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[ElfKeeper]

Now this may have already been discussed but as I've only been on the forum for a little while I may have missed it.  But I'm on my second time through and dear sweet Alistair is beginning to get to me.   Lets face it even hardened you wouldn't want to make him king as he's so wishy washy and you can talk him into anything!  Lets have sex with 20 people and a few animals Alistair...."What everyou want my love you know best!".  I think in real life I would have killed him by now...ok in real life I wouldn't never have married him.  If I play it through again I'm playing a male just so I can have him killed off in the end!
Love DA but for the next one can we have a love interest with a back bone...some good arguments between them would be nice!   You know like in real life!
So would anyone really want to marry him or is he just a nice romantic dream for a little while any ways?

[Sons of Horus]

The only good quality Alistair has is hes not a complete fool like his half-brother, I just set him up with Anora, hopefully we will see if it works out. Not a perfect situation, but then what is?

[DragonShepard138]

Since I'm into women then no for Alistair but for a woman, I'm sure they'd want a guy that is in touch with his more softer friendly side. I cant speak for what women like, but a lot of women like me since I'm nice to them.

Modifié par DragonShepard138, 09 avril 2010 - 03:26 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I married someone very similar in temperment. So yes, in real life, I have and would marry an Alistair. And I know several other females who are in similar situations.



No backbone? Suit yourself. I'm guessing you think being a jerk is a "backbone". You can get into arguements with Alistair. He's just not an **** about it.

[auntyfreak]

I've only started to play, but my initial reaction to Alistair is that he would make a funny drinking buddy but I wouldn't want "do" him. He is a little to emo for my tastes...

[Cenwyn]

Actually I am married to someone that is similiar to Alistair in real life. My husband has his funny bantering humor, has his very loving, "devoted to you" and caring personality, and is a tank fighter in real life like me. And the passion between us, well I will leave that to one's imagination as mind blowing. Thankfully my husband has more of a backbone than Alistair and he would actually fight to the death to keep me rather than let me go just because of the whole duty and honor thing. Granted my husband has his faults just as Alistair does and just as we all do.

But if my husband and I should ever be parted by death only then yes, with a few minor adjustments to mold the man, I would certainly marry someone like Alistair again. I would only want someone who is my equal both on and off the battlefield in all ways.

[Carol L S]

Nope..I'd have to be telling him what to do all the time! 

[ElfKeeper]

I don't think having a backbone is being a jerk but certainly having some opinion is a good thing. I didn't make him king first time through as I couldn't rule with him as I was an elf and I just felt he wouldn't be a good king. This time I'm a noble so I can rule with him.

Still this wasn't meant to be an attack on anyone or for people take it personal just my observations and me getting a bit tired of someone looking at me with moony eyes all the time and doing what ever I said, need some good helpful opinions please. If you can't make a post with out people getting silly about them what's the point of a forum. You don't have to agree, that's a good thing, but you don't have to be rude about it.

[Cenwyn]

ElfKeeper wrote...

I don't think having a backbone is being a jerk but certainly having some opinion is a good thing. I didn't make him king first time through as I couldn't rule with him as I was an elf and I just felt he wouldn't be a good king. This time I'm a noble so I can rule with him.
Still this wasn't meant to be an attack on anyone or for people take it personal just my observations and me getting a bit tired of someone looking at me with moony eyes all the time and doing what ever I said, need some good helpful opinions please. If you can't make a post with out people getting silly about them what's the point of a forum. You don't have to agree, that's a good thing, but you don't have to be rude about it.

And you speak true hon. Having a backbone certainly does not necessarily that person is going to be or is a jerk. A backbone means they are comfortable with speaking out their opinions and thinking for themselves, not letting someone else completely rule over them. I for one agree with your original post where it would be nice to have the PC's lover give them a good roust of an argument then make it up between the sheets or whatever. )  Goodness I would enjoy that!

I was an elf to on my first game and in love with Alistair. However I made the awful mistake of making him king  and I lost my relationship with him. I was smart the second time and only made him king when I could be queen next to him.  He has the potential to develop into a stronger person if there is a strong woman next to him I think. That's why we Women Ward Commanders  who love him are the strong one )

But for a game, still it is dreamy and nice at times when you are in the mood for him and his romantic antics.

