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[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Lol i couldnt see alistar leading but hes deffiently not the main charater hes more or less plays your lover or best friend compared to the other charaters. All the Origins storys felt in place to me. Alistar doesnt stand up for himself as much as you'd think he would and is just not cut out for the main role.

[Arthur Cousland]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

I think Morrigan is far more important. She is the only character you can't kill in the game. They obviously have big plans for her.

It would have been an interesting battle if you could fight her.  Perhaps she would have shapeshifted into a dragon or something similar.

[gingerbill]

I thought i would hate alistair but i really liked his character , think bioware did really well with him , for me though morrigan is the star of the game.

[Fernand]

in so many ways,think the game is about all of those characters,didn't focus on one character for a long time,it's about Alistair as much as it is about Morrigan,Lelianna or Sten,if u read the song of ice and fire book series,u'll see that it focuses on the members of the Stark family(says my brother who is reading them)so in a way, ur companions ARE the main characters,their past struggles & personal conflicts & how they overcome them...Even ur pc could be considered as one of the main characters

[Reaverwind]

Ildaron wrote...

According to Anders a mage who finishes the Harrowing is not allowed to be made Tranquil. So the mage origin mage could not be made such. Just thrown in a dungeon for a very long time depending on how that one is played.

That's assuming that's not yet another inconsistency. I was under the impression your mage was likely to be executed for helping Jowen.

[Ubasti]

errant_knight wrote...

The basic structure of the story is that of 'The Hero's Journey' monomyth, and it's done quite cleverly so that the PC can take over the hero role. The point of the OP was that when the player is taken out of the mix, the structure of the story has Alistair as that hero.

Let's look at some of the elements of the paradigm. The hero is separated from the life he/she has known, often from family. They are called to fulfill a destiny which they often refuse at first. This can be for a number of reasons, duty, a sense of inadequacy, etc. They are pushed toward their destiny by supernatural intervention. When they take up the quest, they are forced to undergo a series of trials, through which their powers grow and they become stronger. They often leave the physical world and return. Through the course of the story, they become the hero they were meant to be, now able to accomplish a goal that they'd doubted their ability to achieve. There's a whole lot more to it than that, and some elements fit better than others, but at it's heart, that's the nature of this story.

The PC in Dragon's age fits the paradigm just as well as Alistair, but while the PC can be removed from the story without intrinsically changing it, Alistair cannot. Some of the companions can be as well. To keep the story whole, you need Alistair, Morrigan, Cailan, Anora, Loghain, Flemeth, and Duncan, or it falls apart.

Because it's a game, and because it's as fun to subvert the paradigm as to let it unfold in the classic sense, they let us manipulate the story. The PC can be the hero. Or an Anti-hero. Or the PC can act as the force who influences the hero to achieve his destiny. Basically, they've put us in a classic story of a king achieving his birthright and saving his people, and have given a wide range of choices as to what we want to do within that story. We can take it all away from him and give it to someone else, or to ourselves. We can turn the hero/s of the story into villains. Because it's a game and not a book. But in a book, we'd be unnecessary.

Wonderfully written, and I agree with you.

Also to those who think Alistair's follower's role is a bad thing: read the books. Then you understand why he is how he is. At least that is my way of seeing it. 

Modifié par Ubasti, 12 avril 2010 - 08:20 .

[Thomas9321]

Alistair is clearly set up as a classic videogame protagonist. And he would be if some recruit of Duncan's hadn't just gone and saved the day leaving him to tag along. Well that's how I view it at least.

[Fernand]

but somehow i think that the main character is of the noble origins,since i played the expansion & saw a certain character that relates directly to the Noble origins(by far my favourite) & HNM fits well as the hero figure,he's trained to lead troops,good in politics & well respected & well trained...yeah..it could be that as well

[Dessalines]

I think one of the writers or devs stated that Morrigan best represented the world, but your character is the main character. You could make an arguement for Morrigan, but you would have to keep her for the entire story. If you don't take Allistair with you on your missions, and allow him to be executed, then he is no more important to the story than Morrigan.



You need Allistair to call the Landsmeet, but if you don't back him, then again he is not important. You might have won enough votes with Eamon or Teagan as the next ruler. Since he doesn't take charge of the group, he doesn't direct the story. Allistair stated it best that he is just a warden unlucky enough to die with the rest of the wardens.

The writers could have killed Allistair, and allowed one of the two people that died during the Joining live, and survive the battle of Ostagar. You could venture around with this character, and Eamon and Teagan could have tried to seize the throne.

Allistair is only important for the Landsmeet plot, but if you don't back him or even kill him, he quickly loses his importance. Anora moves the Landsmeet plot along more than Allistair.



Your character is the main character, because the story is about him or her. It begins with you, and it ends with you. You are the driving force, and nothing happens without you.

[SRWill64]

Ubasti wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

The basic structure of the story is that of 'The Hero's Journey' monomyth, and it's done quite cleverly so that the PC can take over the hero role. The point of the OP was that when the player is taken out of the mix, the structure of the story has Alistair as that hero.

