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[spacehamsterZH]

Based on the info I'd seen, and I watched/read a lot of it, ME2 actually turned out to be less of a shooter than I expected it to be. I'm sorry, but that's how it went for me. The info was out there.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 08 avril 2010 - 01:17 .

[xDarkicex]

osprey156 wrote...

I agree wholeheartily with Mr. Woo. I saw absolutely no deception in regards to ME2 or DA:O. It is entirely the responsibility of the consumer to decide what he/she wants to purchase and it is in their best interests to do the research necessary to make that descision.
Go cry elsewhere OP.

Are you a Fool, do you really think companies should be allowed to say what they want about their product and that should be just fine? sure with games all it takes is some internet surfing to see what the game is really going to look like but what about drugs, chemicals, cleaning supply's so on their are tons of things that a consumer can not really find out if a product is good or not and a lot of consumers are not tech savvy people that use the computer all they have to go off of is that Ads say and their friends companies should not be able to make up a pipe dream and say it is reality. 
And in truth what is wrong with being upfront about your games graphics, instead of using Pre Rendered videos that in almost no way represent your game?

Their are laws against False Advertising 
http://definitions.u...se-advertising/

[Jon Phoenix]

Where did this misconception come from that Mass Effect is purely a shooter come from? The game is still 70-80% talking and 20-30% combat. That doesn't differ between the games at all.



Sure they streamlined the game, but the core experience is still there. Roleplaying/epic story/choices and visceral combat.

[NvVanity]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Am I the only one who is worried about hubris on the part of ME's devs now?

I'm not sure how they exacly show it... care to explain?

No, they aren't technically showing it...yet; I just think ME2's success might cause it. The fact that they are now very disconnected from the forums kinda worries me.

Hubris? Uh oh. Sounds like Bioware is planning to overthrow the Maker. Better go get the Grey Wardens started up.

[chool77]

much love guys

nvm

Modifié par chool77, 08 avril 2010 - 01:30 .

[AntiChri5]

The Wardens would support an overthrow of the maker.

[spacehamsterZH]

Jon Phoenix wrote...

Where did this misconception come from that Mass Effect is purely a shooter come from?

From people who don't play shooters.

[Onyx Jaguar]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Jon Phoenix wrote...

Where did this misconception come from that Mass Effect is purely a shooter come from?

From people who don't play shooters.

Yes

[Lord_Tirian]

slimgrin wrote...

I see Stan's impenetrable defensive wall still hasn't caved. I don't think it ever will, which is too bad, because Its reassuring when someone takes criticism to heart once in a while. I'm not defending the O.P. here, just observing Stan rail yet again to a critical response to the game.

Note that I'm only agreeing to Woo's statement of "caveat emptor" - and that the content of his statement is essentially correct.

I do think, however, that he could've written the statement wit a bit more tact and grace (and sometimes not saying anything is also helpful... silence is golden, but then people also complain), though the OP is pretty confrontational, no? And... policing the forums here is probably grating on anybody's nerves after a while!

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I suspect I'm deploying gold coins, but hey...

Fumbleumble wrote...

waaaaaaah waaaaah waaaah oh booo hoo hoo baawwwww

OP, big boys make decisions after examining the options.  Little boys see "Mass Effect 2" and assume it's Mass Effect 1 expanded.  If you had read one or two reviews, you could have behaved like a big boy too. 

That you have turned into an utterly unscrupulous company who will tell and propose any number of obfuscations and that you very own words are not to be believed

You play Vampire don't you?  So cute.    The point comes back to Buyer Beware.  Know the product you're buying.  Big boys make decisions based on facts. 

...if you are no longer aiming games at the genre I play than I have no reason to be here.

Please stay, I get a huge laugh out of your childishness and I will enjoy watching you grow into a man over the next few months.

[ImperialSoldier]

Fumbleumble wrote...

...if you are no longer aiming games at the genre I play than I have no reason to be here.

Oh, I get it now. You are RPGing a pouting baby. Nice one. Very realistic.

[SpaceLion2071]

I've played every single BioWare game to date and I didn't feel wronged at all by ME2, it was actually a tighter all around game than the first. And to be honest, it's because I'm still role-playing. I'm playing Shepard. I make his choices, so I play his role. Role-playing. See, having stats for weapons and an endless amount of number comparisons don't make an RPG. True, they may be elements of some RPGs, traditional D&D based and J-RPG, but that doesn't make them exclusive to RPGs, nor the defining factor.
I'm sorry you feel wronged by this purchase, but don't include us all in your lament, some of us are really enjoying it.


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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 08 avril 2010 - 07:41 .

[Crackseed]

As quoted by others, the end of the line stops with your wallet - if you get sucked into the hype and don't do your research, which was EVERYWHERE, it is your fault - not Bioware's. The game was exactly as advertised and even if I have a few gripes and things I want to see return in ME3, I don't feel cheated or lied to at all. The game is amazing and was well worth my money - advertised properly by the devs and media.

