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[ElfKeeper]

Wow everyone has some interesting views on him. So maybe he's the most loved and hated character?

[Zy-El]

relhart wrote...

Zy-El wrote...

It's odd how women want their men to have a backbone but not be forceful. Sensitive, yet strong. Assertive but not bullying. And what do men expect of women . . . only that they look HOT!

Well, it's not that simple.  Biologically speaking, when women are ovulating they tend to prefer men who are more typicaly masculine, powerful, dangerous, good genetic stock.  However when they aren't they tend to find men who are more docile, controllable, and gentle, more attractive.  There are excpetions to this, namely early teeange years and early to mid 30's when hormones are produced at an increased rate.  So a "perfect" guy has to be all these things, or at least good at reading women and know how to act when.  Much easier to pull off in a fantasy, I don't really find all the fangirlism suprising, Alistair is very well written to achieve this exact effect.

Of course that's just biology, humans are more than that, conciousness and free will can overcome any biological urge. 

And we wonder why men have such a hard time understanding women?  A woman's preference will change with "that time of the month".  Feel sorry for the poor louts.

About my HOT statement - men don't care what time of the month it is - they will always prefer/notice us as long as we're HOT looking.  Men's perferences are visually-attuned, after all, and women know it.

[EnchantedEyes1]

Miaoyin wrote... I'm going to have to go for it, then. I can't resist the relationship with him, but I feel guilty for wanting him to just shut up and kiss my char. *laughs*

I can relate. Most of the reason my non nobles romance him is to be able to kiss someone all over Ferelden I really wish that option would have been available with all the LIs.

[Wolfaura]

I love him in game and Iam a fan girl, it's fun to fantasize. But no not in the real world, I prefer guys who are smarter, more confident and not so stupid and whingy.

[Spazztik]

Is Alistair dreamy of course! His sense of humor, awkwardness, naivety, and whiny emoishness work in DAO so very well, but in reality it would kind of suck. Though I probably would marry Alistair irl just because im a fangirl lol!

[OneBadAssMother]

Wifey considers Alistair a cute little puppy, someone she would lead on and have fun with. Tsk tsk, cruel.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Although my avatar is female im a guy and i liked alistar i kinda saw me in him in alot of ways expect i can make conversation. So wen i romanced him i thought he was cool and hes not spoused to be a manly man. Wouldn't suit his charater Lover or just bro i like him hes like a virtural brother. My lilsister would deffiently marry him though lol. As for me i'd be his best bud irl forcing him to become president

Modifié par OrlesianWardenCommander, 12 avril 2010 - 04:38 .

[SRWill64]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Absolutely, no doubt. His personality is very similar to my husband's; that's why I just adore him.

I disagree - Alistair does have a backbone, look at the high disapprovals you receive if you do something he feels is wrong. Your PC needs high cunning/persuasion skills in most situations to 'talk' him into most things he would normally not do. Most men will do almost anything for the women they love - this goes for women as well. If you feel Alistair can be ‘talked in’ to just about anything, remember – you are the one talking him into it, so how does that made him a weak person? I do not find him weak at all, he is a very genuine and kind individual and I find his character to be by far the most well written. Yes, kudos to David G. for giving us Alistair - I just want to see more of him in future games
 

You are SO right. You hit the nail square on the head! The only thing you missed in your assessment of Alistair's character is the ranting and raving he does if you do something he really disaproves of...I mean as in not talking to that person anymore...even though it's the PC! I was shocked by some of the videos on UTube.com. There is one on there where the girl has done everything wrong by him...OMG he tells her she's not even worthy of being a Grey Warden and he doesn't "see whatever it is that Duncan saw®" in you!  No backbone, indeed. If he didn't need her to help fight the Blight he would have, physically if neccesary, thrown her to the darkspawn himself! I mean, he was !
No backbone indeed.  I can't believe some people.
And he is pretty much Maric all over again. Except he doesn't get vicious when he's older (but Loghain did that to him).
Oh yes...the other reason for this post..... I almost forgot....
I would marry Alistair irl in a heartbeat....oh wait...I did, except his name is different....

Modifié par SRWill64, 13 avril 2010 - 03:46 .

[SRWill64]

Miaoyin wrote...

Hehehe, I can't resist choosing Alistair as a relationship, so I have a bit of an opinion after being around him for so long.  Forgive the long post!

God, no, I wouldn't marry him.  Interesting to consider, but any theoretical possibility was over when he cajoled Wynne into mending his clothing.  I wanted to pull him aside at that point and have a WTF? moment with him.  I mean, asking for help is one thing, but the whiney "I can't take care of myself so you should do it" act doesn't fly.  Even the more so because I think he was serious.  *shakes head*

Past that moment, he's just too whiney and indecisive.  My husband prefers to let me make suggestions and then we decide on what to do, but if even that can make me roll my eyes (or bang my head on the wall) on a bad day, having to babysit Alistair through life would cause me to tear my hair out.

