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[Landozelig]

ElektroDragon wrote...

Landozelig wrote...

Call me old school, but I actually bought this game for THE GAME. Silly me, I should have been looking at how I could have boosted a meaningless arbitrary number instead of playing a great game. What good is another 1000 added to your gamerscore? Does it help you get a job? ... "oh yes mister johnson, I realize that I'm competing with 3 other candidates for the job, so I'd just like to mention my gamerscore in hopes of securing the job ... it's over 100K you know"

I long for the old days where anyone who had a computer knew how to use a computer, and we gamed for the fun of it.

Valid points, and very entertaining.  My answer would be that I bought it for the game too, but I'm just addicted to the "meaningless" icing on the cake that achievements/gamerscore offer, being both a console and PC gamer. Yes, I long for those old days too, which is why I did not touch a console until 2005.  I was a PC only gamer from 1988 to 2005.  Before that, I had a Sega Master System and Atari 2600.  After 2005, I owned every single console released.

I am also a PC gamer turned console gamer - driven there by DRM (and sports games). The last PC game I bought before DA:O was Crysis (2 years ago), and before that I can't remember. I used to buy almost every RPG and strategy game for the PC and still have them (All Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment etc) I did buy Spore but after reading about the Sony rootkit I returned it before I opened it. I feel I was forced to console gaming because I refuse to put my personal computer at risk to play a game. The Xbox is easy and fun and doesn't put my PC at risk. DA:O was not type type of game I would have bought for the Xbox, it's just superior on the PC and you're missing out. You should seriously reconsider your stance on gamerscore, it's meaningless and you'll live longer if you don't stress about it

[DeepGray]

ElektroDragon wrote...

loudenkl wrote...

So again, I ask my question... what does GFWL bring to the table that would make DA:O better?

I will admit, the answer is being able to earn achievements that add to my existing large gamerscore.  And yes, I realize its a vanity thing no one else really care about.  Still, I would think this feature would be something really appreciated by folks like me who already have an Xbox Live account from their 360 gaming.  It really adds a lot if you play 360 and PC equally, or play more 360 than PC.  If you are PC only, I can understand some of the vitriol, I suppose, but its really not that bad.  You'd be able to add to your same score with other GFWL PC games.  Again, maybe you don't care, but SOME people do.

There are far more people that DO NOT CARE or DO NOT WANT GfWL. Don't come onto the fourms and start evangalizing gamer scores like it's the second coming of Christ when they are neither wanted or needed.

[ElektroDragon]

DeepGray wrote...

Don't come onto the fourms and start evangalizing gamer scores like it's the second coming of Christ when they are neither wanted or needed. 

I don't see why you are trying to quash my freedom to give my opinion on this subject.  I appreciate the healthy debate, and so should you.  Unless you'd prefer to move to China or Iran?

[Sheylan]

Landozelig wrote...

ElektroDragon wrote...

Landozelig wrote...

Call me old school, but I actually bought this game for THE GAME. Silly me, I should have been looking at how I could have boosted a meaningless arbitrary number instead of playing a great game. What good is another 1000 added to your gamerscore? Does it help you get a job? ... "oh yes mister johnson, I realize that I'm competing with 3 other candidates for the job, so I'd just like to mention my gamerscore in hopes of securing the job ... it's over 100K you know"

I long for the old days where anyone who had a computer knew how to use a computer, and we gamed for the fun of it.

Valid points, and very entertaining.  My answer would be that I bought it for the game too, but I'm just addicted to the "meaningless" icing on the cake that achievements/gamerscore offer, being both a console and PC gamer. Yes, I long for those old days too, which is why I did not touch a console until 2005.  I was a PC only gamer from 1988 to 2005.  Before that, I had a Sega Master System and Atari 2600.  After 2005, I owned every single console released.

