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[ImperialSoldier]

xDarkicex wrote...

Are you a Fool, do you really think companies should be allowed to say what they want about their product and that should be just fine? sure with games all it takes is some internet surfing to see what the game is really going to look like but what about drugs, chemicals, cleaning supply's so on their are tons of things that a consumer can not really find out if a product is good or not and a lot of consumers are not tech savvy people that use the computer all they have to go off of is that Ads say and their friends companies should not be able to make up a pipe dream and say it is reality. 
And in truth what is wrong with being upfront about your games graphics, instead of using Pre Rendered videos that in almost no way represent your game?

Their are laws against False Advertising 
http://definitions.u...se-advertising/

There are words created for you in the English language:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/moron

There are about the same number of "prerendered" scenes as in ME1 if you consider the scope of the game. Download BINK player, look through the game files of both games and you'll see all the prerendered clips, not as much as you think there are. These days people whine and cry about everything. "Oh my a pickle fell on my chin from my burger, lawsuit". "Oh I spilled coffee on my lap as I drive off in my car, lets blame the coffee shop." "Oh I bought a video game that has an incredible amount of information online about it, and I somehow I couldn't get my brain to think and read it." There should be a law against such stupidity.

[xDarkicex]

osprey156 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

osprey156 wrote...

I agree wholeheartily with Mr. Woo. I saw absolutely no deception in regards to ME2 or DA:O. It is entirely the responsibility of the consumer to decide what he/she wants to purchase and it is in their best interests to do the research necessary to make that descision.
Go cry elsewhere OP.

Are you a Fool, do you really think companies should be allowed to say what they want about their product and that should be just fine? sure with games all it takes is some internet surfing to see what the game is really going to look like but what about drugs, chemicals, cleaning supply's so on their are tons of things that a consumer can not really find out if a product is good or not and a lot of consumers are not tech savvy people that use the computer all they have to go off of is that Ads say and their friends companies should not be able to make up a pipe dream and say it is reality. 
And in truth what is wrong with being upfront about your games graphics, instead of using Pre Rendered videos that in almost no way represent your game?

Their are laws against False Advertising 
http://definitions.u...se-advertising/

I was refering specifically to entertainment products such as games, movies and music, though I did not specify, so that's my bad.  In any case, the point is that I haven't seen any deception in what BioWare has said about any of their games during pre-release advertising.  What do expect them to say, "Fans of traditional western-style RPG's are going to think this game is absolute rubish'?  No, they're going to play up the RPG elements while showing off the shooter elements.  Is it really so bad to wait a week after a game/movie/album is released and actually do some research into it before you buy it?  Life is not about always being "first".  Be smart and know what you're getting into.

I bought ME2 day one and loved it, bought all other bioware games as well I just find it wrong for a company to say "Do your homework and manage your own expectations, because the only person to blame for a poor purchasing decision is yourself. Thank you."
People shouldn't have too go to third party places or watch behind the scenes info on the game to find out what it really is they should be up front about it.

The fact that they have the nerve to say blame the poor purchasing decision on yourself is just wrong and slightly rude.

to others on my other post YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO RESEARCH A GAME! end of story, their is no excuse for the use of trickery they showed in their trailer.

[AntiChri5]

Bioware advertised it (DA) as a different genre entirely, which almost drove me away.

Modifié par AntiChri5, 08 avril 2010 - 01:54 .

[Sago_mulch]

RAAAAGH! TOO MANY WORDS FOR VORCHA TO READ! VORCHA NO READ WELL!

[AntiChri5]

Modifié par AntiChri5, 08 avril 2010 - 01:54 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Bioware advertised it as a different genre entirely, which almost drove me away.

This exactly.  You don't advertise a Honda Civic as a Pickup Truck then yell at the consumer because they were expecting to get a Pickup Truck because "They didn't do their research"

[ImperialSoldier]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The adds of DA in their current state shouldn't exist.  

A) Doesn't represent the game
 Target of the adds most definately is misleading them because like you said many researched DA.  But the target market for those adds most likely did not.

And how is it Bioware's fault that people didn't research the game? The people who researched it obviously have nothing to complain about, it either interested them and they bought it, or it didn't and they steered clear of it.

By that logic we could say "why does ME2 have so much dialogue, when the launch trailer showed nonstop shooting and action for 2 minutes?". This has nothing to do with misleading people or "false advertising" and everything to do with people having false expectations because of their limited knowledge of a product. That's not Bioware's fault.

It is totally misleading!  The market where the adds were shown were on TV.  Some of these people may not have the Internet and the AD may be the only thing they have going off of the game!

Thanks for confirming that the people posting on the forums about being "mislead" are idiots without an excuse to why they didn't research anything.

[Onyx Jaguar]

ImperialSoldier wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The adds of DA in their current state shouldn't exist.  

