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Pro-Human Dominance VS Pro-Alien Cooperation

Débuté par UpDownLeftRight , avril 08 2010 02:13

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:22

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Nightwriter wrote...


Seriously - did you really expect us all to sit here and let you try to pass off pessimism as realism? That old thing again? Come on.


You must live in a box or be incredibly dumb if you think reality lives up to hype.

Nightwriter wrote...

It's not about idealism, it's about the pursuit of ideals. The standards we hold ourselves to should be unachievable, because it's the meaning of the struggle to achieve them that's important.


Sure, that's true. However you should still temper your idealism with a dose of reality (or pessimism, as it were).

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:23

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"Anything worth doing is worth doing well. Nothing worth doing is ever easy."



110% agreed Nightwriter. Life is, and has always been, about the journey, not the destination. It's not about what we leave behind, though that is certainly a part, but about how we lived, how we achieve our legacy. Everything good that we enjoy now is due to someone, somewhere, choosing to stand up and work for something that was bigger than themselves, something that would have a lasting impact on the world in which we live.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:23

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“Coming together is a beginning. Keeping together is progress. Working together is success.” -Henry Ford

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:26

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Shandepared wrote...

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Newspapers report only the bad news.

When was the last time you saw the headline, "USA and Great Britan: Still Friends."


"Obama gives DVD's to the royal family."


Clearly, if he didn't give them DVD's, they would of withdrawn their support from Iraq.

I'm talking about more than personal gestures.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 09 avril 2010 - 07:27 .

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:28

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Massadonious1 wrote...

Clearly, if he didn't give them DVD's, they would of withdrawn their support from Iraq.


I'm pretty sure they're doing just that.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:31

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Regardless, that's not the point I was trying to make.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:32

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Massadonious1 wrote...

Regardless, that's not the point I was trying to make.


Fine, bad news sells. I'll admit that. I'm not sure how that discounts anything I was saying though. The fool I was arguine with has zero understanding of how politics works.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:33

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Shandepared wrote...

Sure, that's true. However you should still temper your idealism with a dose of reality (or pessimism, as it were).


It's true, a little idealism and pessimism should be balanced. But the scales should look like this:

Image IPB



Your scales look like this:
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Yes? Yeah? Difference seen? I use diagrams, I am clever.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:35

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Commonsense is on the wrong side of the scale. It should exchange places with chaos.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 07:55

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I can see it now, the final battle of ME 3 (full Renegade):



There's the Normandy. And an ancient Alliance cruiser because "the Alliance Navy suffers from a sudden influenza epidemic that apparently spread during the last pre-mission tactical briefing."

And a battered Turian cruiser carrying a few juvenile Asari commandos. "Well there's this Salarian itching fever that got all our ship crews during pre-battle R&R brawl." Add a single Geth dropship - "Consensus not yet reached!" - a centuries-old Batarian Dreadnaught - "Well something's gotten to our slaves, so we can't bring the ships from port. Sorry!" - and a few Quarian scouts explaining that the rest of the Migrant Fleet has experienced unforeseen difficulties during the evacuation of the Quarian civilians.



Ah yes, and former Corporal Toombs who wants a piece of Shepard and brought his mercs along!

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:04

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Wildecker is channeling Nostradamus.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:17

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Nightwriter wrote...

Wildecker is channeling Nostradamus.


Quick, someobody warn the History Channel of this flagrant violation of Copyright!

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:40

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

1. "Shepard should look out for the Human kind because he is Human" is a valid argument.


That's begging the question so no it isn't a valid argument.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:53

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UpDownLeftRight wrote...

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2. But there is more to it. Ever since the Rachni Wars the Council has been trying to impose evil peace and stability on the controlled space. After the Krogan Rebellions they pretty much succeded. They try to conserve the situation, by imposing restriction on space exploration, scientific research and arms production. And also by refusing to acknowledge threats and respond accordingly to them. Which made them obviously a some millionth sitting duck for the Reapers.