Modifié par crackseed, 08 avril 2010 - 01:40 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

So from what Stanley Woo say?

[Zachariah Tam]

I judge each game on its own merits, even if it is a sequel or even an expansion. I have a broad range of tastes so it doesn't bother me the changes from ME1 to ME2. Game mechanics have changed but the story elements and setting remains the same.

[osprey156]

xDarkicex wrote...

osprey156 wrote...

I agree wholeheartily with Mr. Woo. I saw absolutely no deception in regards to ME2 or DA:O. It is entirely the responsibility of the consumer to decide what he/she wants to purchase and it is in their best interests to do the research necessary to make that descision.
Go cry elsewhere OP.

Are you a Fool, do you really think companies should be allowed to say what they want about their product and that should be just fine? sure with games all it takes is some internet surfing to see what the game is really going to look like but what about drugs, chemicals, cleaning supply's so on their are tons of things that a consumer can not really find out if a product is good or not and a lot of consumers are not tech savvy people that use the computer all they have to go off of is that Ads say and their friends companies should not be able to make up a pipe dream and say it is reality. 
And in truth what is wrong with being upfront about your games graphics, instead of using Pre Rendered videos that in almost no way represent your game?

Their are laws against False Advertising 
http://definitions.u...se-advertising/

I was refering specifically to entertainment products such as games, movies and music, though I did not specify, so that's my bad.  In any case, the point is that I haven't seen any deception in what BioWare has said about any of their games during pre-release advertising.  What do expect them to say, "Fans of traditional western-style RPG's are going to think this game is absolute rubish'?  No, they're going to play up the RPG elements while showing off the shooter elements.  Is it really so bad to wait a week after a game/movie/album is released and actually do some research into it before you buy it?  Life is not about always being "first".  Be smart and know what you're getting into.

[hex23]

xDarkicex wrote...

Poster has a point Bioware has been using trickery Did any of you see the TV Ads for DA:O? from those Ads I expected a game with graphics like ME2 and really intense Combat, both of which the game didn't have.

If this was '94 you might have a point. But it's 2010 and there is a ton of places to get info on a game. We don't have to rely on commercials or magazine ads as our sole sources of game info. I knew exactly what "DA:O" was because I researched it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

hex23 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Poster has a point Bioware has been using trickery Did any of you see the TV Ads for DA:O? from those Ads I expected a game with graphics like ME2 and really intense Combat, both of which the game didn't have.

If this was '94 you might have a point. But it's 2010 and there is a ton of places to get info on a game. We don't have to rely on commercials or magazine ads as our sole sources of game info. I knew exactly what "DA:O" was because I researched it.

The adds of DA in their current state shouldn't exist.  

A) Doesn't represent the game
 Target of the adds most definately is misleading them because like you said many researched DA.  But the target market for those adds most likely did not.

[osprey156]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
The adds of DA in their current state shouldn't exist.  

A) Doesn't represent the game
 Target of the adds most definately is misleading them because like you said many researched DA.  But the target market for those adds most likely did not.

Then that would be their fault for not doing so.

Modifié par osprey156, 08 avril 2010 - 01:49 .

[AntiChri5]

Actually i have to say the Dragon Age ads were really misleading, and targeted at an audience that they knew would NOT do their homework.

[hex23]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The adds of DA in their current state shouldn't exist.  

A) Doesn't represent the game
 Target of the adds most definately is misleading them because like you said many researched DA.  But the target market for those adds most likely did not.

And how is it Bioware's fault that people didn't research the game? The people who researched it obviously have nothing to complain about, it either interested them and they bought it, or it didn't and they steered clear of it.

By that logic we could say "why does ME2 have so much dialogue, when the launch trailer showed nonstop shooting and action for 2 minutes?". This has nothing to do with misleading people or "false advertising" and everything to do with people having false expectations because of their limited knowledge of a product. That's not Bioware's fault.

[Onyx Jaguar]

hex23 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The adds of DA in their current state shouldn't exist.  

A) Doesn't represent the game
 Target of the adds most definately is misleading them because like you said many researched DA.  But the target market for those adds most likely did not.

And how is it Bioware's fault that people didn't research the game? The people who researched it obviously have nothing to complain about, it either interested them and they bought it, or it didn't and they steered clear of it.

By that logic we could say "why does ME2 have so much dialogue, when the launch trailer showed nonstop shooting and action for 2 minutes?". This has nothing to do with misleading people or "false advertising" and everything to do with people having false expectations because of their limited knowledge of a product. That's not Bioware's fault.

It is totally misleading!  The market where the adds were shown were on TV.  Some of these people may not have the Internet and the AD may be the only thing they have going off of the game!

Its not about who researched it or not you are assuming all buyers of these products research them.  While in fact many may be influenced by that advertisement and the advertisement has NOTHING to do with the game