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[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

So I was playing Dragon age Origins and something clicked to me all of a sudden. i dont think your grey warden is the main character. If anything, Alistair seems to me like the main character of the game. if you leave him in your party through out the whole game he does speak more often than not than lets say sten, oghren, etc.

My warden while he may have been the main decision make was more of an observer. It felt kinda forced from the get go to make all decisions. I would have prefered to play my warden, but not as the leader more like a companion. He just didnt really seem to fit in the cogs of the DA:O experience. Our wardens honestly had no true business or demand to be wardens(except for the dalish origin story, thats kinda a no choice in your hands origins since your tainted.)

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

I disagree.



on the origins, Dwf commoners would have been executed most likely, and the noble would have either been turned into a broodmother or just killed. the city elf would have been killed or left rotting in the dungeon. the human noble would have been killed by ----'s men, and the mage would have been punished or maybe even made tranquil. I think every origin had a good reason and escaped fate, if you will.



the companion idea sounds kinda weird to me, honestly. just my thoughts, though.

[thegreateski]

Alistair WOULD have been the main character . . . if he had a backbone.

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

VERY good point lol

[Herr Uhl]

Obviously it's the story of Sten. The unkillables are most likely as the "main characters" if it isn't the PC.

[ArawnNox]

I disagree as well. No other character in the party makes events turn out the way they do. Sure, they have their opinions, but in the end, its the Grey Warden PC that decides how to handle the various faction quests that invariably change the face of Ferelden. This isn't something someone "along for the ride" gets to do in a game/movie/novel.



For a game where your created character contributes NOTHING except being another weapon wielder, look at White Knight Chronicles. >.>

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

yes, all the origins had reason to make the choice of not dying. But are you really that integral to the story? I think not. The fact that there are so many origins is proof enough for me that you arent trully that important. The story would most likely be the same had Duncan been sent to the tower of ishal with Alistair, or had he gone with you to the kokari wilds. I know you decide how everything goes. But it feels forced to me. Even morrigan comments on this at one point. How alistair lets you lead and how he is the senior grey warden.



I wont argue that in the end its you who are the main character, but it felt to me that had the game not been a "choose your own adventure" RPG Alistair would have been the main character.

[Arkagiel]

Don't you think this is a good thing? You don't really want another "chosen one" type story right? I know what you mean, but it isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[b44l]

Getting demoted to weapon wielding henchman sounds like the worst idea ever IMO. If anything I'd like to see more of an impact on the world as a result of your actions/decisions. I thought it was a very good idea story wise to make the other surviving GW a spinless whimp, since that ties in well with the PC being the driving force of the story. Running around Ferelden bossing Duncan around on the other hand would have made no sense at all.

[ArawnNox]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

yes, all the origins had reason to make the choice of not dying. But are you really that integral to the story? I think not. The fact that there are so many origins is proof enough for me that you arent trully that important. The story would most likely be the same had Duncan been sent to the tower of ishal with Alistair, or had he gone with you to the kokari wilds. I know you decide how everything goes. But it feels forced to me. Even morrigan comments on this at one point. How alistair lets you lead and how he is the senior grey warden.

I wont argue that in the end its you who are the main character, but it felt to me that had the game not been a "choose your own adventure" RPG Alistair would have been the main character.

I don't know. Consider the possible ramifications of the PC not being there at Ostagar (I'll try not to stray into Spoiler territory.)
-No new Gray Wardens
-No one capable of reasoning with Morrigan/Flemeth (lets face it, everyone was either confrontational or scared witless)
-Only Alistair is sent to Ishal
-No one is there to pull Alistair out of his mourning and give the party focus (assuming he survives the events of Ishal)
-The plot ends before it really begins.

I think the PC is pretty important to the story.

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

I see your point.

[Ildaron]

According to Anders a mage who finishes the Harrowing is not allowed to be made Tranquil. So the mage origin mage could not be made such. Just thrown in a dungeon for a very long time depending on how that one is played.

[errant_knight]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

So I was playing Dragon age Origins and something clicked to me all of a sudden. i dont think your grey warden is the main character. If anything, Alistair seems to me like the main character of the game. if you leave him in your party through out the whole game he does speak more often than not than lets say sten, oghren, etc.

My warden while he may have been the main decision make was more of an observer. It felt kinda forced from the get go to make all decisions. I would have prefered to play my warden, but not as the leader more like a companion. He just didnt really seem to fit in the cogs of the DA:O experience. Our wardens honestly had no true business or demand to be wardens(except for the dalish origin story, thats kinda a no choice in your hands origins since your tainted.)

Actually, I agree. If this was a book, Alistair would be the main character, the others, supporting leads. He's the flawed hero overcoming his past to come into his birthright. The PC is, in many ways, more of a catalyst than an individual. That makes sense, though. It puts the player in the position of puppeteer, or director, choosing what events will occur to affect the characters, and how they will be affected to an extent.

The reason the characters need so much input from the PC if to allow the player to act as the hand of god, creating the world as the player sees fit. Were that not the case, events would occur and characters would change and grow on their own without your choices. That's the main difference between a game like this and another form of media. It's what makes it a game, not a movie. It's a bit jarring on occasion, but entirely necessary or you'd be watching the game unfold, not playing it.

