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[Morinth]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Kasumi Goto wrote...

I just happen to love dark eyes and dark hair. Doesn't mean I'll give in to temptation.

But no one can resist the PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE

I've "met" Jacob. Too weak with biotics.

And I thought Shepard died quickly...

[DarthCaine]

Tooneyman wrote...

Though I though Miranda and Jacob had a thing going on. To bad you really didn't know about it in the game. I think it would have been cool to have shepard get noisy.

Wrong. You can ask Jacob about it, and he'll says something like they got really close, but then really got apart and he'll say that Miranda deserves a better man

[Arcadionn]

Morinth wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Kasumi Goto wrote...

I just happen to love dark eyes and dark hair. Doesn't mean I'll give in to temptation.

But no one can resist the PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE

I've "met" Jacob. Too weak with biotics.

And I thought Shepard died quickly...

ROFL , well played.

[Tooneyman]

When people speak of galaxy and jacob not everyone is going to play it so if bioware used that as an excuses to help define jacob that is ignorants on their part!

[Tooneyman]

DarthCaine wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

Though I though Miranda and Jacob had a thing going on. To bad you really didn't know about it in the game. I think it would have been cool to have shepard get noisy.

Wrong. You can ask Jacob about it, and he'll says something like they got really close, but then really got apart and he'll say that Miranda deserves a better man

That is not what I said. I said shepard gets really noisy with details. In that conversation jacob still avoided details. Don't stand up for Bioware when it comes from them not having enough informations to put into a conversation.

[Tooneyman]

Here is what Kasumi is really thinking! hehe

[Wrathra]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

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Heck, even just giving him some sort of hobby would be a start. Take Mordin; oh sure, he was already a totally awesome character, but how much more awesome did he become when it turned out he was into art and singing? And not only that, they were able to actually incorporate it into the plot somewhat (discussion of Collector culture). Or how about the books in Kasumi's room? Sure, something small like that doesn't totally negate the need for general character development, but it makes a character feel more real. So I'd love a conversation like:

SHEPARD; What are you up to?
JACOB: Umm, nothing commander. Just... checking some readings. *shifty eyes*
SHEPARD: Jacob? What are you hiding?
JACOB: *sigh* Well, it's a bit embarassing to admit, but... I was watching some zero-g football. I'm a big fan, and I don't get much free time to catch a game, so... was just watching it while things were quiet, you know.
SHEPARD: Who's playing?
JACOB: *grin* The Krogan Battlemasters vs. The Volus Clanbusters. It's a great match.
SHEPARD: I wouldn't imagine volus would be good at football.
JACOB: You'd think that. But those little bastards can put up a good fight when they want to.
(from here, some Investigate conversations about Jacob's favorite team, zero g football, whether Jacob played any himself, etc. before ending the conversation. You get some of the info in your Codex as well).


Obviously you could give him some other hobby (I chose sports because we already have bookish and artistic sorts galore) but I think some scenes like this would be really neat and make him feel like he's a fully realized person instead of NICE GUY, SOLDIER, and PRIIIIIZE.

This I think is my biggest problem with Jacob. I don't dislike him but I absolutely hated my Femshep's squirming sexy crap around him, and even getting past Femshep's behavior, he didn't have much to say.  

He doesn't need to be tormented, and your comparison to Kaidan makes alot of sense. Kaidan was down to earth, a nice guy, but interesting (to me anyway) without being a basket case or needing therapy. 

What you suggest here would go a long way towards making him a much more interesting character (and getting rid of the priiize thing. yeah.)

[Throw_this_away]

tonnactus wrote...

Jacob clearly f* Miranda.Seems to be good enough that she remembered a promise that was made long ago.

I think bioware made that one very open to interpretation.  

[Azint]

Someone needs to show him some affection.

[this isnt my name]

ROD525 wrote...

Just because a bunch of folks on a couple of message boards dont like the one Black squad member does not mean he isn't "liked". Jacobs my right hand man in the game...everyone who says he has nothing to say is full of it. I love all the characters in the game but what really makes everyone else that much better than Jacob? I dont see it, and I've played this game about 12x now. The amount of hatred on these boards for Jacob makes no sense. I've tried to give some folks the benifit of the doubt but Im really starting to wonder about some of these people who play a game rife with aliens and such but hate on the one black squad member. And I dont want to hear any crap about how popular Anderson is, he's not a squadmate. I guess with the majority of gamers being young white males it shouldn't suprise me. I dont mean to offend...Im just saying.

Ok see the bold part, yes, what dose the underlined word have to do with it, his race is irrelivent, I hate Jacob just as Much as I hated Kaiden , only difference is one was reduced to radioactive ash. I dont know why you assume people ahte him because he is balck, people hate him because he is boring and have you tried talking to him as a femshep, he even calls you "the priiize".
Again its not because he is black, I hate aliens too, volus, batrarian, vorchaa and most krogan (so yeah I hate some aliens in the game). People hate him as a person, because he is boring not him for being part of a race.
And I love how you think all young white gamers are racist, yeah totally not offensive, you say people are racist against Jacob then say "I guess with the majority of gamers being young white males it shouldn't suprise me." I find that Ironic/hypocritical, we hate him because he is black, because we are white. Basically what your saying.

