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[Loerwyn]

@addiction21;

You have a good point, I agree, but your sexuality isn't (or should I say, shouldn't be) an event. In the eyes of a lot of people, it's no bigger a deal than someone's hair colour, their eye shape, the colour of the tiles in their bathroom - or at least if everything was correct, it wouldn't be.

A local sports team victory parade affects not just that team, but their fans and supporters. It's an event to celebrate, well, a victory - And that's something I don't have a problem with.

Thanksgiving is a big thing in America (we don't have it in England for obvious reasons), and whilst I don't know the specifics, it's a big holiday. It, in some way, affects almost everyone in your country.

Whilst I agree that, for the most part, a gay pride doesn't inconvenience anyone, it's a bit of a double-edged blade IMHO. If homosexuals wish to be treated equally, then why are they drawing attention to themselves in this manner and *setting themselves apart*? Like I said, I've nothing against homosexuals, but a gay pride (to me) is not something I support.

[addiction21]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Now why can't people just eat their waffles and leave everybody else's alone?

Because my waffles are better then your waffles!!!

To: Shallow
I know they are poor examples but they are celebrating something many share in common. If the Baltimore Orioles (local professional baseball team) some how won the championship I would not attend but I would also not take offense to a load of douchebags in black and orange screaming their lungs out over a crappy team. Nor would I think they were trying to cram/shove/or slap me across the face with their personal preferance.
I do not know how it works in Britan but  across the pond everyone is allowed to have their moment to shine AS LONG as they follow the rules and laws that govern it (unfortuantly this lets the KKK and other hate groups march). These streets, only on these days, and typically only once a year do you get that time.
Now like someone else said (darth something or another. Jayder I think. Honestly I would actually remember your name if there was no darth in front of it) that there are some thing that go on that I do and have taken offense to.

[Loerwyn]

We're really no different over here. We've got gay prides in towns and I assume they generally have a police presence (as would any other large, public event).

But at the end of the day, you can't disallow one type of march and allow another, so you always come out looking like you have double standards. And, of course. they happen regardless.

All or none, really.

[Statulos]

Darht Jayder wrote...
Again...I pretty much agree.  Homosexuals are discriminated against by people who define them by that and only that really.  I don't know about anyone else but I wouldn't want to be defined by my sexual preference anymore than I would by my skin colour or my enjoyment of beer.  None of these things define me as a person but having a parade to that effect says otherwise and that I accept societies categories.  It defeats the purpose.

You cannot measure sexuality in the same tray you measure your drink preference or your hair colour because, while these previous have little effect in your life, sexuality has a lot to do on how you´re defined as individual and how you approach your relationships with the rest of menkind.

And it´s irrelevant if you´re bi, hetero, ****** or whatever, sexuality is one of the few areas of your life where you´re trully free; that´s why religious morons are so insistant on controling it.

[addiction21]

Also your right that a single aspect of a person does not define a person but unfortuantly society has deemed it that sexuality defines a large part of who you are.

As I am typing this I find it terribly hypocritical that I have compared sexuality to sports preference. I wish I could look at a long time friend who comes out and says "I like the Pittsburg Steelers" the same as if that long time friend "came out the closet" but I know I could not (Pittsburg being a rival we have here around Baltimore and generally despise them. In a good way).

[addiction21]

Statulos wrote...

how you approach your relationships with the rest of menkind.

The womens rights crowd are about to own your testicles.

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

But at the end of the day, you can't disallow one type of march and allow another, so you always come out looking like you have double standards. And, of course. they happen regardless.
All or none, really.

You are right and theres no malice ment in my responses. It is just a subject (the whole gay rights/equality thing) that is close to my heart. At least I score a free trip for a week to a tropical paradise to see my sister get married "legally" this time.

Modifié par addiction21, 08 avril 2010 - 10:19 .

[Muddtoad]

I liked that guys reaction in the video about the stupid school.....that guy was awesome haha. I would have gotten a lot angrier and starting throwing out serious insults! He did it in a lot classier way.



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[Statulos]

addiction21 wrote...

Statulos wrote...

how you approach your relationships with the rest of menkind.

The womens rights crowd are about to own your testicles.

Thanks for reminding me that English is NOT my first language.

If they want to castrate me, better to get me notified in Spanish, thanks.

Modifié par Statulos, 08 avril 2010 - 10:19 .

