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[bzombo]

Godak wrote...

Before I head off to bed...Watch this.

Screw you, world. Just...screw you.

that was just low on the school's part. what a backwards place that town is. and let's please avoid being like the people we're upset with. if we end up generalizing and stereotyping we are no better.

[KnightofPhoenix]

lol Ok, if you want to be intolerant and discriminate against a certain group, at least try to sound smart and mature about it. This is just really pathetic.

[Godak]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Although the actions of the teachers and administrators is inexcusable on a decent person level. It is hard to point fingers strictly in thier direction. To me it is a larger failure of society in general and the people in authority at the highest level....ie politicians and government officials. When these people promote laws that encourage segregation and discrimination in some way it is obviously going to influence the general populous. It's called setting an example that the government fails at and as a result these administrators failed at for the children.

If we're going to change the way the whole of society thinks, it helps to change the way individual people think.

[addiction21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

lol Ok, if you want to be intolerant and discriminate against a certain group, at least try to sound smart and mature about it. This is just really pathetic.

How about not doing it all? The action itself shows a lack of intelligence and maturity anyway so, I am not sure how someone could do it in a "smart and mature" way.

[Godak]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Godak wrote...

Darht Jayder wrote...

Although the actions of the teachers and administrators is inexcusable on a decent person level. It is hard to point fingers strictly in thier direction. To me it is a larger failure of society in general and the people in authority at the highest level....ie politicians and government officials. When these people promote laws that encourage segregation and discrimination in some way it is obviously going to influence the general populous. It's called setting an example that the government fails at and as a result these administrators failed at for the children.

If we're going to change the way the whole of society thinks, it helps to change the way individual people think.

True but there is something to be said for setting an example and it is the onus of those in authority to do so.

Agreed.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Darht Jayder wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

lol Ok, if you want to be intolerant and discriminate against a certain group, at least try to sound smart and mature about it. This is just really pathetic.

It is impossible to discriminate and be intolerant in a smart and mature manner let alone pretend to be.

Too much of an absolute statement for me to agree with. I met some people who are intolerant about certain things (with varying degrees), and yet manage to be mature compared to people such as this and are quite smart. Granted, they are a very tiny minority amongst "haters", but I've seen that it is possible. 

[Statulos]

I basicaly don´t like presbiterianism and evangelism in general; I think most of their asumptions are ridiculuos, biased and coward... But they also have the right to belive so and the right to consider that I am a monster, a sinner and an abomination.



The difference is that I have a very clear idea that I cannot discriminate them for my assumptions and opinions. It is very, very possible that some of my future students, coworkers and collegemates upholds to the credos I have stated above and I know that if I discriminate them, it will have repercussions.



To me that´s the definition of tolerance; recognizing that the other, even if you don´t like him/her is as entitled to live their lives as they consider fitting as you do.



Besides this; what gets me on my nerves on those people (and many others) is their insistence on "reedeeming me". First, I do not belive that "redemption" can come from outside oneself and besides, I am very happy with my future eternity of brimstone and suffering.

[marbatico]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Although the actions of the teachers and administrators is inexcusable on a decent person level. It is hard to point fingers strictly in thier direction. To me it is a larger failure of society in general and the people in authority at the highest level....ie politicians and government officials. When these people promote laws that encourage segregation and discrimination in some way it is obviously going to influence the general populous. It's called setting an example that the government fails at and as a result these administrators failed at for the children.

thats why i love living in the Netherlands, here its ''normal'' (to a certain rate) to be gay.

on the other hand, we have a weird court system. not long ago a police officer ,whilst checking poeple for alcohol, saw 10 kilo's of marihuana on someones back seat. the man who owned the car wasnt sentenced because the officer didnt ask permission to look into the car. weird hu?

[Statulos]

To be homosexual in particular and non-heterosexual is perfectly normal. Period.



Laws and social treatment of people with those preferences is a different animal.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Intolerance and discrimination are a byproduct of ignorance on some level...so while it may be possible to fake maturity and intelligence, it doesn't make the deed any less right or justified.  IMO

For the most part and for the vast majority of people, yes. But not always. (all acts can be traced back to the innate ignorance we are born with anyways). 

Of course, I am not justifying anything. I find hatred to be useless as the basis of an ideology or an act.

[marbatico]

i didnt meen its weird to be homosexual, but you have normal homosexuals, and you have the extremists (like those guys in a gay pride).

[addiction21]

marbatico wrote...

i didnt meen its weird to be homosexual, but you have normal homosexuals, and you have the extremists (like those guys in a gay pride).

You should just stop talking now.

Why are they extremists by marching in a pride parade? Are those people that march in any other parade extremists of whatever that parade is for?

Care to elaborate?

Modifié par addiction21, 08 avril 2010 - 07:36 .

[Loerwyn]

addiction21 wrote...

marbatico wrote...

i didnt meen its weird to be homosexual, but you have normal homosexuals, and you have the extremists (like those guys in a gay pride).

You should just stop talking now.

Why are they extremists by marching in a pride parade? Are those people that march in any other parade extremists of whatever that parade is for?

Care to elaborate?

It's a very tricky subject, to be honest.
Personally, I don't agree with "gay pride marches". I have no problem with homosexuals, nor people of other religions, but I do have a small problem with making a big song and dance (no pun intended) about it. Most of the population in a western city would not care about one's sexuality. Imagine the outrage that would occur if we had "Straight Pride" marches, for example.
To paraphrase the IT Crowd: "I'm comfortable with my sexuality, I just don't want to be slapped in the face with theirs".

[Statulos]

marbatico wrote...

i didnt meen its weird to be homosexual, but you have normal homosexuals, and you have the extremists (like those guys in a gay pride).

I am hetero and I have been in a couple of them in Chueca (a neightbourhood of Madrid). It was fun, truth be told; though I´d rather spend the night in a Death Metal concert...

Modifié par Statulos, 08 avril 2010 - 08:40 .

[Draugr]

jsachun wrote...

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

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It is in the state of Oregon. I think you can own up to 25 pounds or something ridiculous like that.

Citation needed.

[addiction21]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

It's a very tricky subject, to be honest.
Personally, I don't agree with "gay pride marches". I have no problem with homosexuals, nor people of other religions, but I do have a small problem with making a big song and dance (no pun intended) about it. Most of the population in a western city would not care about one's sexuality. Imagine the outrage that would occur if we had "Straight Pride" marches, for example.
To paraphrase the IT Crowd: "I'm comfortable with my sexuality, I just don't want to be slapped in the face with theirs".

I do agree very much that it is a tricky subject. Where do you draw the line? Are you just as upset with the Thanksgiving day parades? How about when a local sports team has a parade because they won the big game? Do you feel your being slapped in the face if you do not like that particular sport? Is it because it is a parade? Or is it because it is a "gay" parade?
How many times has you daily life been interupted with the "big song and dance" of a gay parade? How much inconviance has it really caused you? Or anyone?

Sorry to come out swinging but really think about what I asked. No need to answer them here. I have had this "fight" with good friends of mine.

Is it really such a slap in the face? Are you being tied to a pole and forced to watch thru the entire parade? Are they coming door to door and dragging you out in the street to participate?  If its on the television are you unable to change the channel?

Where do you draw that line? When is it that this parade is not rubbing its "message" in others faces and that one is not?

[addiction21]

Sorry to go on a rant. I will just go get some waffles and stfu now.

[Statulos]

As Addiction points out, I do not see any problem with gay parades. I mean, they are not telling me that I´m worse or not welcomed if I am not...



Like I said, I had fun in Chueca, and people was quite welcoming, even when I looked like a paramilitary weirdo.