Well I would say no one is racist but the pic above is kinda hard to ignore<_<.

[JMA22TB]

Here's something to think about.

Most love interest's unfolding events in Mass Effect are pretty good

Kaidan - sensitive, interesting, introspective guy who cautiously approaches the idea, but not in a way that negates wanting to do so.

Ashley - complex, seemingly renegade in morality but not totally, adds a nice element if you save her and she seems regretful you didn't let her die a hero. She's her own woman. The poetry isn't my thing tho, but i'm sure some ppl like that part of her.

Liara - naive, cute girl whose fascination in you and giving her the first time experience makes it a cute story in ME. Character is developed as she evolves into a hard-driving information dealer, leaving a wide range of possibilities for whatever happens next with her.

Thane - for a reptilian dude with black eyes, that dude has the stoic confidence thing going. Has the vibe a of a guy who'd be carrying on a conversation and then punch someone in the face trying to sneak up on him from behind without having to look where to punch. He's a loner by trade and choice, but not to the point where it's like Jack where he's unhealthy and screwed up. Beats himself up, but not in a way that can be described as weak.

Jack - She's so screwed up you're kinda like umm...yeah at first, but if you give her a chance and let the events develop it's actually a nice story. I still wouldn't pick her out of all the choices though because even if she starts getting better, she's been that way her whole life. Don't see a good future there, but who really knows?

Miranda - ah, the super clone. Everyone's pick because of the pooper shot right? Turns out she's the only female love interest that starts off completely ice cold to you, which is by far the most realistic female reaction to someone she just started a professional relationship with. Liara gets goo goo eyes, Tali doesn't announce interest until later and overflows when she does, Ashley cares about what you think from the beginning, and Jack is warmer to you if you gave her the files voluntarily. Miranda keeps her distance at first and only asks for help because she needs it (story context not the game context ). Of course, the loyalty mission's conclusion was gripping and her story brings up an interesting future issue with genetically engineered people and the roles of family. I ended up picking her for my Shepard because it's real; hers is the most realistic romance to me.

Garrus - his character is malleable according to what advice you give him and FemShep actually proposes the idea, which isn't all that cool to me as a guy because if I don't start things with a girl myself I'm usually not interested. Add that to the sheer awkwardness of the romance scene and how down on himself he is, despite his awesomeness with a rifle, and it's not that great a romance to me. Of course, he is a sensitive guy who cares and he deserves some loving, and as indicated by the forum he has huge support, so my opinion isn't the majority here.

Tali - girl in ME that misses her family and friends, emerging woman in ME2 that wants you in her life, but is still in that first time mode Liara was in in ME. The trial mission was gut-wrenching and her reaction was very authentic, given the context. Even though it's a really good moment to catch her when she's down and make it all better, it's still a bit mushy for me. Too melodramatic, although I suppose seeing your father die and being tried for treason would be pretty hard.

Finally, there's Jacob

Denies his worth to you when Miranda does him a favor (in her own way, but it's still a favor). Talks like he's a cheap porn actor, and that makes you wonder about the authenticity of the comments he makes and the questions he asks about you. I call bull**** on his '....I'd walk away" comment because really? You wouldn't really walk away, you'd tell him or her to drop the conversation, just like if you ask him about Miranda. He wants to fight the bad guys, but every time he talks about it he mentions what other people think. 'Maybe we'll be remembered differently...can't count on them to think about it as much as I have?" You know how it goes, the real work isn't publicized.....

Umm who cares? You need an extranet ad to feel recognized? How about a thank you card from the Council with an airquote about the batarian scheme? I look at him as a guy who wants to be a hero but not enough to put himself out there or stick to his guns, all while being too wrapped up in his own issues to care about other people genuinely (see: Miranda). To his credit though, he did handle almost everything right when he confronted his father. That was a stand up moment for him, and he did well in that respect.

My point is that no 'romance' is perfect and even though the options are mostly decent or good with emotional moments, it wouldn't make sense for every story to be rainbows and fuzzy bunnies. Jacob is 'that guy' and there is always 'that guy'.

To be fair though, if I were on the team, I would have a new love interest for male Shepard that is hot, everyone goes goo goo eyes for her, but ends up being a drama queen or stabbing you in the back in some way. That kind of character would be a great counterbalance to Jacob being 'that guy'. If that doesn't happen, one of the current female LI's, in my vision of fairness, would go sour, like Tali ending up turning against you if you push for peace or side with the geth, or Ashley/Kaidan having to hunt you down if the Council disavows you for working with Cerburus, or Liara going off the deep end and leaving you hanging if you want to get back with her, in her obsession to kill the Shadow Broker.