A) Doesn't represent the game
 Target of the adds most definately is misleading them because like you said many researched DA.  But the target market for those adds most likely did not.

And how is it Bioware's fault that people didn't research the game? The people who researched it obviously have nothing to complain about, it either interested them and they bought it, or it didn't and they steered clear of it.

By that logic we could say "why does ME2 have so much dialogue, when the launch trailer showed nonstop shooting and action for 2 minutes?". This has nothing to do with misleading people or "false advertising" and everything to do with people having false expectations because of their limited knowledge of a product. That's not Bioware's fault.

It is totally misleading!  The market where the adds were shown were on TV.  Some of these people may not have the Internet and the AD may be the only thing they have going off of the game!

Thanks for confirming that the people posting on the forums about being "mislead" are idiots without an excuse to why they didn't research anything.

I'm not talking about that I'm talking about the ADS in general.  

EDIT:  Granted I am seeing what you are saying however

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 08 avril 2010 - 01:56 .

[osprey156]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The adds of DA in their current state shouldn't exist.  

A) Doesn't represent the game
 Target of the adds most definately is misleading them because like you said many researched DA.  But the target market for those adds most likely did not.

And how is it Bioware's fault that people didn't research the game? The people who researched it obviously have nothing to complain about, it either interested them and they bought it, or it didn't and they steered clear of it.

By that logic we could say "why does ME2 have so much dialogue, when the launch trailer showed nonstop shooting and action for 2 minutes?". This has nothing to do with misleading people or "false advertising" and everything to do with people having false expectations because of their limited knowledge of a product. That's not Bioware's fault.

It is totally misleading!  The market where the adds were shown were on TV.  Some of these people may not have the Internet and the AD may be the only thing they have going off of the game!

Its not about who researched it or not you are assuming all buyers of these products research them.  While in fact many may be influenced by that advertisement and the advertisement has NOTHING to do with the game

If they have a PC that can run the game, a 360 or PS3, then I highly doubt that they are so shut in that those TV ads are the only exposure to the game that people could obtain.  Even if it where the case, the point is that it is universally stupid to make purchase descisions based solely off of TV ads.  That goes for any product.
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Modifié par osprey156, 08 avril 2010 - 01:59 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

osprey156 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The adds of DA in their current state shouldn't exist.  

A) Doesn't represent the game
 Target of the adds most definately is misleading them because like you said many researched DA.  But the target market for those adds most likely did not.

And how is it Bioware's fault that people didn't research the game? The people who researched it obviously have nothing to complain about, it either interested them and they bought it, or it didn't and they steered clear of it.

By that logic we could say "why does ME2 have so much dialogue, when the launch trailer showed nonstop shooting and action for 2 minutes?". This has nothing to do with misleading people or "false advertising" and everything to do with people having false expectations because of their limited knowledge of a product. That's not Bioware's fault.

It is totally misleading!  The market where the adds were shown were on TV.  Some of these people may not have the Internet and the AD may be the only thing they have going off of the game!

Its not about who researched it or not you are assuming all buyers of these products research them.  While in fact many may be influenced by that advertisement and the advertisement has NOTHING to do with the game

If they have a PC that can run the game, a 360 or PS3, then I highly doubt that they are so shut in that those TV ads are the only exposure to the game that people could obtain.  Even if it where the case, the point is that it is universally stupid to make purchase descisions based solely off of TV ads.  That goes for any product.
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No its downright negligent.  If you have ANY background in business you should know that 9 times out of 10 this will bite you in the ass.  The video game industry needs to catch up on this.

[7th_Phoenix]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Actually i have to say the Dragon Age ads were really misleading, and targeted at an audience that they knew would NOT do their homework.

Unfortunately, they were misleading. Thankfully... I did my research and didn't let them overwhelm me. I bought the game because it appealed to me being that it was an RPG and you could customize a character. I also watched gameplay in the E3 demo and thought it was good.

If someone's going to buy a game simply based off a commercial, they've got another thing coming. There's more to a game than good graphics and fast action. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

The bottom line is was that Dragon Age was not advertised in those ads. Those ads had NOTHING to do with the game. It was all prerendered CG garbage that's intent was to be misleading.

[hex23]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

It is totally misleading!  The market where the adds were shown were on TV.  Some of these people may not have the Internet and the AD may be the only thing they have going off of the game!

Its not about who researched it or not you are assuming all buyers of these products research them.  While in fact many may be influenced by that advertisement and the advertisement has NOTHING to do with the game

The burden of research is with the consumer. Period. Anybody who buys something based on a TV commercial alone is an idiot. Sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth.

75% of the U.S. has internet access. That's where most of the "ME2" sales come from. So not having access to the internet is not an excuse. You could go to a public library or coffee shop or a ton of places and use the internet for free regardless, so "I can't use the internet to research something" is not a good excuse. Again, if this was '93 or something that might fly. In 2010, not at all. Someone is willing to pay $50 or more but can't spend 15 minutes researching what they're buying? Yeah, they're an idiot.

