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[CptPatch]

Thumbnail sketch of winners:

Of 412 auctions:

I missed the winner of the Mass Effect T-shirt Pack     11885    Apr 08, 2010 @ 23:30:00     Apr 08, 2010 @ 23:45:00
Anybody know who that was?

Winners that do NOT have a Profile (how could they even place bids with no Profile?): 14

Winners with Private Profiles (no info available): 8

winners with 2 wins: 1 (Ecliptic Deimos)

Largest winning bid: 16820 (Draugr)

Smallest winning bid: 8620 (OmegaKappa)

Most tokens spent on wins: 18571 (Ecliptic Deimos; see above for his story)

Winners with no registered games: 38
winners with 1 registered game:  78
winners with 2 registered games: 83
winners with 4 registered games: 150
Winners with 4 registered games: 25
winners with 5 registered games: 11
winner with most registered games 7: desurge, who has all three platforms for both DA games, but just one platform for ME2

winners that registered on or after 3/29/2010: 27 (20 of those have no games registered.)

@ED: I actually never thought that you had actually cheated; figured you just had a really good network working for you.  To be honest, I couldn't understand why someone with 18K+ of tokens would spend them on the two items you are listed as winning.  That many tokens would _definitely_ be enough to to have your choice of prizes.  I was actually hoping you would speak up and explain what _really_ happened.  THANK YOU!  (But you still get the notation as the biggest spender!  )

Given that it was a BW screw up, I wonder how they will address the fact that they awarded a prize to someone causing a negative token account.

[Ecliptic Deimos]

I did put in my info for that and sent it in the email but I hope they give it to the guy who was second as he was the real auction winner and not me.

I just want mah Lit pack.

[The Danielnator]

Ecliptic Deimos wrote...

First off, CptPatch, I didn't cheat or make separate accounts to boost Tokens. I posted my referral in the referral threads on here and in my signature on the Xbox.com forums and registered my ME2 and DA:O and did the character creator along with the DAO:A questionnaire, I didn't bother with the twitter challenges.

What happened was I bid all my tokens (9321 at the time) on the Lit. pack and won, not knowing I had won (I hadn't gotten the message yet and my token count was still at 9321) I immediately bid 9250 on the next
auction and to my surprise, won that.

The system hadn't updated my token count or something when I bid on the second item and let the
bid go through, but when it did, it put me negative 9220 tokens.

If I actually had 18,571 I would have a custom ME/DA:O computer coming to me and not a BW Lit. Pack.

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Pictures that show me going negative.

The first auction I won (BW LIT Pack)was a legitimate win by me.

The second (ME novels) was due to the site not updating my tokens quickly enough.
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Oh I loled. The Bazaar definitely wasn't broken. No sir.

[Mr Finn]

Ryouga wrote...

Clearing small misconception:

Without registering your three games, you can still gain the equivalent worth of points through short questionnaires.

Case in point.  You don't even has been have been or continue to be a fan/gamer of Bioware games.
As long as your on Twitter and Facebook then you'd have a chance at winning.  If your a loyal Bioware gamer who isn't on Twitter or facebook because you have a life and don't spend all your time in your basement fiddling with yourself over pics of Olivia Munn and eating hot pockets while playing WOW, then  you can kiss the auction goodbye.
Unfortuntely people will finds ways to cheat.  There probably are some honest Bioware gamers who won prizes but it seems (according to Cpt Patch) that isn't the case.

[Ryngard]

Yeah I agree. It was a poor design.



You should SPEND the tokens. Each token you spend is worth 1 chance in a random roll to see if you win. So you plunk down 10000 tokens, they are spent and you have 10000 chances to win.



I had 6000 tokens and never could get the chance to bid, let alone win.



I didn't feel it right to fool people into profile clicking or hooking up with people on other sites to beg them to click. It isn't the spirit of the thing.



To be honest, even if I did I'd have capped out at what, 8000 points? I think the lowest win I saw was 9500 points.



Bazaar sucked.



LOVED the custom computers though.

[Murkman4683]

CptPatch:
I own the Collectors Edition of Mass Effect 2 on the PC, Dragon Age Origins and Awakening on the PC ,and I also have a Collectors Edition copy of Dragon Age Origins for the PS3.  If you want to go way back, I also have KOTOR 1&2 (even though Obisidian did the second one) and Jade Empire.


I still haven't devoted to much time to Dragon Age because I am hooked on Mass Effect 2 (third play through).
And yes my 13919 tokens did pay off in $450 in merchandise, the headset alone is worth $300.  I also own all the books too, so I am not just some random person participating for the free merchandise, I consider myself a true Bioware fan. 

Modifié par Murkman4683, 11 avril 2010 - 03:48 .

