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[ShadyKat]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Watch the hurt locker. Fantastic movie but not sci fi.

Meh, was just as overrated as Avatar.

[ccconda]

" the biggest flaws of ME2 can not be seen on a quick glimpse"

Exactly. A mod just closed a thread because he said "buy the third game based on the quick glipses you get, and see if you wanna buy it or not. do your homework" which is bull. ME2 is good on the surface - you won't realize the flaws during a rental period, or in a review, or whatever. You'll notice the flaws once youre halfway through the game or your second playthrough.



Bioware refuses to address these flaws - they simply send out the message "as long as the surface shines, people will buy it. if it turns out to be a shallow game, you still bought it so we don't care"

[casedawgz]

As far as I'm concerned, Up In The Air should have won best picture. Just a moving film.

[Master Smurf]

Great comments Vena_86 - The sad thing about ME, because of the great reviews and sales we will more than likely see more of the same in the finale.



@ minmsjohn - I too liked both movies and plan to purchase them. I dont have a problem with the directing (but maybe that is because I agree in those cases) but I take your point - what you suggest prompts more discussion and enhances re-watching.

Just watched Clash of the Titans - makes Avatar look like Shakespeare lol - so there maybe little hope for us.

[LyletheBloody]

I'll be honest; I'm not a high-brow guy. I go to the movies and play video games to be entertained; not enlightened, not to become a better person, not to become smarter, not to gain perspective. Maybe I should, but I don't. I watch and play to be entertained. No movie or game has ever entertained me more than Avatar and Mass Effect 2.

[Chuvvy]

I didn't watch avatar nor do I plan to.

[LyletheBloody]

slimgrin wrote...



Not trying to sound condescending here, but it irritates me when people dont challenge themselves. If your just happy with cliche-ridden art forms, something is missing. 

You're not making much of an effort.

As far as challenge; learning calculus is a challenge.  Running a mile is a challenge.  Depending on what job a person has, that may provide a challenge.

Sitting down to watch a movie or play a video game; not a challenge.

[Agamemnon2589]

No to both. They were fantastic. Now I'm never coming back to this page, because I don't care about what the naysayers have to say.

[LyletheBloody]

But I still think a good video game or movie makes you use your head( perhaps not like calculus)

I won't disagree with that.

Modifié par LyletheBloody, 10 avril 2010 - 03:23 .

[Valikdu]

Synchrite wrote...

Yup... Avatar is pretty much anti military and then stretches itself into even being anti human. I like being human!

YOU HUMANS ARE ALL RACIST!!!1

[LyletheBloody]

Edit:  Post deleted.

Modifié par LyletheBloody, 10 avril 2010 - 03:25 .

[LyletheBloody]

Honestly, the semicolon is guesswork for me. I'm not an English major. : )

[TheSeventhJedi]

slimgrin wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

I'll be honest; I'm not a high-brow guy. I go to the movies and play video games to be entertained; not enlightened, not to become a better person, not to become smarter, not to gain perspective. Maybe I should, but I don't. I watch and play to be entertained. No movie or game has ever entertained me more than Avatar and Mass Effect 2.

Ouch. I cringe at that last sentence.

Personally I like a mix of high and low brow, especially in the same piece of art( movie, game, whatever) I feel Its important for a person to expand their interests, which involves a little forcefeeding once in a while. Or perhaps challenging oneself. Maybe even thinking. Neither ME2 or Avatar make you think too much. Are they good? Of course. I'm just glad for other movies and games that aren't quite as superficial.

Not trying to sound condescending here, but it irritates me when people dont challenge themselves. If your just happy with cliche-ridden art forms, something is missing. 

Or, heaven forbid, he gets his intellectual challenge from, ... art?  If I want to think and discuss theme and symbolism and such, I'm going to read a book.  If I want to sit and be entertained, well, that's what movies and games are for.  I'm not saying it's not possible to have those deep discussions about movies - I wrote a critical theory paper on Star Wars once - I'm just saying that it's not my main purpose.  No one who saw date night this weekend was hoping for deep symbolism, or even anything different than your average romantic comedy.  In fact, without having seen it, I can tell you that things start out great, they get bad enough that the couple isn't on speaking terms, and then one member of the couple will do something outlandish to prove that they're really in love, and everyone will be happy again.  It is that way in every single romantic comedy ever made in the history of ever.  Does that mean I won't go see and enjoy it?  No.  Because my primary purpose is to be entertained.  The same holds true with Avatar.  Dude - it's a gorgeous movie with flying lizards fighting helicopters, and you're looking for deep storytelling?  Why can't it just be an entertaining story, where some big guys help out the little guys?  (Ironic in this instance.)  Yes, it was predictable, but you know what?  So are tons of other movies that people hold up as great.  If James Cameron had spent those years touting it as the kind of story you want it to be, I could perhaps understand your venom.  He didn't though, he said he wanted to create this amazing world, and you can't deny that that is exactly what he did.

