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[Fumbleumble]

From a closed thread, coments that invited no debate whatsoever!!!

Said Stanley Woo.....

Perhaps you'd like to wait until we actually start talking about ME3 to form your expectations. Then, when the game is released, take your expectations and measure them against what reviews and other players say about it. Then, rent the game first or watch some videos of its gameplay. Better yet, attend a game convention at which the game is displayed, and play it a bit to determine whether you want it.



We don't "deceive" people into buying our games. We can extol the virtues of the game all we like, but at the end of the day, you are the consumer and it is incumbent upon YOU to make the purchase decision. Nothing we say, advertise, or hype absolves you of that decision, and no marketing we engage in removes that purchasing power (or that responsibility) from you.



Do your homework and manage your own expectations, because the only person to blame for a poor purchasing decision is yourself. Thank you.


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First of all Stanley, to get the strongest words out of the way first.... RPG fans of ME1 WERE most certainly deceived... you can't argue with that.. you create a game for a particular genre..make a sequel.. change it beyond all recognition, fail to report the extent of the changes and then do everything you can to sell it to the same audience knowing full well that you've made it to attract a different audience, all along counting on the built in audience of the first to boost sales ......... that's deceit in anyone's book.... so now that we have that out of the way...

But there's more.......you then have the big brass ones to tell me it's my fault for believing your companies own selling method?....what exactly are you telling me here?.... That you have turned into an utterly unscrupulous company who will tell and propose any number of obfuscations and that you very own words are not to be believed.. and that on the off chance that we DO take your word for it... then it's our own fault 'haha' ?

Good Grief...your stance about having to wait for it to come out before we are even alowed to discuss what mess you're going to make this time.. tells me two things.. first that you know full well that you are making a product that WILL NOT appeal to your first audience... who BTW started the good word about ME1 and laid the ground work for people actually knowing that you had made a popular game.... because it certaily wasn't your second audience of shooter fans who got the word out about your first!!!!....... and secondly that you also know full well that should you actually COME CLEAN about the direction of 3... then your rpg fans will run a mile AND see it as yet another betrayal, as you would be ASOLUTELY NOWHERE without the people who bought your RPG's.

So, to use your own word.. END OF LINE..

...if you are no longer aiming games at the genre I play than I have no reason to be here.

[1Parmenides]

Feel free to play games you want to play. You'd be less cranky if you play more and type less.



I only play RPG's, rarely FPS's. ME2's FPS style is a welcome change.

[Zaeed Massani]

Fumbleumble wrote...

...if you are no longer aiming games at the genre I play than I have no reason to be here.

Good. Let the door hit you a couple of times on the way out.

[Annihilator27]

I just welcome games as are, Not every fan can be happy with what a developer does to their franchise.

[Collider]

Jesus. If you want the typical RPG with min maxing, go play another game. Mass Effect perfectly fulfills the roleplaying aspect of RPGs. You roleplay as Shepard. This is the reason why I like Mass Effect in the first place. If that doesn't interest you, good bye.

[AntiChri5]

Wow....entitlement much?



Mass Effect was always meant to be an rpg/shooter hybrid. We can stand here arguing all day about which of those two should be said first but i don't have the energy or patience.



They never lied about ME 2. It was exactly what they said it would be.



Just because they stuffed up the shooter aspects of the first game because they weren't very experienced at it doesn't meant it was always intended to be a pure rpg and they have a vast conspiracy to trick rpg fans.

[spacehamsterZH]

I've played both Mass Effect games and I'm a big fan of Demon's Souls, which is nothing if not a dry-as-dust dungeon crawler with an unwieldy inventory and an incomprehensible upgrade system, and I continue to be amazed and confounded by these people who say ME2 is less of an RPG than ME1. I just don't get it. But I also have this weird thing where I like games based on whether or not they're fun, not what rigidly-defined genre they fit in, so... yeah. Maybe that has something to do with it.

[WrexEffex]

1Parmenides wrote...

Feel free to play games you want to play. You'd be less cranky if you play more and type less.

I only play RPG's, rarely FPS's. ME2's FPS style is a welcome change.

ME2 is a TPS, not an FPS


I can't tell you how many times I've seen people call this an FPS. I'm not trying to be a dick, I just think it's funny.

[sevenblue]

Are all the toys out of that pram yet ?

[nuclearday]

Actually, I got from ME2 pretty much what I was expecting from it. Okay, they changed a couple things up, and admittedly there are one or two things that I miss from ME1. I think that's to be expected. No matter how awesome the game was was ever going to be, I don't think the game has been made that I would completely agree 100% with everything about it.



... I guess I just don't see where this "deceit" thing is coming from? Every single pre-release interview or video on this game mentioned a streamlined skill set (never Mass Effect's strong suit in the first place,) a stronger focus on the shooter mechanics (which had already been a major focus of the game the first time out,) and so on.



All the major changes that I can think I already knew about before I picked the game.up. Obviously I can only speak for myself, but it's not like I spent hours a day looking for more news; and none of this stuff was all that big a suprise to me.



There's a tendency towards a certain feeling of entitlement that I've begun to notice in the videogame fanbase lately. All these guys are doing is making a product. They're actually trying quite hard to make something that people want to buy (regardless of any motives behind it - a poor game is going to get poor sales, end of story.) You either buy a game or you don't - and like anything in a free market it's "buyer beware." That's nothing new, either.