I am also a PC gamer turned console gamer - driven there by DRM (and sports games). The last PC game I bought before DA:O was Crysis (2 years ago), and before that I can't remember. I used to buy almost every RPG and strategy game for the PC and still have them (All Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment etc) I did buy Spore but after reading about the Sony rootkit I returned it before I opened it. I feel I was forced to console gaming because I refuse to put my personal computer at risk to play a game. The Xbox is easy and fun and doesn't put my PC at risk. DA:O was not type type of game I would have bought for the Xbox, it's just superior on the PC and you're missing out. You should seriously reconsider your stance on gamerscore, it's meaningless and you'll live longer if you don't stress about it

Wait a second... you went TO consoles FROM pc because of DRM... *head explodes*

On that note... Games for Windows Live sucks. Thank god Bioware avoided it.

[Jeedy]

Taking into account my 2 decades of gaming ( currently on all 3 major consoles and PC) heres my Views on this topic.



No self-respecting gamer would like GFW-live on thier PC, its Microsoft trying to muscle in on the PC gaming scene using their console tested money grabbing template.

DLC you pay for is a direct effect of console owners paying for stuff PC users have been getting for free for years, granted console owners have less options than PC users but that does not make this fact any less true.

Another problem with GFW-Live is that its FORCED on people, i can't think of any games using GFW-Live that allow it as an optional installation component, you either install it or you cant play your game.



All that writing and i've not even scratched the surface of whats wrong with GFW-Live, just compare the amount of titles released that force you to use it with those that dont, i think you'll see that, even though Microsoft have been trying to push their "gaming service" on PC users for the past few years few games actually bother to use it, that alone should tell you how well it's gone down and how unwelcome it really is.



So to round off, in my opinion GFW-Live should be left where it originated, on the consoles, it offers virtually nothing new to the PC gaming scene and what little it does offer can be found elsewhere ( usually being done a damn sight better).

[Icky Sticky]

I guess I will never understand it. I just don't need some sort of artificial 'pat on the back, hey 'atta boy!' for doing something like playing a game. I never needed some sort of positive reinforcement for amusing myself. I thought that was the reward, to be amused. Or is it some kind of dystopian politically correct idea. Kind of like, everyone can be a winner! Everyone can earn a trophy! Or could it be a good old-fashoned case of OCD. Great, now I'm ranting....

[Nodrak]

Being able to just buy your crappy score with your credit card would solve all your problems.

[Edner132435]

**** achievements, I don't need a little icon and some meaningless points to remind me how fun a game was or what I did in it. GFWL sucks

[grifflyman007]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Games for Windows Live sucks massive balls....


It's just a waste of space.

[DSWDalish]

I remember when i played xbox alot and people be like NOOOB ONLY 10K GS? YOu suck. I was like ok. Does GS get you hard or something? DO you ****** to your 50k score?

[grifflyman007]

You can pay me and ill happily beat the game on nightmare and get you all the achievements.

[addiction21]

meh

Modifié par addiction21, 08 novembre 2009 - 11:14 .

[Seraosha]

ElektroDragon wrote...

I bought Fallout 3 on PC and 360 at full price so I could enjoy it on both and get 2X the gamerscore.

Ahh, Elektro...I was tempted to get DA:O for the 360 solely on the XBL factor, being a console gamer at heart and a mild achievement hunter myself. But I resisted. Here was an rpg that looked every inch the pc game. Although I like gamerscore, I can live without it in lieu of getting a better game experience.

I'm actually pretty glad BioWare went their own way on this. They're building their own community, with it's own achievements, quirks and perks. It's really hard to see how GfW would have made the DA:O experience at all better. Being able to further fill up the gamerscore meter on an XBL profile is hardly a compelling reason for its inclusion :-|

Modifié par Seraosha, 08 novembre 2009 - 11:19 .

[JackDresden]

By contrast to the OP I find games for windows live off putting and am very pleased DA:O avoided it. The OP is a 360 fan which is probably why he likes it.

[Shplane]

I would have bought that dog if it was rabid and obviously wanted to rip my throat out.



I would have bought that bottle of fine wine, except it wasn't full of poison.



I would have bought that house, except it's just so unlikely to burn down while I'm sleeping.