...what?


What "what?"?



I'm not really sure what he/she(enormousmoonboots) means as well. If I have to make an uneducated guess I'd guess that he/she doesn't understand what you mean with the term 'evil peace'. Hope that helps you, Zulu!:wizard:


"Evil peace" is a piece of philosophy. The one that attributes all the good things in the world (like the life) to the motion of matter. Which is eternal struggle (and war is one form of the struggle). Peace is negation of the motion, and is found only in the "embrace of the goddess".

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 08:54

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wiggles89 wrote...

That's begging the question so no it isn't a valid argument.


How about this: "Shepard is an officer in the Systems Alliance military which exists to protect and advance human interests. Thefore Shepard should look out for human interests. "

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:03

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Shandepared wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

That's begging the question so no it isn't a valid argument.


How about this: "Shepard is an officer in the Systems Alliance military which exists to protect and advance human interests. Thefore Shepard should look out for human interests. "


More Shepards then not let that Spectre title go to their soft heads.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:09

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Shandepared wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

That's begging the question so no it isn't a valid argument.


How about this: "Shepard is an officer in the Systems Alliance military which exists to protect and advance human interests. Thefore Shepard should look out for human interests. "


We should have been decomissioned from the Alliance on becoming a Spectre to prevent conflicts of interest.

As I am a newcomer to the thread, I shall post my opinion:
I'm pro-alien cooperation because I see too many stupid humans.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:16

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Keltoris wrote...


We should have been decomissioned from the Alliance on becoming a Spectre to prevent conflicts of interest.


I'm sure the Council would have liked that, yes.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:17

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

How about this: "Shepard is an officer in the Systems Alliance military which exists to protect and advance human interests. Thefore Shepard should look out for human interests. "


More Shepards then not let that Spectre title go to their soft heads.


You devil, you.

More Shepards than not forget that that title comes with broader responsibilities.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:21

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Nightwriter wrote...

More Shepards than not forget that that title comes with broader responsibilities.


The purpose of getting a human in the Spectres is to advance human interests. It is all politics and nothing more. The Council woud obviously prefer that you sever all ties with humanity and work against your people. Anderson explains it all quite well after your first meeting with them.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:28

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Keltoris wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

That's begging the question so no it isn't a valid argument.


How about this: "Shepard is an officer in the Systems Alliance military which exists to protect and advance human interests. Thefore Shepard should look out for human interests. "


We should have been decomissioned from the Alliance on becoming a Spectre to prevent conflicts of interest.

As I am a newcomer to the thread, I shall post my opinion:
I'm pro-alien cooperation because I see too many stupid humans.


Why do you refuse to see (or just forget to mention) the stupid aliens? Is it "affirmative action" on your part or what?

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:31

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The act of becoming a Spectre in and of itself advances humanity.

Once you become a Spectre, however, you must turn your attention away from that political picture and understand you're part of something bigger now. That humanity is part of something bigger.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:36

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Nightwriter wrote...

The act of becoming a Spectre in and of itself advances humanity.


Of-course, but keeping that Spectre tied to humanity advances us even further.

What you want is for that lone Spectre to play right into the Council's plans. You see they can get away with their Spectres being un-attached because those other Spectres are members of the Council races. With Shepard this isn't the case in the first game. Without a human on the Council humanity is still at a great disadvantage.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:40

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Nightwriter wrote...

The act of becoming a Spectre in and of itself advances humanity.

Once you become a Spectre, however, you must turn your attention away from that political picture and understand you're part of something bigger now. That humanity is part of something bigger.


And, it is in the best interests of that "bigger" that humanity takes the lead.

On another note: I don't remember a formal decomission from the Alliance. Nore importantly, neither do I recall swearing an oath of allegiance whatsoever to the Council.

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Posté 09 avril 2010 - 09:44

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Zulu_DFA wrote...
And, it is in the best interests of that "bigger" that humanity takes the lead.


why?
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