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[Judge_Ghis]

ok so my integrated video card wont play this game so im looking into buying a desktop but will be building it from scratch

ive come accross this deal on newegg.com and im wondering if it will work for the game if not let me know and if you have a better deal on video cards and any other deals going on please let me know i have an semi-old desktop but im sure it needs alot of revamps to work ..... im working with $500 so let me know

ASUS GeForce GT 220 ENGT220/DI/1GD2(LP) Video Card - 

[Gorath Alpha]

Actually, a GT 220 is pretty weak sauce. 

I looked it up for another member here, and it really isn't a good value in its low performance versus its uncompetitive price.  You pay too much per each FPS it puts out:

www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gt-220-review-test/8

You really want a 240, if you have to have a Geforce, or perhaps think about a Radeon instead, such as an HD 5670.

If your prior desktop is as old as I (now) think it is, only the case, keyboard, and speakers are likely to be useful to do much of anything with, and it will depend on the case, whether it is useful or not.  Compaq's, Dell's, HP's, and Sony's enclosures aren't usually very standard at all, and Gateway's always seem to feature non-standard power supply dimensions. 

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 09 avril 2010 - 05:39 .

[Judge_Ghis]

thanks for the response well im looking on newegg for a cost effective card so ill keep looking for a radeon

[Judge_Ghis]

how does this look

HIS H567Q512 Radeon HD 5670 (Redwood) IceQ 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

[Gorath Alpha]

Judge_Ghis wrote...

thanks for the response well im looking on newegg for a cost effective card so ill keep looking for a radeon

Toms Hardware updates its "best VGA for the dollar" articles every month, and their testing looks very honest.  And I apologize for not posing these three questions (below) right away, because they are part of the right way to shop for a card. 

1.  Start with the screen resolution you want to use.  Write it down. 
2.  Make a generalization about how "nice" you hope to see the images displayed.  Write it down. 
3.  Come up with a maximum amount you will spend to get there.  Write it down. 
Pause.
4.  Start checking the specifications of cards in your price range that might fulfill your first two criteria. 

Remember that if you choose a resolution beyond "Medium", you must step outside of the mainline Gaming (medium) class, and when you do so, the purchase gets a second part.  High End cards require more current & higher quality from a power supply.  You have to match the amperage that the card requires. 

Some of us here may be able to offer better-refined advice if you share those three numbers with us.   It is my opinion that whether you are only shopping for the video component, or for an entire complement of new parts from whuch to assemble a gaming system, as you started this round saying, you should still start from those three salient points. 

Here's the Toms Hardware page for the $100 price point, as an example: www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2569-3.html

Here's my pixel shader performance rankings list: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/128343

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 09 avril 2010 - 05:43 .

[ct1615]

actually the two most important questions are



1) is your graphics slot an AGP or PCI-E x16, you stated your PC is "semi-old" that may mean it takes only AGP cards



2) how many watts does your power supply have? or even better, its make and model number. Higher performance cards needs more power.



Once you know what will work (and what won't), you can look at your budget and your screen's native resolution.



FYI, The ATI 5670 you linked is a decent gaming card and works with most new PC as long as they have a 300w+ PSU.

[Gorath Alpha]

ct1615 wrote...

actually the two most important questions
are

1) is your graphics slot an AGP or PCI-E x16, you stated your
PC is "semi-old" that may mean it takes only AGP cards

2) how
many watts does your power supply have? or even better, its make and
model number. Higher performance cards needs more power.

Once
you know what will work (and what won't), you can look at your budget
and your screen's native resolution.

FYI, The ATI 5670 you linked
is a decent gaming card and works with most new PC as long as they have
a 300w+ PSU.

Actually, the OP started by saying he was starting from scratch, I thought, but had a prior history with the forum:

Judge_Ghis wrote...

ok just got the game laptop is from
2007 with a 5 month old copy of Windows 7

I didn't have the impression this time that the old desktop was really an important part of the current plan.  However, quirte a few hours passed between reading the first message in the thread and preparing my original version of what held this particular position here in the thread (already changed a lot once, and now again).

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 09 avril 2010 - 05:51 .

[Extacykillz]

Oh man.. the new gtx 480 got me rockin wood.. and they are spendy but well worth it..

[Gorath Alpha]

Extacykillz wrote...

Oh man.. the new gtx 480 got me rockin wood.. and they are spendy but well worth it..

Four more days to go.  Contain yourself. 

[Judge_Ghis]

here's everything on my old desktop off the BIOS page before windows loads



Intel Pentium 4 processor: 1.8GHz

Level 2 Cache: 512 Kb integrated

Installed Memory: 128 MB DDR SRAM

System Memory Speed: 266 MHz

AGP Aperture: 128 Mb

CPU Speed Normal

Bus Speed 400 MHz

Processor 0 ID: F27

---Clock Speed 1.8 GHz

---Cache Size: 512 Kb



im missing my old hard drive so i cant get on it but i can get into the setup utility and the boot menu



so let me know what you think ill keep looking for what my video card already is and the power info

[Extacykillz]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Extacykillz wrote...

