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[Godak]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

That's really terrible. I'm glad I'm past the teenager phase because they and adults just get worse.

Yeah, I still have a few years left. Go me!

[Seagloom]

Ah, nothing like another reminder of how backwards and idiotic people can be. This goes way beyond the boundaries of good taste. This girl did take it well, because merely hearing this story makes me want to punch someone in retaliation. Unfortunately it does not come as a surprise at all. Prejudice and ignorance reign supreme and shall continue to do so long after we are all dust in the wind.



(Can you tell I lack confidence in humanity yet? )

[tyvon]

I'm a Christian but in the case of gay rights I think that there should be just as many rights for them because they are citizens, too. I do think states should be allowed to choose whether to support gay marraige becayse it is a generally religious ceremony. People shouldn't assume Christians hate gays or their rights.

[Appolo90]

Just a bunch of worthless people who did this to that girl. I'm not homosexual, but this is one of those issues that gets me pissed off the most. Intolerance for no reason at all.

[Nhadalie]

That's terrible. The school is going to get their asses kicked over this. It's unethical to say the least.





A school has no right to discriminate against any students. Regardless of who they are, or what their sexuality is.

[Borothir]

High school. Man that place sucks. But, the awesomeness of college awaits once you're through! class, games, games, games, food, games, class, games, games, sleep.

[addiction21]

I liked her response.

[Statulos]

tyvon wrote...

I'm a Christian but in the case of gay rights I think that there should be just as many rights for them because they are citizens, too. I do think states should be allowed to choose whether to support gay marraige becayse it is a generally religious ceremony. People shouldn't assume Christians hate gays or their rights.

If we´re talking about law, the fact that marriage is celebrated with whatever ritual you like is irrelevant to the eyes of Johnny Law: marriage as a right is a form of contract between two free and willing individuals.

If we also know that law cannot discriminate for reasons such as political tendency, sex, ethnicity, preferences and so on; and considering that a non-heterosexual is as citizen as a heterosexual (they pay taxes, they can hold representative positions, they vote, they can enroll the armed forces, they have a SSN...); I just do not see why they are denied the right to get married.

Religious ideas are the respective holder´s issue, not something the law messes with.

[aristokrat18]

Chaos-fusion wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

I remember reading this story when she was battling for the prom. And now that Ive seen the conclusion...that's pretty sad.

Agreed. There's a reason I don't bother watching the news anymore. It's just too disheartening. <_<

Disheartening and way too biased (just the facts, please, not implications).  If I wanted opinions, I'd watch Oprah.

 http://social.bioware.com/brc/1687986

[Nhadalie]

Statulos wrote...
If we´re talking about law, the fact that marriage is celebrated with whatever ritual you like is irrelevant to the eyes of Johnny Law: marriage as a right is a form of contract between two free and willing individuals.

If we also know that law cannot discriminate for reasons such as political tendency, sex, ethnicity, preferences and so on; and considering that a non-heterosexual is as citizen as a heterosexual (they pay taxes, they can hold representative positions, they vote, they can enroll the armed forces, they have a SSN...); I just do not see why they are denied the right to get married.

Religious ideas are the respective holder´s issue, not something the law messes with.

I agree completely. And that's actually the main argument I've used in several school projects about Gay marriage.(Ironically enough. I went to a Catholic all girls school. And I specifically chose Gay rights and marriage as my topics.)

The US government has no right to deny gay marriage. They hold no real religious affiliation, and the religions do not have the right to force their beliefs on others in the way of law.(Look at how you can't even pray in schools.) Yet these same people get to decide whether someone else can marry someone they love or not?

Honestly, I don't think it's something we should even vote about. Yes, voting is important. But when it comes to something as big as the right of a person to marry who they wish, as long as that person is a consenting adult, it doesn't really matter what other people think about it. They deserve the same rights that heterosexual people do.

[Godak]

*Is very happy that the spammers are gone*



I still can't get over the fact that ADULTS thought, "Hey, these chicks are lesbian, and those people are a little slow...let's give them the wrong address! Ha, that'll show them for being born different!"



It's intolerance and pettiness at its worst. I find it deplorable that these are the types of people who supervise and teach children for a living.

[Statulos]

Nhadalie wrote...

Honestly, I don't think it's something we should even vote about. Yes, voting is important. But when it comes to something as big as the right of a person to marry who they wish, as long as that person is a consenting adult, it doesn't really matter what other people think about it. They deserve the same rights that heterosexual people do.

It´s not a question of mattering or not. They´re citizens too and as much as they keep their obligations (respect laws, & pay taxes to begging with) and are not criminals, the state has no right to deprive them from rights given to any other citizen.
Being married also alteers issues such as inhiritence, healthcare and taxes, so the rights´ denial is even bigger.