[CptPatch]

For my (lengthy) critique of the Bazaar, you can read up on it at HookedGamers.com:
http://www.hookedgam...com/blogs/capta
... azaar.html

I would like to clarify that although there was most likely _some_ hanky-panky going on, at least 85% of the winners have at least one game registered.  However, most assuredly, EVERY winner had garnered a LOT of tokens via referral clicks.  About the only one that did not have to have quite as much of it as everyone else was desurge, with _7_ games registered.  (That made his starting base total to be a whopping 11,850)

[WolfMark1374]

well just to point out, some person posting another message ripping anyone that was complaining about the rules. and he flat out said. he went to anonymous websites to use there webproxies to click his own link and build up his referal points. so some on thats ridiculous. im from florida so i couldnt win, which i didnt know because i honestly didnt read over all of the rules. but i have determined that this was never really something to celebrate bioware being around for 15 years and to thank its fans. it was all about using people to promote them. it was free advertising. and that is what pisses me off. ifyour going to do something to show your appreciation for the fans that have made your company prosper. then do it and dont use them.

[Murkman4683]

CptPatch:



You are wrong on one thing. Even though "desruge" may have 7 games registered you, you only get points for one registration. Meaning if owns a Xbox version and PC version of Mass Effect, he only gets points for one copy. It clearly states that in the rules. I own the PC and PS3 version of Dragon Age, I only got points for registering the PC copy. When I tried to register the PS3 copy, it tells you that you have already registered this game and that I will not be given points.

[Murkman4683]

The most points anyone could have from games and uploading a character was like 5950 points.

[Murkman4683]

I posted my link at these locations for 10 days straight: Kotaku, IO9, Gizmodo, Gawker, Destructoid, Gaia Online, Digg, Disney Vacation Forums, Naruto Forums, Facebook, Facebook groups, Twitter, L5R Forums, ESPN, World of Warcraft Forums, and many others. I posted all the time in the general and off-topic forums. I didn't disguise my link; only on Twitter I would use "tinyurl". I would contribute to every post and would often politely ask if they would help me out and click my link. I would explain what I was doing and was I was trying to win. I quit trying to get points over Easter weekend, so I missed out on 1000 tokens from link clicks and I still ended up with 13919. On Facebook, I would update my status with my link and a story about what I was doing every 3-4 hours. I asked all my friends to spread the link throughout Facebook to their friends and I did this every day. Many of my co-workers posted my link with what I was doing and what the auction was. I joined Castle Age, Mafia Wars, and Farmville, invited up 3000 people to be my friends, so that they would get my update with the link on their home page.

[Murkman4683]

I don't think you clearly read through all the rules, it clearly stated that you would not get points for owning multiple copies of the same game.

[emlit]

Callasan wrote...

BellosTheMighty wrote...

I think you're making much too much of this. The Rules say you can go home with 2 prizes max, meaning that you can either split it up and try to take 2 prizes, or go all-in on one and get it (hopefully). With 412 prizes vs. thousands of participants, I think pretty much everyone realized very soon that there will always be someone willing to bid them all. In other words, your tokens will ultimately get you one prize, and only one. So, why not spend them all to ensure you get the prize you want?

You missed the point entirely.

People who do not actively push on Facebook/in this forum/Twitter/do the Challenges in effect have absolutely no chance of winning anything at all, or of even participating i this auction.

I know of one person (a Webcomic artist) who advertised for Facebook contacts on her site, and as a direct result was able to walk away with one of the t-shirt/video card combo packs, and was talking about it on her site afterward.  A person like myself with no Web site, no wish to attention-**** has absolutely NO chance of even participating in the auction at all - 4200 tokens (the base for registering all games, uploading a char, etc can't even ante in this place.

That's more than a  little unfair - rewarding the attention ****s and letting the rest of the playerbase hang.

Agree 100%; I was in the same boat.



EDIT: And what is this Facebook everyone keeps talking about?

Modifié par emlit, 11 avril 2010 - 09:22 .

[Murkman4683]

It was a marketing ploy and I knew that from the beginning. What did you expect, it was pretty obvious that Bioware was using thier player base to pimp out their games through our links. It wasn't some big huge secret, we were turned into advertising ****s, some better than others.

I don't beleive the Bazaar was broken and this may sound harsh, but you didn't try hard enough. You are competing with extreme nerds willing to do anything to get free gear.  You could have started a facebook account, a free blog through Google, or post a story on Digg.  What's done is done, complaining will accomplish nothing.   

Modifié par Murkman4683, 11 avril 2010 - 09:16 .

[Murkman4683]

It was not unfair, this was a competition, this isn't little league baseball where everyone gets a trophy for participating.