Let's look at some of the elements of the paradigm. The hero is separated from the life he/she has known, often from family. They are called to fulfill a destiny which they often refuse at first. This can be for a number of reasons, duty, a sense of inadequacy, etc. They are pushed toward their destiny by supernatural intervention. When they take up the quest, they are forced to undergo a series of trials, through which their powers grow and they become stronger. They often leave the physical world and return. Through the course of the story, they become the hero they were meant to be, now able to accomplish a goal that they'd doubted their ability to achieve. There's a whole lot more to it than that, and some elements fit better than others, but at it's heart, that's the nature of this story.

The PC in Dragon's age fits the paradigm just as well as Alistair, but while the PC can be removed from the story without intrinsically changing it, Alistair cannot. Some of the companions can be as well. To keep the story whole, you need Alistair, Morrigan, Cailan, Anora, Loghain, Flemeth, and Duncan, or it falls apart.

Because it's a game, and because it's as fun to subvert the paradigm as to let it unfold in the classic sense, they let us manipulate the story. The PC can be the hero. Or an Anti-hero. Or the PC can act as the force who influences the hero to achieve his destiny. Basically, they've put us in a classic story of a king achieving his birthright and saving his people, and have given a wide range of choices as to what we want to do within that story. We can take it all away from him and give it to someone else, or to ourselves. We can turn the hero/s of the story into villains. Because it's a game and not a book. But in a book, we'd be unnecessary.

Wonderfully written, and I agree with you.

Also to those who think Alistair's follower's role is a bad thing: read the books. Then you understand why he is how he is. At least that is my way of seeing it. 

Are you implying that Maric was a follower-type? He was in the beginning until he was forced to try to lead the Rebel Army in spite of Loghain's treachery.
I have said that Alistair is his father's son, and I meant it, but my husband doesn't see the parallels I do. Maybe I'm just imagining it....am I? Imagining it? lol

[SRWill64]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Lol i couldnt see alistar leading but hes deffiently not the main charater hes more or less plays your lover or best friend compared to the other charaters. All the Origins storys felt in place to me. Alistar doesnt stand up for himself as much as you'd think he would and is just not cut out for the main role.

That depends on what choices you make and how much you interact with him. If you choose to play a bad person you will definitely see Alistair's bad side, because he will do everything short of throwing you out of the party, only because he knows he can't do this by himself. I know this because I spent some time on UTube.com watching some videos people have posted over there. I was surprised and I know how Alistair can be, accidentally killing Isolde once because I thought the Circle was pretty much broken...

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

SRWill64 wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Lol i couldnt see alistar leading but hes deffiently not the main charater hes more or less plays your lover or best friend compared to the other charaters. All the Origins storys felt in place to me. Alistar doesnt stand up for himself as much as you'd think he would and is just not cut out for the main role.

That depends on what choices you make and how much you interact with him. If you choose to play a bad person you will definitely see Alistair's bad side, because he will do everything short of throwing you out of the party, only because he knows he can't do this by himself. I know this because I spent some time on UTube.com watching some videos people have posted over there. I was surprised and I know how Alistair can be, accidentally killing Isolde once because I thought the Circle was pretty much broken...

Good point i say more or less hes deffiently a huge player in the story plot in many ways bigger then your charater. I forgot about when they charge denerim his speech before hand. He actually sounded like a true leader and i didn't even make him king.

[SRWill64]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

@Vicious, Precisely. That is what I meant when I started this topic. Alistair does show alot of spine. He confronts you very directly, if you kill Connor, not to mention anything evil you do he takes a stand against. The PC is more of a, I wonder what would happen tool. Gives you freedom to explore many different outcomes. Just an exploration tool.

Yes, I agree. The PC is actually a tool to explore Alistair's personality and let his greatness show through. I have a feeling that the people who don't like him are either bothered by the fact that he's a good person (and they're not) or they don't like sharing center stage with anyone....again I could be wrong....

Modifié par SRWill64, 13 avril 2010 - 01:24 .

[SRWill64]

Alexor Destroyer of Worlds wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Obviously it's the story of Sten. The unkillables are most likely as the "main characters" if it isn't the PC.

Of course.

The entire game is the story of Sten killing fat kids and taking their cookies. Are you guys stupid? What's with all this crazy conspiracy theory about the blight and ostagar?

If you don't want Alistair bossing you around, don't bring him with you.

Oh, yes...a conspiracy theory....I can see this. All those darkspawn I've been fighting and the archdemon I have seen...they're all figments of my imagination....lol
Well...I guess they could be...it is a game, after all...lol

[SRWill64]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

SRWill64 wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Lol i couldnt see alistar leading but hes deffiently not the main charater hes more or less plays your lover or best friend compared to the other charaters. All the Origins storys felt in place to me. Alistar doesnt stand up for himself as much as you'd think he would and is just not cut out for the main role.

That depends on what choices you make and how much you interact with him. If you choose to play a bad person you will definitely see Alistair's bad side, because he will do everything short of throwing you out of the party, only because he knows he can't do this by himself. I know this because I spent some time on UTube.com watching some videos people have posted over there. I was surprised and I know how Alistair can be, accidentally killing Isolde once because I thought the Circle was pretty much broken...

Good point i say more or less hes deffiently a huge player in the story plot in many ways bigger then your charater. I forgot about when they charge denerim his speech before hand. He actually sounded like a true leader and i didn't even make him king.

He is a true leader, by birth. He's Maric's son, and Maric incarnate in a lot of ways.