[Sifer2]

I was thinking that from shortly after Ostagar. Morrigan even teased Allistair saying shouldn't he be the leader since he has been a Warden longer. Basically yeah Allistair could have been the main character except he just wasn't up to it an would rather follow you. Obviously the gameplay would kind of suck too if you never get to make decisions. But then again it could have been kind of interesting too as an option for those who want a more linear game lol.

[errant_knight]

Sifer2 wrote...

I was thinking that from shortly after Ostagar. Morrigan even teased Allistair saying shouldn't he be the leader since he has been a Warden longer. Basically yeah Allistair could have been the main character except he just wasn't up to it an would rather follow you. Obviously the gameplay would kind of suck too if you never get to make decisions. But then again it could have been kind of interesting too as an option for those who want a more linear game lol.

Hmmm.... I suppose you could do that by directly affecting the way the characters react to conversations and opportunities through conversation. But to make that into effective gameplay, you'd probably have to be able to change them more intrinsically than you can here. ie feed Alistair's need for vengence, or try to mitigate it. Encourage Zevran to assasinate people who get in your way, or convince him to give all that up.... You's still be controlling things, but through the characters. At the same time, the characters wouldn't be as strong, because they'd be less fully formed. The way it is now, Alistair stays the hero, and that's all to the good, in my opinion.

The other option would be that the characters are as defined as they are now and your decision making happens in terms of will you go along with their decisions, or bail? But what happens if you leave? Maybe the party splits up.... Nope that wouldn't work. Too complicated.

Modifié par errant_knight, 08 avril 2010 - 02:27 .

[Emerald Melios]

It's Schmooples, naturally.

[Sresla]

Emerald Melios wrote...

It's Schmooples, naturally.

Dog and Schmooples. Like a cop buddy movie.

[fangedwolf]

What about Loghain?

[SRWill64]

thegreateski wrote...

Alistair WOULD have been the main character . . . if he had a backbone.

If you have read the posts I have you would realize that David Gaider and Bioware had every intention to make Alistair the main focus of the game and he was intended to become king. And he does have a backbone...you've obviously never REALLY pissed him off like I did once. He yelled at my girl for making the wrong decision...and he was in LOVE with her! No backbone, indeed!!

[demongirl420]

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[SRWill64]

@Errant_Knight

Your last two posts couldn't be more true than if they came from Bioware themselves. Bravo!

@Everybody

As I said, I have read a lot of posts, some of them by David Gaider himself, about Alistair and the way the game is meant to unfold. Alistair, with all his grief and the shock of losing all the other Grey Wardens at once, was not strong enough to lead. Not only that, but you have to remember how he was treated in the Chantry...a child treated like an outcast and a nobody, always scolded and told they're no good and sent off to the kitchen...it crushes the child's ego and they grow up with no self-esteem.

Shame on you people who put poor Alistair down instead of being more supportive!

[thegreateski]

SRWill64 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Alistair WOULD have been the main character . . . if he had a backbone.

If you have read the posts I have you would realize that David Gaider and Bioware had every intention to make Alistair the main focus of the game and he was intended to become king. And he does have a backbone...you've obviously never REALLY pissed him off like I did once. He yelled at my girl for making the wrong decision...and he was in LOVE with her! No backbone, indeed!!

Oh I've pissed him off plenty. I would like to note that there is a difference between "getting pissy" and actually doing something about it.

I've also offered to let him lead the group on a few occassions. He declined.

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

I personally supported Alistair in every decision. He felt like the most loyal sort of a "Best Friend" kinda guy. If anything, i think had you just been the third wheel that the story would have played out in Alistair being the main character and Morrigan mothering his Demi-god Warden Child.

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

yes, all the origins had reason to make the choice of not dying. But are you really that integral to the story? I think not. The fact that there are so many origins is proof enough...

for me to say that Bioware gave us several options to start the game. If you think about it, the rest of the origins that you didn't play through on the character you're playing ATM would have died or would be incapacitated. Dwf commoner gets executed most likely, the noble gets killed or corrupted, the city elf executed or rotting in jail, the dalish would die from corruption, the human noble would have died, and the mage would be locked up or killed after ostagar. because Duncan was there to recruit you and not anywhere else, it gives your character a kind of hero spark, if you will.

sorta off-topic, maybe...

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

yasuraka.hakkyou wrote...

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

yes, all the origins had reason to make the choice of not dying. But are you really that integral to the story? I think not. The fact that there are so many origins is proof enough...

for me to say that Bioware gave us several options to start the game. If you think about it, the rest of the origins that you didn't play through on the character you're playing ATM would have died or would be incapacitated. Dwf commoner gets executed most likely, the noble gets killed or corrupted, the city elf executed or rotting in jail, the dalish would die from corruption, the human noble would have died, and the mage would be locked up or killed after ostagar. because Duncan was there to recruit you and not anywhere else, it gives your character a kind of hero spark, if you will.

sorta off-topic, maybe...

Lol, i understand, sort of like a thank the maker for your impecable timing else id be Drake meat