaseyH-ME2: Another important thing to consider is that much of the fun of ME1 was the discovery of new people and places. If we made ME2 out of the same characters, you'd miss out of the fun of that discovery.

CaseyH-ME2: Finally, if you are worried about the role of the ME1 love interest in the trilogy, consider that the romance itself is told across the trilogy, in 3 acts. Apply the 3-act concept to what's happening in your relationship with them, and you might guess where we're going with it.

CaseyH-ME2: The real challenge is that many people will be unfaithful to their ME1 love interest because the ones in ME2 are really compelling.


...So, obviously Casey wasn't counting Jacob when he thought that many people would be unfaithful to the compelling new love interests...


ouch, Jacob cops a smack upside the head (again)

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Yes yes yes, Jacob hate.



Much like the Jack hate in the General public.



Seems like people have problems with J's or the fangirls need to lighten up.

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Christmas Ape wrote...

And I imagine that Shepard's quarters are the one part of the ship that Kasumi doesn't sneak into.


We have dismissed this claim in the "who watches shepard in the shower" thread... Ill find it.
Perpetrators include: Zaeed (security cam), Joker / EDI (access to security cam footage), Garrus (romance sneak in), Illusive Man and Miranda (access to security cam footage) and Kasumi (cloaked).

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Whatever Works wrote...

Yes yes yes, Jacob hate.

Much like the Jack hate in the General public.

Seems like people have problems with J's or the fangirls need to lighten up.


I didn't know Jack copped hate. Where? (Seriously, are there threads?)

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 09 juin 2010 - 03:30 .


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No threads, not on this forum at least. This forum is for Jacob hatin' and flame warin'

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I appear to have been necro'd.





And it's a serious topic. For shame.

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With how this thread is going, I kind of wish it had been put out of its misery.

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Whatever Works wrote...

No threads, not on this forum at least. This forum is for Jacob hatin' and flame warin'


ah yer ok