[Statulos]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Darht Jayder wrote...
Again...I pretty much agree.  Homosexuals are discriminated against by people who define them by that and only that really.  I don't know about anyone else but I wouldn't want to be defined by my sexual preference anymore than I would by my skin colour or my enjoyment of beer.  None of these things define me as a person but having a parade to that effect says otherwise and that I accept societies categories.  It defeats the purpose.

You cannot measure sexuality in the same tray you measure your drink preference or your hair colour because, while these previous have little effect in your life, sexuality has a lot to do on how you´re defined as individual and how you approach your relationships with the rest of menkind.

And it´s irrelevant if you´re bi, hetero, ****** or whatever, sexuality is one of the few areas of your life where you´re trully free; that´s why religious morons are so insistant on controling it.

My enjoyment have beer has huge impact on my life actually.......

You are missing my point.  Yes people are being defined by their sexuality but why?  People are far more complex than that.  And the fact that it seems to be a criteria for defining people is what allows discrimination against certain groups in the first place.  What I mean is....if I was walking down the street and people started defining me by my Hair colour (I'll use your analogy here) and started discriminating me for it, it would eventually affect how I interact with others and I would be buying into that categorization if I went out to throw a Brown Hair Pride Parade.  I am not defined by my hair colour any more than I should be defined by my sexual preference. 

Fine, but that´s not the case of a great amount of people.

[addiction21]

Statulos wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Statulos wrote...

how you approach your relationships with the rest of menkind.

The womens rights crowd are about to own your testicles.

Thanks for reminding me that English is NOT my first language.

If they want to castrate me, better to get me notified in Spanish, thanks.

It has nothing to do with language. Even tho it should be an A in menkind instead of the E

My "joke" was that in my county the whole equal rights and all that has been taking to levels of absurdity that it should of never been allowed to reach.

[Loerwyn]

addiction21 wrote...
You are right and theres no malice ment in my responses. It is just a subject (the whole gay rights/equality thing) that is close to my heart. At least I score a free trip for a week to a tropical paradise to see my sister get married "legally" this time.

I detected none, Addiction, don't worry.
Whilst it's not a subject very, very close to my heart, it's one I have opinions on. I doubt the BWSN is really the best place for it, however.

[Loerwyn]

addiction21 wrote...
It has nothing to do with language. Even tho it should be an A in menkind instead of the E

My "joke" was that in my county the whole equal rights and all that has been taking to levels of absurdity that it should of never been allowed to reach.

Oh, yeah.
It's not a "policeman" or "police woman". It's "police person".
Bloody ridiculous.

[Statulos]

addiction21 wrote...
It has nothing to do with language. Even tho it should be an A in menkind instead of the E

My "joke" was that in my county the whole equal rights and all that has been taking to levels of absurdity that it should of never been allowed to reach.

It doe,s because while English has neutral gender, Spanish does not (masculine is used as neutral) and that´s something I tend to forget and translate straight.

Darht Jayder wrote...
Meaning that you are okay with
categorizing someone based on sexual preference?  I am a little confused
maybe by what you are saying.

Meaning that maybe in your case your sexuality is not a very defining feature of your personality; but in many other cases (me among them) it is.

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...
It
has nothing to do with language. Even tho it should be an A in menkind
instead of the E

My "joke" was that in my county the whole equal
rights and all that has been taking to levels of absurdity that it
should of never been allowed to reach.

Oh, yeah.
It's not a
"policeman" or "police woman". It's "police person".
Bloody
ridiculous.

Cop.

Modifié par Statulos, 08 avril 2010 - 10:46 .

[Wicked 702]

Just to clear a couple things up here:

@ jsachun: Marijuana is not legal in any state in America. None. Zip. No way hose. Many (I think 13? now) have approved its use for medicinal purposes with varying degrees of proper doctoral recommendations. (California being extremely loose while other states make it extremely difficult to get approved for weed treatment.) In NO STATE is it legal to have 25 pounds. Period. California will be the FIRST state to vote on officially legalizing marijuana in November of this year.

@ Statulos: I don't know what Presbyterians you've been exposed to but that was my church growing up and I can tell you they are a complete 180 degrees from evangelicals. Our church is one of the more socially liberal institutions I've been a part of and my family is generally conservative (fiscally anyway). Judging people? Hellfire? That stuff is the farthest from what they are. They pretty much accept everyone and don't look down on anything.