Actually I come from Spain and we approved it six years ago. No big deal, we´re still there and society has not crumbled down at all. We still have the same problems we had before the approval and people live in more or less the same way.

Modifié par Statulos, 08 avril 2010 - 05:55 .

[DukeOfNukes]

It's called groupthink. Get a certain amount of people agreeing, and even those that disagree will remain silent. There have been numerous studies of it...the most famous being the Stanford Prison Experiment. In it, a group of grad students was split in two, one half were prisoners, the other was guards. It basically resulted in the torture of the "prisoners" in order to make them obey the guards. Everyone got so involved in their roles...INCLUDING the researcher (who was acting as Warden) that it took an outside source to come in and tell him how horrible what he was doing was before he even noticed.



People are far more cruel than anyone wants to imagine...

[Statulos]

Be brave and speak your voice then; it´s not a big issue. I mean, there´s no need to follow John Brown´s path to protest against something unfair. And people now is far more sympathetic to things like this than a century ago.

[Godak]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

It's called groupthink. Get a certain amount of people agreeing, and even those that disagree will remain silent.

*Points to **** Germany*

Mob mentality is very dangerous.

[DrakkoRTE]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

People are far more cruel than anyone wants to imagine...

Amen . . .

[Statulos]

Godak wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

It's called groupthink. Get a certain amount of people agreeing, and even those that disagree will remain silent.

*Points to **** Germany*

Mob mentality is very dangerous.

And Pol-Pot, and Stalin, and McCarthy, and Mussolini... No place on Earth is free of that, Godak.

[Godak]

Statulos wrote...

Godak wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

It's called groupthink. Get a certain amount of people agreeing, and even those that disagree will remain silent.

*Points to **** Germany*

Mob mentality is very dangerous.

And Pol-Pot, and Stalin, and McCarthy, and Mussolini... No place on Earth is free of that, Godak.

Yes, I know. But people tend to be more ignorant of those administrations. Few people are familiar with how terrible collectivization of agriculture is, for example.

Modifié par Godak, 08 avril 2010 - 06:35 .

[Loerwyn]

It's not a question of gay rights. Gay rights is some ridiculous concept that needs to be thrown out and burnt.

It's about Gay Equality. This girl did not want special treatment, she wanted to attend her prom just like everyone else. Yeah, she wanted to go with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo, what's wrong with that? Are the other teenagers that jealous that she's happy to be herself and they're too busy doing what 90210 or The OC tells them is "right"?

But I'm happy for the teens with learning disabilities - According to that report they had the time of their lives, and I'm glad they did. Life is too short and too hard for many people, so you should have as much fun as you can.

[Godak]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Are the other teenagers that jealous that she's happy to be herself and they're too busy doing what 90210 or The OC tells them is "right"?

No, no! These were school staff members who did this. Adults. Probably teachers/administrators. Disgusting.

[Statulos]

Godak wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Godak wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

It's called groupthink. Get a certain amount of people agreeing, and even those that disagree will remain silent.

*Points to **** Germany*

Mob mentality is very dangerous.

And Pol-Pot, and Stalin, and McCarthy, and Mussolini... No place on Earth is free of that, Godak.

Yes, I know. But people tend to be more ignorant of those administrations. Few people are familiar with how terrible collectivization of agriculture is, for example.

Holodomor is hardly described as a monstruosity that happened because people did not stood up: Ukranians did and because of that, seven millions of them died from starvation.

But the Great Officer Purge closely follows what you have pointed out.

[addiction21]

The worst thing of this whole fiasco is that it seems like a entire schools population was just told by the adults that it is perfectly acceptable to disciminate. Thats disturbing and whats worse they will get slaps on the wrist if anything at all.

[Godak]

Statulos wrote...

Godak wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Godak wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

It's called groupthink. Get a certain amount of people agreeing, and even those that disagree will remain silent.

*Points to **** Germany*

Mob mentality is very dangerous.

And Pol-Pot, and Stalin, and McCarthy, and Mussolini... No place on Earth is free of that, Godak.

Yes, I know. But people tend to be more ignorant of those administrations. Few people are familiar with how terrible collectivization of agriculture is, for example.

Holodomor is hardly described as a monstruosity that happened because people did not stood up: Ukranians did and because of that, seven millions of them died from starvation.

But the Great Officer Purge closely follows what you have pointed out.

Holodomor would fall more closely in line with genocide, IMO. It was not a natural famine, but one created by Soviets to put an end to Ukranian nationalism.

As much as I DO like discussing this, I don't want to get the thread locked for derailment. Back on topic, folks! =P

[marbatico]

you know, if teachers or administrators of my school would do anything like that, every single student (thats a few hunderd) would riot, we would get student of other schools to riot and we wouldt stop until whoever did the discrimination was fired.

(we did it before, we can do it again)