Modifié par Murkman4683, 11 avril 2010 - 09:22 .

[CptPatch]

Murkman4683 wrote...

CptPatch:

You are wrong on one thing. Even though "desruge" may have 7 games registered you, you only get points for one registration. Meaning if owns a Xbox version and PC version of Mass Effect, he only gets points for one copy. It clearly states that in the rules. I own the PC and PS3 version of Dragon Age, I only got points for registering the PC copy. When I tried to register the PS3 copy, it tells you that you have already registered this game and that I will not be given points.

THANK YOU for clarifying that.  I couldn't doublecheck the rules after the auctions ended because they were no longer there.  BW took down pretty much everything within minutes of the end of the auction.

So, the optimal number of base tokens before Twitter and referral clicks was 5950.

Thanks again for providing the correct info.

[CptPatch]

Murkman4683 wrote...

It was a marketing ploy and I knew that from the beginning. What did you expect, it was pretty obvious that Bioware was using thier player base to pimp out their games through our links. It wasn't some big huge secret, we were turned into advertising ****s, some better than others.

I don't beleive the Bazaar was broken and this may sound harsh, but you didn't try hard enough. You are competing with extreme nerds willing to do anything to get free gear.  You could have started a facebook account, a free blog through Google, or post a story on Digg.  What's done is done, complaining will accomplish nothing.   

How did you discern that "Bioware was using their player base to pimp out their games through our
links"?  It certainly wasn't from anything that BioWare said.  What BW _did_ say was, "To show our appreciation of fan support..."

A tad bit disingenuous, wouldn't you say?  To proclaim, "We're doing all this for YOU!", when in fact it was actually and primarily for their own benefit.  Like an HMO making a "donation" to a hospital where it plans to gouge the hell out of the patients, it's actually downright hypocritical.  And _that_ is what quite a few people were complaining about all along.  It is also why quite a few people refused to participate at all.  But it's also quite obvious that MANY others didn't care one whit about BW's obfuscation.  All they cared about was, "All I have to do to win FREE stuff is...." whatever it takes.  EVERY single winner was able to win because they hustled referral clicks, either legitimately, and/or by out and out cheating. 

Like any discussion about what is "proper" behavior, in the end, it all boils down to definitions.  Pretty much varies according to what _your_ definition is.  Was hustling referral clicks a "proper" thing to do?  The answer pretty much lies in whether you were a hustler, or someone that refused to hustle.  Naturally, whichever side of the fence you're on, you most likely view those on the other side as being "wrong".

And the arguments ensue because nearly everyone hates to think of themselves as being in the wrong.

[CptPatch]

Looking for member feedback. Please cast a vote in the "Reaction to the recent Bazaar event" poll under the "Polls" tab. And encourage others to do likewise, so we can get a better feel of how the community as a whole feels about how it went down.

[Murkman4683]

I never said you are "wrong" in not wanting to hustle your link, but you are casting judgment on those who won and pimped their link out. I don't understand what you are trying to prove. Your attempts to appeal to the masses, looks more like a personal crusade against the winners. There was quite a few people who posted on these boards who said they were caught cheating and had all their tokens taken away. One guy said he dropped from 16000 tokens to 1000 because they found that he was cheating.



I didn't cheat, I worked hard to get my tokens, just like a street hooker does.

[CptPatch]

Murkman4683 wrote...
I didn't cheat, I worked hard to get my tokens, just like a street hooker does.

I'll readily grant that you didn't cheat.  (Can't say for absolute certain, as there is no way for me to _know_.)  I'm sure that you followed the Rules meticulously.  But how objectionable the Rules were is another matter.

You really should drop into "BioWare's bizarre Bazaar".  There's about a half-dozen prizewinners pounding the snot out of me for my abrasive article and comments.  I'm sure they'll enjoy adding you to their team.

And if you haven't done the poll yet, go vote!  With 195 votes cast, it shows @40% favorable to some extent and @60% unfavorable to some extent.  Let your voice be heard!

http://social.biowar...964/polls/4620/

[Murkman4683]

Oh, I'm not looking to team up on you. I do notice that you tend to avoid certain issues that I addressed such as this being s personal crusade of yours. I just don't like the way you approached the whole subject. You came out claiming 10,000+ point winners were cheaters. You are looking for a fight and attention. You are posting your link to your poll asking for people to smash you. You post your link looking for attention, I posted mine looking for clicks. What you are doing is the exact same thing the legit winners did.

You are no different then the winners. I refuse to post in another topic that you have ninjad. This is all an act for attention and I give my congrats for properly trolling the Bioware forums.

EDIT:  I am a sucker for a forum disagreement, I shall post.

Modifié par Murkman4683, 13 avril 2010 - 03:37 .