I could provide some perspective on the whole Christian (not southern wackjob Christian mind you, normal average Christian) anti gay marriage issue but I'm concerned it might inflame the discussion so I'll try to keep it minimal and objective. FYI, I voted against Prop 8 in CA because I have no problem with gay marriage personally. (A yes vote was for banning gay marriage for those that don't know...backwards, I know.) I was frankly amazed that it passed. Sucks....

[Statulos]

Aren´t Protestant traditions and its derivates marbellous? The freedom of interpretation of the scriptures leads to quite different intepretations even if the branch is the same depending on comunity.

And for anti-homosexual marriage you can use as much Christian argumentationas you please; I will just say that fiction books are a good argument for nothing.

Modifié par Statulos, 08 avril 2010 - 10:54 .

[Lacurazz1138]

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[addiction21]

Statulos wrote...

addiction21 wrote...
It has nothing to do with language. Even tho it should be an A in menkind instead of the E

My "joke" was that in my county the whole equal rights and all that has been taking to levels of absurdity that it should of never been allowed to reach.

It doe,s because while English has neutral gender, Spanish does not (masculine is used as neutral) and that´s something I tend to forget and translate straight.

Insert foot into mouth.  Your right in that aspect that enlgish is rather gender neutral as to others that have different pronunciation depending on masculine or feminine. Then again go and try and expline that to the exttreme femininists

[Wicked 702]

Statulos wrote...

Aren´t Protestant traditions and its derivates marbellous? The freedom of interpretation of the scriptures leads to quite different intepretations even if the branch is the same depending on comunity.

And for anti-homosexual marriage you can use as much Christian argumentationas you please; I will just say that fiction books are a good argument for nothing.

I suppose so though there are as many flavors of protestantism as there are juices. Each one is actually very different from the others. But I imagine the differences are regional as well.

As to the anti gay marriage issue, it's not about WHAT the bible says to your average Christian. Only the extremists actually think that the bible says it's wrong. Since you bring it up, I might as well explain it...

To quote the great Shakespeare, "A Rose by any other name would smell as sweet." That's the argument actually. See, regular everyday Christian see the fundamental definition of marriage (the word itself) as, "A covenant between a man and a woman in the eyes of God." Exactly as I've worded it. However, in the modern age the word "marriage" is now an institution of the state (government). Government defines marriage as, "A legal contract & financial partnership (that's essentially what it really boils down to) between 2 adults." I think one of you stated as much earlier in the thread.

Christians feel that marriage is a religious institution, not a secular one. It's all a matter of who owns the word "marriage". You probably think this is just stupid semantics....and it sort of is in a way. But imagine someone wanted to call that poop you take when you get home from work a "Bioware". "Dude, I just took a huge Bioware." Depending on who you are and what you feel about Bioware (sorry Bioware really, you just happened to come to mind at the moment), you might have a problem with this designation. Well, that's how the Christians feel about marriage. It's not a secular word to them, it has a religious connotation. Right or wrong, that's how they feel.

[Loerwyn]

Statulos wrote...

addiction21 wrote...
It has nothing to do with language. Even tho it should be an A in menkind instead of the E

My "joke" was that in my county the whole equal rights and all that has been taking to levels of absurdity that it should of never been allowed to reach.

It doe,s because while English has neutral gender, Spanish does not (masculine is used as neutral) and that´s something I tend to forget and translate straight.

It's "A" not "E" because "men" is plural  It's not a gender thing, as such, just that the singular is used instead of the plural. I'm not sure why, however.

[Statulos]

Wicked 702 wrote...
Christians feel that marriage is a religious institution, not a secular one. It's all a matter of who owns the word "marriage". You probably think this is just stupid semantics....and it sort of is in a way. But imagine someone wanted to call that poop you take when you get home from work a "Bioware". "Dude, I just took a huge Bioware." Depending on who you are and what you feel about Bioware (sorry Bioware really, you just happened to come to mind at the moment), you might have a problem with this designation. Well, that's how the Christians feel about marriage. It's not a secular word to them, it has a religious connotation. Right or wrong, that's how they feel.

Marriage comes from the Latin "maritatre" and even etimologicaly, it means the legal union of a man and a woman to procreate. The non-procreational part is called "connubium".

I do understand that to call "marriage" to a unions between people of the same sex is not nice to them but that is basicaly irrelevant; since the law is not made for Christians (or for whatever confession you prefeer); law and rights are given to citizens irreegardless of their orientation. If they don´t like it; fine, but think for a second how unfair would it be to deny Christians the right to vote because... they are Christians.