I do like someone who can discuss his feelings/thoughts and springs a flower/flowers on you without any hints, but I'm always afraid he's going to start crying.  I mean... I'm the delicate one!  I need the shoulder to cry on!  I can be supportive when he's vulnerable, but damn.  Sometimes the sticky emotions need to just go away.

I've never tried hardening him, but maybe I should.  Maybe he wouldn't be so much of an emotional burden.  I just can't kick the puppy when he's down.

I get the feeling that Alistair's the beautiful college boy that you spend time with and really care for... but at graduation you tell him you're moving to another city, don't want to continue the relationship, and feel crappy about breaking his heart.  And then find someone new who actually makes you laugh as more than a way to pass the time while you stare at his pretty face/chest/arms and listen to his voice.

Maybe he's also like an adorable puppy that never grows up.  Puppies balance incredible cuteness with a need to be constantly taken care of.  Very cute and irresistable, but eventually you just don't have the time, energy and desire to take care of someone else's life 24/7.  Puppy Alistair needs to grow up.

That said, he still says the sweetest things!  When he's not being awkward. 

Maybe I am stronger than most women. Don't let the avatar fool you....I am female....last time I checked anyway. lol
This is my male Warden, not me.
All the things that bother you about him, I find adorable....but he's not wishy washy. He has his morals and will stand his ground and fight for them; I just never really challenge them.

Modifié par SRWill64, 13 avril 2010 - 03:54 .

[SRWill64]

ElfKeeper wrote...

Wow everyone has some interesting views on him. So maybe he's the most loved and hated character?

He's like cats....everybody either loves him or hates him; there is no in-between.

[midasear]

No backbone?



Every time my Warden needs to fight a dragon, broodmother, army of monsters or horde of crazy cultists, Alistair is there with sword drawn and no complaints except a joke or two. If you let him, he'll even strike down the Archdemon knowing it means his death.



That anyone so resolute and cheerful in the face of almost certain death can be widely considered to have 'no backbone' is a sign of how short sighted people can be.

[SRWill64]

midasear wrote...

No backbone?

Every time my Warden needs to fight a dragon, broodmother, army of monsters or horde of crazy cultists, Alistair is there with sword drawn and no complaints except a joke or two. If you let him, he'll even strike down the Archdemon knowing it means his death.

That anyone so resolute and cheerful in the face of almost certain death can be widely considered to have 'no backbone' is a sign of how short sighted people can be.

This is so true and I get tired of people saying he is spineless, even if Sten doesn't say it....he just says it's a pity Alistair doesn't use it. But he does.

[eucatastrophe]

I would.
The thing about Alistair is that while he epitomises easy-going, unassertive and naive, he also is very committed to what he believes to be right/wrong. If you insult him, or disagree with his opinions, he tends to fight back for a little bit, then he shuts down. And in doing so, you have lost yourself the aid and friendship of a good person. 

I'm sure though, there are times when I would want to grab him by the shoulders and shake him LOL. But his sweetness, his gentle demeanour, and his general goofiness is what I really love.

[TheShadowWolf911]

considering im a guy and im straight, im gonna have to go with no......

[ElvenGoddess]

i'd have to say yes. my so-called hubby now is nearly the same way, playful, very quiet, goes with the flow, prefers to follow rather than lead, very indecisive, needs frequent re-assurance, needs directing, somewhat immature, but always takes care of his responsibilities (work, family, home, etc). in most ways its great. i can get or do basically anything i want to within reason. its very easy to convince him of anything should i so desire. i will admit that sometimes i just wanna slap him and say make a f'ing decision already or grow the hell up! but most things balance out in the end. having been on the spectrum of both ends, i'd take an alistair type guy over an over-bearing macho man anyday. been there done that & got the scars to prove it. glad to have my alistair like man now. just like alistair, he'd defend me to his death and would stand up if he truly felt strongly about something and is in most aspects a genuinely good man who will always treat me right. not to say he doesn't f-up now and again but who doesn't? what more could you ask for?

[Miri1984]

This is a good thread! Just want to say thanks to all for not letting it degenerate into a Ali-bashing . He's a very complex character - DG did absolutely brilliantly.

[mousestalker]

I don't think it would work between us. He's a cartoon character that's made up of pixels and I am flesh and bones. It may be un-PC, but these mixed marriages rarely work out. Not to mention he would be completely at a loss dealing with our world and I couldn't handle Ferelden's total lack of horses and weird weather patterns. And let's face it, Alistair is the kind of guy who runs out of things to say. He also repeats himself. I've heard the lamp post line at least ten times already. And that's just in four months. No relationship can survive that level of repetition.



It would never work. /cry

[Miri1984]

mousestalker wrote...