This brings me to my next point.  Cameron gave an interview for Entertainment Weekly in December, just before the movie came out.  They talked about best picture, and wondered whether he would get it.  I think that even then he didn't think it would happen, but he compared the best picture category to Star Wars.  In 77, Star Wars lost the best picture award to Annie Hall.  Sure, people will argue that Annie Hall had a more in depth story or better fleshed out characters, and lord knows the acting in Star Wars was atrocious.  However, 30 years later, which movie are people still talking about?  Which movie shaped our culture?  Popularity and mass market appeal =/= bad.  This movie obviously entertained millions, and it's going to be talked about for years.  The week after the Oscars were over, people all told me to go watch the Hurt Locker.  It's so good!  They said.  A week after that, they were done talking about it.  A movie can be absolutely great, but if it doesn't impact the people who watch it, in my opinion, it's not good.  My personal example - Gladiator.  Best Picture, loved that movie up and down, it's always been a part of my collection.  A couple years later, Beautiful Mind won best picture, I also thoroughly enjoyed it, but I only ever watched it once, because that was enough.  It was completely forgettable.  Last year, for me (and I think a few million others,) the movie with that impact was Avatar.  You didn't like it, fine, but don't preach.

[TheSeventhJedi]

"Ouch. I cringe at that last sentence. " - That's what I felt was venomous, perhaps just a little snarky? My point is that I don't believe that originality and unpredictability are necessary to the point that you do. There were some original elements in avatar, and there were unoriginal ones. The same can be said for anything. I just don't get why the predictability ruins your enjoyment of the movie. I took my daughter to see How to Train Your Dragon last weekend, and even though I predicted the entire movie in the first five minutes, I still enjoyed it immensely. What's more, once you've watched a movie, predictability goes out the window because you already know what's going to happen! I choose to look at Avatar as a good retelling of classic themes. I liked Dances With Wolves, and when I was a kid, I liked Ferngully too. Is a third iteration too many?



As for ME2, I liked it. I'm on my seventh playthrough. Sure it falls short in areas, but of course, everything does. Hell, I fall short as a person in some areas, I hope people continue to like me. There are areas in ME2 (quite a few in my opinion,) that do not fall short, and that's why I like the game. Just sayin'.

[TheSeventhJedi]

slimgrin wrote...

Very well, I'll manage the snark. But not my lofty ideals. I feel too strongly that much of our entertainment these days is watered down.

And for the record, I see video games as an art form, so I can't be all that hoity toity.

Ah, see, here is where you and I diverge.  Of course everything is watered down - my soda at Taco Bell, far too much so.  It's all about your purpose in engaging in some form of entertainment.  I went to Avatar to explore this awesome new world, and I was not disappointed.  I read Christopher Moore to laugh.  I play Mass Effect to save the galaxy.  Are there movies and books and games that I have access to if I want something deeper?  Well, books and movies maybe - I haven't yet been moved by a game - but the point is, they're there.  I hate to use the metaphor, but look at it like dating.  Sometimes you wanna go out with the fun crazy girl.  You might not marry her, because as you put it, she doesn't have a soul (which seems so much more mean when applied to a person,) but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy her for a little while. 

[TheSeventhJedi]

slimgrin wrote...

If any women are reading, I have a feeling you're going to get in trouble with that metaphor.

And you are right. We essentially disagree on one thing: I am greedy, and would have my fun-girl with a brain too.

I see your point though.

Eh, I'm already married, so it's no big deal.  Although, to that point - my wife isn't very social, but like I said, I married her for her brains.  I'm so intellectually satisfied with her that I don't really need to socialize as much as I did when I was dating.

[ccconda]

Lol how is that offensive to women? It applies to men too. Get heads of of arses in this thread! Since when did 'women' become a minority that has to be protected in social speech?

[casedawgz]

Yeah, I'm not sure how that's offensive.