Just some thoughts

Modifié par JMA22TB, 09 avril 2010 - 06:30 .

[Tamyn]

Azint wrote...

Someone needs to show him some affection.

I'm really sick of that comic. Not only is it implying that the only reason someone wouldn't romance Jacob is because they are racist, but it's insulting to fans of Garrus and Thane.

Modifié par Tamyn, 09 avril 2010 - 06:55 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

I think OP hit the nail on the head. General consensus would be that he is the least favorite LI.

[Azint]

Tamyn wrote...

Azint wrote...

Someone needs to show him some affection.

I'm really sick of that comic. Not only is it implying that the only reason someone wouldn't romance Jacob is because they are racist, but it's insulting to fans of Garrus and Thane.

I've only ever seen it twice, and I highly doubt th artist meant it to be taken seriously.

[Skilled Seeker]

Azint wrote...


Someone needs to show him some affection.

[Sharn01]

Yep, all the people who hate Jacob hate him because he is black.



It has nothing to do with the forced flirting or the cheezy porno romance at all. Everyone is completely fine with the game forcing your character to drool over a terrorist operative that you just met and have no intention of romancing. Nope, that certainly wouldnt upset anyone and cause them to dislike the character.

[StefanBW]

BioWare watches us, we say Kelly is a **** and Kasumi tells us that she thought Kelly even hitted on her. Nobody likes Jacob, so the hot new teammate has a crush on Jacob and doesn't feel a thing for us Shepards.

[Computron2000]

Jacob's a nice guy.



Unfortunately nice guys don't groove with a lot of women who prefer bad boys.



However bad girls appreciate nice guys



Kasumi is a bad girl = win for Jacob



And yes the man's got abs. Male shepard may be as flabby as most people who play him

[Estelindis]

ROD525 wrote...

Like I said Im not trying to start any crap on the boards but as a Black man I find it somewhat unsettling the amount of hate for Jacob. I mean c'mon theres a thread joking about nothing but his lips and teeth...WTF. Then again maybe I just dont need my favorite squadmates to be homicidal killers and such for me to like them. Kaiden was my bro in Mass Effect 1 so what do I know. Im out.

I can understand how it might bother you.    It always annoys me when Irish characters on TV, in films, or in games are so clichéd and stereotyped that no one likes them. 

But any dislike for Jacob really has nothing to do with his skin colour, as far as I can tell.  The character just wasn't well-executed.  So much about him that could have been interesting was left vague.  In his interaction with Shepard he comes across very differently at various times in the game, apparently at random (friendly vs. standoffish, loyal vs. criticising - there's no logic to it).  But, honestly, my main beef is the way Bioware made female Shepard interact with him.  Just too flirty.  In order to stay faithful to Kaidan, my Shep either never talks to him, or I pretend that the conversations play out better than they do in-game (and wait desperately for the drinks-on-Citadel line that shows I've avoided the romance and we can just be friends). 

Of course, there's also that "prize" line in the romance conclusion, but thankfully I've never gotten that far and have only seen its horror via YouTube.  Bioware are normally so good at writing romance.  How could they fall so flat with Jacob?

Modifié par Estelindis, 09 avril 2010 - 11:17 .

[The Angry One]

Oh please, you can pretend we don't like Jacob because he's black, or because he's a "nice guy" all you want.

The real reasons have already been outlined a million times.

[Throw_this_away]

Jacob.  I don't think he is that bad... I actually prefer his story to Grunt.  And remember ME1 Tali?  BOORING.  

I think they expected more people to like Jacob from the iPhone game (I have not played it).  I hope they keep him (The need a "normal guy"... but I bet they will add more to the character in ME3... make you really like/respect himm... and then they will kill him off later in the game in a heroic moment.  

[Skilled Seeker]

stefanbw wrote...

BioWare watches us, we say Kelly is a **** and Kasumi tells us that she thought Kelly even hitted on her. Nobody likes Jacob, so the hot new teammate has a crush on Jacob and doesn't feel a thing for us Shepards.

its true. Bioware does good fanservice

[Throw_this_away]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

stefanbw wrote...

BioWare watches us, we say Kelly is a **** and Kasumi tells us that she thought Kelly even hitted on her. Nobody likes Jacob, so the hot new teammate has a crush on Jacob and doesn't feel a thing for us Shepards.

its true. Bioware does good fanservice

Agreed, when I heard that line about Jacob I immediatly thought that this was Bioware poking fun at us.  

ME2 is full of such moments... "I just want to get laid" when talking to miranda (making fun of the gamer), the bum shots.  Even the side boob shots (Kasumi's quest for example) are a poke at the "lack of alien side boob" complaints. 

I would love to be on the writing team.  They must have so much fun!!!