Modifié par Cenwyn, 09 avril 2010 - 09:53 .

[Zy-El]

It's odd how women want their men to have a backbone but not be forceful. Sensitive, yet strong. Assertive but not bullying. And what do men expect of women . . . only that they look HOT!

[ElfKeeper]

Cenwyn you nailed it! Alastair is like a silly romance novel good for the game and fun once in a while but not all the time. Next time I'm going to be a male and romance one of the woman! Nothing like a little varity in life. And Alastair can be my "drinking buddy"!

[EnchantedEyes1]

There are a lot of things I like about Alistair and I do find his romance to be sweet. However, he has been so sheltered that I think I would find it difficult to deal with IRL.

In my games, only my HNF plan on sticking with him through to the end. My other ladies may romance him but Zevran is always the final choice.

[errant_knight]

I see the character so completely differently that it's difficult to know how to respond. The character you describe? No, that wouldn't be an appealing man, but in my opinion, you haven't come close to portraying Alistair accurately.

[Miri1984]

I disagree that he has no backbone. He sticks with you because he realises that you're the best way to stop the blight, even if he does disagree with you. You can force him to leave if you do the right things but it takes a lot. I think he has a sense of duty and a sense of what is right but an awareness that he's not strong enough to be the one to carry it all out. Once you harden him he's a little different in that regard - gets his backbone so to speak, is happy enough to become king.



I think the sad thing about him though is that he is, at the beginning of the game, essentially broken. He's had a horrible life - cared for physically without being loved by any one, and so he desperately wants approval and love from everyone else and never quite gets it (unless you're female and romance him). Once he has that he becomes a much happier person. There's an almost heartbreaking conversation you can have with him after he breaks up with you where you ask him if he's all right and he says "Not really..." Just want to hug him to bits. But he shows backbone there, because he won't get back together with you even though he's miserable!

[jonas524]

In my opinion, I would most deffinitely marry Alistair, or someone like him.

I can relate to alistair in so many ways. The family thing. The desperately wanting approval and love.

I sort of act the same way he does. I make jokes to cover up everything. So, Alistair seems like a very good man and I would like to marry him.

[BillWatson08]

If you read the books, Alistair isn't too much different from his father. The only difference is that Alistair hasn't matured fully.

[Inzhuna]

How is being able to convince him to have a little fun means he has no backbone? This is certainly not true, and not even for unhardened Alistair. He may be pushed to certain extent and you can force him to agree about some things, but he knows what's right, and he will stand up for it.

I will join the other ladies in that my RL bf is quite similar to Al. He is soft and caring, and tends to agree with me if it's not a big issue, just so we don't have pointless arguments. He can always dispel my anger with his sweet attitude.

[hexaligned]

Zy-El wrote...

It's odd how women want their men to have a backbone but not be forceful. Sensitive, yet strong. Assertive but not bullying. And what do men expect of women . . . only that they look HOT!

Well, it's not that simple.  Biologically speaking, when women are ovulating they tend to prefer men who are more typicaly masculine, powerful, dangerous, good genetic stock.  However when they aren't they tend to find men who are more docile, controllable, and gentle, more attractive.  There are excpetions to this, namely early teeange years and early to mid 30's when hormones are produced at an increased rate.  So a "perfect" guy has to be all these things, or at least good at reading women and know how to act when.  Much easier to pull off in a fantasy, I don't really find all the fangirlism suprising, Alistair is very well written to achieve this exact effect.

Of course that's just biology, humans are more than that, conciousness and free will can overcome any biological urge. 

[Bratt1204]

Absolutely, no doubt. His personality is very similar to my husband's; that's why I just adore him.

I disagree - Alistair does have a backbone, look at the high disapprovals you receive if you do something he feels is wrong. Your PC needs high cunning/persuasion skills in most situations to 'talk' him into most things he would normally not do. Most men will do almost anything for the women they love - this goes for women as well. If you feel Alistair can be ‘talked in’ to just about anything, remember – you are the one talking him into it, so how does that made him a weak person? I do not find him weak at all, he is a very genuine and kind individual and I find his character to be by far the most well written. Yes, kudos to David G. for giving us Alistair - I just want to see more of him in future games
 

Modifié par Bratt1204, 10 avril 2010 - 04:19 .