Oh man.. the new gtx 480 got me rockin wood.. and they are spendy but well worth it..

Four more days to go.  Contain yourself. 

lol.. I know i know.. but them marks are just fantastic

[Gorath Alpha]

Judge_Ghis wrote...

here's everything on my old desktop off the BIOS page before windows loads

Intel Pentium 4 processor: 1.8GHz
Level 2 Cache: 512 Kb integrated
Installed Memory: 128 MB DDR SRAM
System Memory Speed: 266 MHz
AGP Aperture: 128 Mb
CPU Speed Normal
Bus Speed 400 MHz
Processor 0 ID: F27
---Clock Speed 1.8 GHz
---Cache Size: 512 Kb

im missing my old hard drive so i cant get on it but i can get into the setup utility and the boot menu

so let me know what you think ill keep looking for what my video card already is and the power info

Personally, I hadn't been harboring much of an impression that you expected the old desktop to still have any current value toward a gaming system build.  I certainly don't see anything in that list that represents a salvage opportunity. 

Gorath
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[joey_mork84]

I would have to agree with Gorath.. In my honest opinion, if you are wanting to build a good gaming system you will probably have to do what I am in the process of doing with one of the spare pc's I have. If the tower case is decent (I'm going for optimism here), then keep the case and gut it. Start from the ground up with a good motherboard that will fit the case and go from there part by part. Its easier when you have a case to start with rather than trying to pick out a new case as well as the parts that will fit it. At least its easier that way in my experience.

[Gorath Alpha]

After awhile, once I had a reasonably useful PC in each place I was likely to come to a full stop here at home, I only re-use the "old" cases for holding actual old hardware, like some P-I / P-II / K6-2 systems I put together to match some of the older, but still replayable, games in my library of old stuff.  Once I had my first well-designed, quality enclosure, I was on my way to being spoiled.  I'd been building PCs for something like 20 years up to that point, avoiding "Bling" as unnecessary, and in so doing, also missing such features as removable MB Trays. 

Cooler Master is selling their "Elite" line that has many high quality feature (not including such an MB Tray), that has always had an MSRP less than $50, or another $25 more, but with a Cooler Master PSU included that is worth over twice that additional amount.  That is a tremendous bargain for what you get.  In the past, I've tried to humor some of those who want my help with upgrades and tried keeping their existing brand-name cases. 

Eventually, I began to refure.  They just aren't designed "right" for private / home assembly.  With regard only to some middle aged, middle sized Dell systems, the power supplies were worth saving in many of them.  They may have been rated as "250 watts" (and I don't like that system of rating a PSU), but it was very conservative, and the specs those power supplies were built to meet were equal to higher rated units a quarter part or more above the number (when rated 250 watts, it was at least as good as any other brand's 330 watt).

Last, with regard to the Fermi, with that 4-12-'10 release date, after 7:00 PM, it's not an ordinary GPU at all; it's also a competitor for use in a High-End special purpose computer, and is a monster, huge beyond belief.  They will be faced with terrible yields with that behemoth, and the trickle down development will also suffer from where that big beast starts (very difficult to "scale" it to Medium and to Low End derivative parts). 

ATI, on the other hand, has almost certainly (IMO) held back on something like an HD 5890 that they can tweak to beat the GTX 480, and beat it at a lower price.  nVIDIA just won't have wiggle room in their pricing to deal with that response from ATI. 

Gorath
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[joey_mork84]

LMAO By 'old' I didn't mean ancient lol.. If the case is in good shape and can hold a good motherboard, I say use it. If its so old that you can only have extremely old hardware inside, buy a new case lol..

[Gorath Alpha]

The only "Pre-ATX" case looks a lot like a 1987 PS/2 Model 80 (386 Tower), with a pedestal base under it, and is running DSL   The others have to have screws holding everything where it goes, no tool-less anything, and no fans larger than 80 mms.  I had to mod the bezel on the tall case a lot to get a decent air intake into it, and it is all steel (other than the bezel), meaning using a hole saw to put fans into the access panel is just a sure way to injure yourself (been there, done that)

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 09 avril 2010 - 09:10 .

[joey_mork84]

LOL Gorath.. Gotta be careful with those power tools and such.. They hurt a lot lol.. But yea, a friend of mine has a case almost identical to what you are describing here and (to my surprise) still uses it.. It's so old it still has that ugly beige/off-white color to it and is HUGE.. Those legs on the bottom don't help much to hold it up anymore as they are falling apart from age and neglect.. lol

@OP: Sorry I severly derailed your thread.. I'm bad about that lol..

Modifié par joey_mork84, 09 avril 2010 - 11:01 .