[Malecite00]

OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE YOU JUST POSTED THIS. GFWL is perhaps the most unpolished, nightmarish creation ever forced upon the video gaming populace. COH interface is simple, effective, and great to use, when Relic switched to GFWL in DOW2 I was frustrated beyond belief at how tedious, slow, and shockingly buggy it was. Microsoft even fired the goddamn guy responsible for creating it, that says something despite any claims to the contrary.

Additionally games using GFWL have to go through MICROSOFT CERTIFICATION to get their patches released meaning more testing and additional time before bugfixes and stuff can come out. The result of this is many hotfixes are never released and instead combined into bigger patches that take wayyyy longer to come out.

So the fact that you made that statement really really makes me want to hit you, but this is the internet so I can only hate you from afar.

Modifié par Malecite00, 09 novembre 2009 - 12:31 .

[failsafeignition]

Certification for GFWL supposedly is a big pain, and would only have delayed release even longer. Is that really what you wanted?

[Malecite00]

The Relic devs CONSTANTLY cite GFWL certification as being the primary reason alot of the patches take so ****ing long to come out. You can take your stupid GFWL experience and keep it, until the service becomes something that doesn't resemble a crappy console clone I will never use it.

[KingSarevok]

Begarian wrote...

I think you need to take a step back from being an achievement ****. You chose a version of DA:O that is, on the most part, inferior, so you can accumulate points for no other reason but to just accumulate them?

Outside from you, I have not seen a single complaint about DA:O not being GFW-Live. Mainly because that service suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks for PC. Live belongs on only one thing and that's the 360.

Word, I completely agree with you, Begarian!

[dragoaskani]

Isukie wrote...

Who in their right state of mind actually gives a crap about Gamerscore?

Mouth breathers living in their mother's basement of course.

[GhoXen]

Heh, this is a first. I never thought there is people who actually want to have GFWL and not forced into having it.

[Vaeliorin]

Personally, if DA had GFWL, I would have had to think about not buying it, and I've been following the game religiously for 3+ years.



GFWL, Steam, any of that garbage. I don't want it on my computer.

[Malecite00]

I hope this thread stays alive so the sheer number of PC people that despise GFWL get to post their opinion on how substandard and useless it really is. In comparison to the seamless integration of steams friends list services, well there really is no comparison actually. Its like the batmobile vs archeys jalope.

[Joriarty]

ElektroDragon wrote...

Bioware, I really don't understand your obstinance at making your games Games for Windows - Live compatible. If you had, I would have purchased the PC collector's edition instead of the 360 one.  In fact, I would have purchased BOTH versions. Now, I'll just be sticking to the 360, even though I have a high end PC, and was originally a PC-only gamer.  Nowadays, I happen to like padding my gamerscore, thank you very much.  I appreciate PC games that let me contribute to my universal gamerscore/achievements.  Don't tell me you have your own PC achievements system, that's just silly.

Why should I give support to your PC games when PC games like Fallout 3, Red Faction, etc are all Games for Windows - Live compatible? I bought Fallout 3 on PC and 360 at full price so I could enjoy it on both and get 2X the gamerscore.  You really have to get over yourselves at being anti-Microsoft.  It's worth the investment to make your games GFW - Live compatible, as you will increase sales!  Unless you think I am the only one with my opinion.  Unless I have no other option to play the game, I will ONLY buy PC games that are GFW - Live compatible. 

I asked you on the BioWare forums over a year ago to make this a Games for Windows - Live title, but I guess you don't listen to your customers.  You also tend to delete viewpoints your don't agree with.  Hopefully you will prove me wrong this time.

Go and inflate your epenis in front of people who care.

[Moleculor]

Trelow-LMG wrote...

Fire or acid?

I say we kill it with fire.

Do not wish GFWL Live on any decent game ever. GFWL, when it ISN'T buggy (see Red Faction: Guerrilla for a buggy example of GFWL, where the dashboard is washed out like it has high gamma, won't auto-login, etc, and see the launch of Batman: Arkham Asylum for an example of how patches can break the game if you decide to use GFWL) is still a system that prevents me from PLAYING THE GAME when my internet connection isn't on.

GFWL is stupid, terrible, badly designed, and most sane gamers hate it.