Besides, if we're going off TV ads "ME2" is an action packed 3rd person shooter. It didn't say anything about RPG elements, at all.

[xDarkicex]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Bioware advertised it as a different genre entirely, which almost drove me away.

This exactly.  You don't advertise a Honda Civic as a Pickup Truck then yell at the consumer because they were expecting to get a Pickup Truck because "They didn't do their research"

This Exactly

[AesirEdge]

Sago_mulch wrote...

RAAAAGH! TOO MANY WORDS FOR VORCHA TO READ! VORCHA NO READ WELL!

hahahaha, i'm sorry, that was awesome, among the sea of angry large posts, i stumbed upon this expecting another large, angry, post. What a surprise.

[Onyx Jaguar]

hex23 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

It is totally misleading!  The market where the adds were shown were on TV.  Some of these people may not have the Internet and the AD may be the only thing they have going off of the game!

Its not about who researched it or not you are assuming all buyers of these products research them.  While in fact many may be influenced by that advertisement and the advertisement has NOTHING to do with the game

The burden of research is with the consumer. Period. Anybody who buys something based on a TV commercial alone is an idiot. Sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth.

75% of the U.S. has internet access. That's where most of the "ME2" sales come from. So not having access to the internet is not an excuse. You could go to a public library or coffee shop or a ton of places and use the internet for free regardless, so "I can't use the internet to research something" is not a good excuse. Again, if this was '93 or something that might fly. In 2010, not at all. Someone is willing to pay $50 or more but can't spend 15 minutes researching what they're buying? Yeah, they're an idiot.

Besides, if we're going off TV ads "ME2" is an action packed 3rd person shooter. It didn't say anything about RPG elements, at all.

I'm not talking about ME2 I was talking about Dragon Age!

[hex23]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Bioware advertised it (DA) as a different genre entirely, which almost drove me away.

If someone let's their total buying experience be dictated by a 30 second TV ad, they deserve to be "fooled".

As far as myself, I seen an ad for "DA:O", went online and about 5 minutes later I knew exactly what type of game it was because I had seen it in action. This isn't 1982. We can do our own research now.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

xDarkicex wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Bioware advertised it as a different genre entirely, which almost drove me away.

This exactly.  You don't advertise a Honda Civic as a Pickup Truck then yell at the consumer because they were expecting to get a Pickup Truck because "They didn't do their research"

This Exactly

You guys are the reason there are labels on hot coffee that say "Hot Coffee!  It might burn you because it is hot!"

[byronb23]

I completely agree that everyone had the ability to do research and shouldnt complain about advertisement, but check this out.



It would be pretty brilliant if the game was actually like these ads =D

[hex23]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I'm not talking about ME2 I was talking about Dragon Age!

What I said could just as easily apply to "Dragon Age". Or pretty much anything.

[AntiChri5]

7th_Phoenix wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Actually i have to say the Dragon Age ads were really misleading, and targeted at an audience that they knew would NOT do their homework.

Unfortunately, they were misleading. Thankfully... I did my research and didn't let them overwhelm me. I bought the game because it appealed to me being that it was an RPG and you could customize a character. I also watched gameplay in the E3 demo and thought it was good.

If someone's going to buy a game simply based off a commercial, they've got another thing coming. There's more to a game than good graphics and fast action. 

Yes, and the Dragon Age marketing campaign was aimed at those who would think that.....who are coincedentally the least likely to research the product and buy it simply because "Awesome! Look at that sword and.....OOOOH SHINY"

I am imagining a Ninja Gaiden fanboy who has never played a proper RPG sitting there with the game yelling "What is all the talkings for!! Whats a blight......I WANT KILLINGZ"

[WrexEffex]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

WrexEffex wrote...

I can't tell you how many times I've seen people call this an FPS. I'm not trying to be a dick, I just think it's funny.

Yeah, if you wanted to be a dick, you would point out how that proves people who think ME2 is "a shooter" really have no idea what a shooter is, but... you're a nice guy and so am I, so let's not touch that.

*cough*

*cough*

[Inquisitor Recon]

Mass Effect 2 didn't look as good as it did on the TV commercial.



And when I bought that new beer they were advertising, hot twins in bikinis didn't show up at my front door. I want a refund!

[Onyx Jaguar]

hex23 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I'm not talking about ME2 I was talking about Dragon Age!

What I said could just as easily apply to "Dragon Age". Or pretty much anything.

No, Dragon Age's advertisement is COMPLETELY MISLEADING and IRRESPONSIBLE from a business perspective.  If this was any other product they would get their asses handed to them.  The ads have NOTHING to do with the game and they were made because DA's graphics were not sexy so in order to gain hype they made a "sexy" version of the game that does not exist.