[hex23]

This thread makes no sense. As I've pointed out before Bioware let people know the shooter mechanics were improved....now that alone wouldn't mean much, but they talked about this literally nonstop for about a year....beating people over the head with how much they focused on the shooter elements of the game. Then the game is released and people are like "WTF why is it mostly a shooter?!".

[xDarkicex]

Poster has a point Bioware has been using trickery Did any of you see the TV Ads for DA:O? from those Ads I expected a game with graphics like ME2 and really intense Combat, both of which the game didn't have.

[konfeta]

Good lord, don't ever watch TV. The disparity between product and commercials is going to blow your mind into fine mist across half the freaking continent.

[Grand_Commander13]

I got exactly what I expected out of ME2. Heck, after watching the ME2 videos I had trouble playing ME1 because it was so in my face how bad the combat was (I solved the problem by turning Insanity into a minigame of killing enemies before they could activate Immunity thanks to biotics juggling). All the RPG elements that were worth a dang are back, some even improved.

I have complaints: the armor bonuses are half as strong as they need to be to matter, the weapons aren't balanced well enough and I wish you could minorly tweak them rather than take them as-is, and Bioware slaughtered gameplay/game world integration in the name of gameplay (shield/armor/health bars) and lulz (squad mates refusing to wear armor).

It's this last point that truly troubles me though, and has nothing to do with RPG elements and everything to do with Bioware taking their world seriously. The first two points I can shrug off and say hey, nobody's perfect. The third point though? It's a shame...

[spacehamsterZH]

WrexEffex wrote...

I can't tell you how many times I've seen people call this an FPS. I'm not trying to be a dick, I just think it's funny.

Yeah, if you wanted to be a dick, you would point out how that proves people who think ME2 is "a shooter" really have no idea what a shooter is, but... you're a nice guy and so am I, so let's not touch that.

*cough*

[lord berwick]

AwesomeName wrote...

Everything Stanley Woo said there was spot on. They offer a product (which is a luxury, not a need) which you can choose to buy or not... Fumbleumble, you can't treat it as if it's a tax...

QFT

[AesirEdge]

i feel this is a good time to *runs in circles* RRAAGGGEEE!!!





like every post above mine, you don't like it? don't buy/play it

[Kusy]

Mass Effect 2 met the expectations of generall public. I don't feel decived, each teaser, each video and each news was preparing players that ME2 will be a more intense shooter rather than a more developed RPG. Absolutely all the time the devs were saying they greatly improved the combat and storytelling - the showed up to be true. Nobody was decived by BioWare - if you expected anything else from the game - blame your own hype and the wet dreams it probobly caused you.

[Unit-Alpha]

Am I the only one who is worried about hubris on the part of ME's devs now?

[Kusy]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Am I the only one who is worried about hubris on the part of ME's devs now?

I'm not sure how they exacly show it... care to explain?

[osprey156]

I agree wholeheartily with Mr. Woo. I saw absolutely no deception in regards to ME2 or DA:O. It is entirely the responsibility of the consumer to decide what he/she wants to purchase and it is in their best interests to do the research necessary to make that descision.
Go cry elsewhere OP.

Modifié par osprey156, 08 avril 2010 - 01:16 .

[illerianna]

Fumbleumble wrote...

because the only person to blame for a poor purchasing decision is yourself. Thank you.

That must have been lost on you.

I paid for Star Trek Online, before reading any reviews. I just said, "Hey, I'm a ST fangirl, STO will be great!!!!11!!!11".

It wasn't. I hated it. I just wasted $50.

Is that Cryptic's fault? No. I was the one who rushed into buying it. It's my fault for not reading. Cryptic did not lie to me in any way, it was an MMO, it was based on ST. I didn't like it, I should have researched, but I BOUGHT THE THING. Cryptic did not threaten me into paying for it or anything.

You bought it. Learn from that, and quit ****ing. You weren't "decieved," you just failed to do your homework.

The quality of the game is based on personal opinion. Quit acting like *your* preference defines the RPG genre. But it's sad that you go, "IT'S NOT AN RPG? FFFFUUUUU" and ragequit, like shooter games are out to take your virginity. Calm down, quit ragin', and go play ME1 if it's so much better.

As Zaeed would say... Goddamn.

[Lord_Tirian]

First, why do you think that ME2 doesn't appeal to fans of ME1? Don't generalise your own point of view, that's usually helpful.



And the advertising included a lot of gameplay videos - if the class trailers haven't shown off the more shooter-centric gameplay... I don't know. And magazines do reviews for a reason and every review on the web pretty much said so much. "Caveat emptor" - buyer beware - is not just a hollow phrase, it's good advice whenever money is involved.



And for the direction of ME3 - how the hell are they supposed to know? Design is something that changes and evolves and includes the feedback of playtesters. You can't predict that 100% - it's bound to change. And the overall direction - fast-paced RPG with light mechanics, well that was clear since ME1.



I feel for you that ME2 didn't develop into a directed welcomed by you - and I think it's more than valid that you criticise that development and that you provide feedback (and there are a couple of things that ME1 did better in my opinion) - but going from "I'm disappointed" to "you deceived me!" is a bit of a jump.

[Unit-Alpha]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Am I the only one who is worried about hubris on the part of ME's devs now?

I'm not sure how they exacly show it... care to explain?

No, they aren't technically showing it...yet; I just think ME2's success might cause it. The fact that they are now very disconnected from the forums kinda worries me.