I don't think it would work between us. He's a cartoon character that's made up of pixels and I am flesh and bones. It may be un-PC, but these mixed marriages rarely work out. Not to mention he would be completely at a loss dealing with our world and I couldn't handle Ferelden's total lack of horses and weird weather patterns. And let's face it, Alistair is the kind of guy who runs out of things to say. He also repeats himself. I've heard the lamp post line at least ten times already. And that's just in four months. No relationship can survive that level of repetition.

It would never work. /cry

[Dragonairess]

Knowing what I know so far, yes... but no. I'll explain.



*SPOILER*



I'm still not fully recovered from his dismissal of my PC after Landsmeet. I played through that without knowing what would happen, wanting to play that part legit. The acute pain of being thrown under the "You served your purpose, but now I need someone else to serve it," bus was terrible. Okay, it was good gaming, but the aftermath for me wasn't fun.



Knowing what he is capable of in that scenario, I don't know that I'd run up the isle to marry him. I absolutely adore him as a party mate, but that "want a fertile wife, not tainted goods" bs really colored the gameplay experience for me. Oh yeah, I'm totally over it and happily hacking away at desire demons with Shale while he is on time out, but still... my PC has rocked Ferelden (so far), tainted womb or no.

[LetheanRiver]

mousestalker wrote...

I don't think it would work between us. He's a cartoon character that's made up of pixels and I am flesh and bones. It may be un-PC, but these mixed marriages rarely work out. Not to mention he would be completely at a loss dealing with our world and I couldn't handle Ferelden's total lack of horses and weird weather patterns. And let's face it, Alistair is the kind of guy who runs out of things to say. He also repeats himself. I've heard the lamp post line at least ten times already. And that's just in four months. No relationship can survive that level of repetition.

It would never work. /cry

ahahah 

Anyway, hmm... I will ^^He prefers to be leaded, but in the end of the game you can see that he is a good leader... he just acts as he's "stupid".. he can be easiliy persuaded, but that doesn't mean that he will do everything I say.

[Carmen_Willow]

Alistair's only problem is that he is YOUNG! Gosh, give the guy a break. He's only in his 20's plus he's spent a great deal of his life in a cloister, for Maker's sake! He's like a new young wine that needs time to mature. Would I marry the guy in real life? In a heartbeat! He has a self honesty that I admire, he's a demon tank, and he knows himself well enough to know his own weaknesses, and he wants to love you unconditionally (even if circumstances don't allow it). What's not to like? Okay, so he cries over losing the most important male figure in his life! It doesn't stop him from taking off the head of the guy responsible. Alistair is no wimp! He's just young!

[Carmen_Willow]

Miri1984 wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

I don't think it would work between us. He's a cartoon character that's made up of pixels and I am flesh and bones. It may be un-PC, but these mixed marriages rarely work out. Not to mention he would be completely at a loss dealing with our world and I couldn't handle Ferelden's total lack of horses and weird weather patterns. And let's face it, Alistair is the kind of guy who runs out of things to say. He also repeats himself. I've heard the lamp post line at least ten times already. And that's just in four months. No relationship can survive that level of repetition.

It would never work. /cry

 OMG, so true!

[Carmen_Willow]

ElvenGoddess wrote...

i'd have to say yes. my so-called hubby now is nearly the same way, playful, very quiet, goes with the flow, prefers to follow rather than lead, very indecisive, needs frequent re-assurance, needs directing, somewhat immature, but always takes care of his responsibilities (work, family, home, etc). in most ways its great. i can get or do basically anything i want to within reason. its very easy to convince him of anything should i so desire. i will admit that sometimes i just wanna slap him and say make a ****g decision already or grow the hell up! but most things balance out in the end. having been on the spectrum of both ends, i'd take an alistair type guy over an over-bearing macho man anyday. been there done that & got the scars to prove it. glad to have my alistair like man now. just like alistair, he'd defend me to his death and would stand up if he truly felt strongly about something and is in most aspects a genuinely good man who will always treat me right. not to say he doesn't f-up now and again but who doesn't? what more could you ask for?

Amen, sister.

[mopotter]

I like Alistair and he makes me laugh and he's there in the middle of the night when my mage has nightmares offering support.



I also married someone who has some of the same qualities as Alistair. I like my husband as a person and he makes me laugh, brings me a single rose for no reason and he's dependable. If Alistair were real, older (or I was younger) and I wasn't married to my best friend, yes, I would quite happily spend my life with Alistair.

[mopotter]

ElfKeeper wrote...

Love DA but for the next one can we have a love interest with a back bone...some good arguments between them would be nice!   You know like in real life!

Just noticed this part.  My husband and I have had 2 arguments in the last 20 years, so for me that would be a turn off and I'd be changing the locks on my door.  :happy:    

I prefer laughing together and we've been doing that for 23 years.  and hugs, yes hugs are wonderful.  Group family hugs and I love you hugs.  
Why would I want to marry, or even date, someone I had to argue with, might be just me, but most of the people I argued with are people I don't like.   Or maybe you ment small  -Alistair it's your turn to cook over the pit fire I did it yesterday - arguments .