[Cat Lance]

ElfKeeper wrote...

Now this may have already been discussed but as I've only been on the forum for a little while I may have missed it.  But I'm on my second time through and dear sweet Alistair is beginning to get to me.   Lets face it even hardened you wouldn't want to make him king as he's so wishy washy and you can talk him into anything!  Lets have sex with 20 people and a few animals Alistair...."What everyou want my love you know best!".  I think in real life I would have killed him by now...ok in real life I wouldn't never have married him.  If I play it through again I'm playing a male just so I can have him killed off in the end!
Love DA but for the next one can we have a love interest with a back bone...some good arguments between them would be nice!   You know like in real life!
So would anyone really want to marry him or is he just a nice romantic dream for a little while any ways?

I wouldn't marry him even in the game, his nasty personality towards all the other companions really turned me off. The idea that he seems to only be nice to you because you're the last Grey Warden around is pretty well supported. I don't see him as the sweetheart that everyone else does. He behaves like a petulant child and bullies Dog. Blech. I'm not even a dog person and I was totally appalled at those scenes.

[7th_Phoenix]

Carol L S wrote...

Nope..I'd have to be telling him what to do all the time! 

I'd hate that so much... so NO. More of like a very great friend/lover but... not a husband for me. He is a Theirin after all. 

[JosieJ]

BillWatson08 wrote...

If you read the books, Alistair isn't too much different from his father. The only difference is that Alistair hasn't matured fully.

Good point.  The first book shows the process of his father maturing, and I think Origins shows the process of Alistair maturing.  I think by the end of the game, he's a lot more mature than he was in the beginning, especially if you harden him (but even if you don't).

Having said that, though--no, I wouldn't marry him in real life.  He's not really my type, although he'd be an awesome RL friend!

[Miaoyin]

Hehehe, I can't resist choosing Alistair as a relationship, so I have a bit of an opinion after being around him for so long.  Forgive the long post!

God, no, I wouldn't marry him.  Interesting to consider, but any theoretical possibility was over when he cajoled Wynne into mending his clothing.  I wanted to pull him aside at that point and have a WTF? moment with him.  I mean, asking for help is one thing, but the whiney "I can't take care of myself so you should do it" act doesn't fly.  Even the more so because I think he was serious.  *shakes head*

Past that moment, he's just too whiney and indecisive.  My husband prefers to let me make suggestions and then we decide on what to do, but if even that can make me roll my eyes (or bang my head on the wall) on a bad day, having to babysit Alistair through life would cause me to tear my hair out.

I do like someone who can discuss his feelings/thoughts and springs a flower/flowers on you without any hints, but I'm always afraid he's going to start crying.  I mean... I'm the delicate one!  I need the shoulder to cry on!  I can be supportive when he's vulnerable, but damn.  Sometimes the sticky emotions need to just go away.

I've never tried hardening him, but maybe I should.  Maybe he wouldn't be so much of an emotional burden.  I just can't kick the puppy when he's down.

I get the feeling that Alistair's the beautiful college boy that you spend time with and really care for... but at graduation you tell him you're moving to another city, don't want to continue the relationship, and feel crappy about breaking his heart.  And then find someone new who actually makes you laugh as more than a way to pass the time while you stare at his pretty face/chest/arms and listen to his voice.

Maybe he's also like an adorable puppy that never grows up.  Puppies balance incredible cuteness with a need to be constantly taken care of.  Very cute and irresistable, but eventually you just don't have the time, energy and desire to take care of someone else's life 24/7.  Puppy Alistair needs to grow up.

That said, he still says the sweetest things!  When he's not being awkward. 

Modifié par Miaoyin, 10 avril 2010 - 04:32 .

[JosieJ]

Miaoyin wrote...

I've never tried hardening him, but maybe I should.  Maybe he wouldn't be so much of an emotional burden.  I just can't kick the puppy when he's down.

Believe me, it's kinder in the end to harden him.  He "grows a backbone," as they say, and is a happier person for it.

Modifié par JosieJ, 10 avril 2010 - 04:37 .

[Miaoyin]

I'm going to have to go for it, then. I can't resist the relationship with him, but I feel guilty for wanting him to just shut up and kiss my char. *laughs*