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[MajesticJazz]

firest0rm wrote...

Got my vote, loved both of the books and most of the characters. would be a neat bit of fan service for the hardcore fans.

We already had Fanservice for Tali and Garrus in ME2. It is time that Bioware goes back to the drawing board and create something fresh, use their own intuition.

Besides, Kahlee is too annoying....too much of a Mary Sue. She is involved with nearly almost every major event but only so by accident. She is sort of like an Inspector Gadget type individual. She is also very stubborn and denies everything and the things she denies eventually becomes true....like her boy-toy in the 2nd Book turning out to be a Cerberus informant.

She is just too clumsy of a character and it is always Anderson or some other person coming in to save her butt because she was too stubborn to listen to anybody in the first place.

I hope this 4th novel has NOTHING to do with Kahlee Sanders.

[AdmiralCheez]

Take note, everyone, for I am about to agree with MajesticJazz.

*agrees with MajesticJazz*

There. I hope you all saw that, because it probably won't happen again for a very long time.

[Quole]

Alphia wrote...

I'd just like to see some of the characters from the novels in general. Though I'm hoping for Kei Leng (sp?)

No. That character was even more face palm inducing and retarded.

[kyles3]

Kahlee was like book cancer. Wouldn't mind seeing Lemm in ME3, though.

[Sajuro]

What is with all of the Kahlee hate?

[Quole]

Sajuro wrote...

What is with all of the Kahlee hate?

Her character is boring and retarded. Also some of the things she does makes no sense, like when she somehow beat up an armed guy even though she was in handcuffs. Almost as bad as when Kai Leng somehow managed to kill a group of armed turians without an actual weapon. Moments like those really affect your judgement of the characters.

[Johnsen1972]

Quole wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

What is with all of the Kahlee hate?

Her character is boring and retarded. Also some of the things she does makes no sense, like when she somehow beat up an armed guy even though she was in handcuffs. Almost as bad as when Kai Leng somehow managed to kill a group of armed turians without an actual weapon. Moments like those really affect your judgement of the characters.

that guy wasnt expecting an attack, I think that scene was described quite accurate and belivable

[Quole]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

What is with all of the Kahlee hate?

Her character is boring and retarded. Also some of the things she does makes no sense, like when she somehow beat up an armed guy even though she was in handcuffs. Almost as bad as when Kai Leng somehow managed to kill a group of armed turians without an actual weapon. Moments like those really affect your judgement of the characters.

that guy wasnt expecting an attack, I think that scene was described quite accurate and belivable

no, it wasnt. A regular person would have recovered fast enough to retaliate. Unexpectidly getting headbutted would hurt and would be surprising but it would certainly not do would it did int he book.

Modifié par Quole, 01 mars 2011 - 02:22 .

[Sajuro]

Quole wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

What is with all of the Kahlee hate?

Her character is boring and retarded. Also some of the things she does makes no sense, like when she somehow beat up an armed guy even though she was in handcuffs. Almost as bad as when Kai Leng somehow managed to kill a group of armed turians without an actual weapon. Moments like those really affect your judgement of the characters.

Apparently she isn't too retarded if she managed that Also, I don't think beating up someone who is in a position to harm you is an action that doesn't make sense . Is Nick retarded too because he escaped the cafeteria to impress her and then didn't kill them with his biotic attack?
My only problem with her was that she kept bringing up how brilliant she was in the middle of Retribution, I understand  that it is to convince the Turians to let her work on the data, but blah blah blah.
As for Kai Leng, he was operating on the element of suprise because TIM and the guards acted as decoys when Kai Leng first struck. The Turians were thrown into confusion by the surprise, to me it wasn't unlike what Thane did in the Mass Effect 2 trailer when he took out all of those guards, or even in the game when he killed every guard in Nassana's room when Shepard had her distracted, does that mean Thane is retarded and boring, oh and he doesn't make sense either (stop crying about your wife, she's dead).

[Mylene]

I'd rather see kai leng

[Quole]

Sajuro wrote...

Quole wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

What is with all of the Kahlee hate?

Her character is boring and retarded. Also some of the things she does makes no sense, like when she somehow beat up an armed guy even though she was in handcuffs. Almost as bad as when Kai Leng somehow managed to kill a group of armed turians without an actual weapon. Moments like those really affect your judgement of the characters.

Apparently she isn't too retarded if she managed that Also, I don't think beating up someone who is in a position to harm you is an action that doesn't make sense . Is Nick retarded too because he escaped the cafeteria to impress her and then didn't kill them with his biotic attack?
My only problem with her was that she kept bringing up how brilliant she was in the middle of Retribution, I understand  that it is to convince the Turians to let her work on the data, but blah blah blah.
As for Kai Leng, he was operating on the element of suprise because TIM and the guards acted as decoys when Kai Leng first struck. The Turians were thrown into confusion by the surprise, to me it wasn't unlike what Thane did in the Mass Effect 2 trailer when he took out all of those guards, or even in the game when he killed every guard in Nassana's room when Shepard had her distracted, does that mean Thane is retarded and boring, oh and he doesn't make sense either (stop crying about your wife, she's dead).

no no. I dont mean her beating up the guy made her retarded. I mean the WAY she beat him up and the fact that she beat him up at all was retarded.
As for what you said about Kai Leng: There was NO excuse for that. He may have caught them off guard at first, but it got to the point where he somehow managed to kill three of them in close combat.
Also, there were less people in the room for Thane and he used a gun. Even so, that scene was retarded as well.
And Nick is just a retarded character in general.

Modifié par Quole, 01 mars 2011 - 02:33 .

[Sajuro]

You'll have to refresh my memory of it Quole, I read Ascension and Retribution but not Revelation. Anyway, I don't really think her character is boring, honestly Kai Leng may be the worst character in the books for over half of retribution since his appearances consisted of "Grrr, I hate aliens" and people noticing "that guy does not like Aliens" I wasn't too broken up about his escape though, that just means another Cerberus Lackey to go through in ME3.

[Quole]

Sajuro wrote...

You'll have to refresh my memory of it Quole, I read Ascension and Retribution but not Revelation. Anyway, I don't really think her character is boring, honestly Kai Leng may be the worst character in the books for over half of retribution since his appearances consisted of "Grrr, I hate aliens" and people noticing "that guy does not like Aliens" I wasn't too broken up about his escape though, that just means another Cerberus Lackey to go through in ME3.

Well, anyone can like or hate any character but I was just answering the original question of why so many people dislike characters from the novels. GENERALLY most of them are not that interesting and they do things that make you facepalm.

Modifié par Quole, 01 mars 2011 - 02:52 .

[MajesticJazz]

Sajuro wrote...

What is with all of the Kahlee hate?

Here is my previous post

Besides, Kahlee is too annoying....too much of a Mary Sue. She is involved with nearly almost every major event but only so by accident. She is sort of like an Inspector Gadget type individual. She is also very stubborn and denies everything and the things she denies eventually becomes true....like her boy-toy in the 2nd Book turning out to be a Cerberus informant.

She is just too clumsy of a character and it is always Anderson or some other person coming in to save her butt because she was too stubborn to listen to anybody in the first place.

Just to add on the notion of her being stubborn. She is VERY stubborn who NEVER listens to advice and what she doesn't listen to ALWAYS comes back to haunt her and it is ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE who has to come in and save her.

She is too much of a plot device to major plot points rather than a fleshed out character.

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 01 mars 2011 - 03:04 .

[Sajuro]

Majesticjazz, I reject the notion that she is a mary sue, at least in the traditional sense (and that includes Canon Sues) Kahlee is still immature as a character (her stubborness, the unwillingness to admit that she is wrong with both Jiro, Grayson, and trying to save Grayson from his reaper implants, she hasn't let it almost kill her like you would suggest. Nevermind the fact that Lem probably wouldn't have gotten out of the warehouse without her since Hendle was out of it for most of the time. She fought capably against the Cerberus commandos on the Quarian ship and the only reason Golo was able to injure her is because he hit her from behind.

[MajesticJazz]

Sajuro wrote...

Majesticjazz, I reject the notion that she is a mary sue, at least in the traditional sense (and that includes Canon Sues) Kahlee is still immature as a character (her stubborness, the unwillingness to admit that she is wrong with both Jiro, Grayson, and trying to save Grayson from his reaper implants, she hasn't let it almost kill her like you would suggest. Nevermind the fact that Lem probably wouldn't have gotten out of the warehouse without her since Hendle was out of it for most of the time. She fought capably against the Cerberus commandos on the Quarian ship and the only reason Golo was able to injure her is because he hit her from behind.

The idea that she never listens to reason and thus always gets into trouble is a very annoying factor about her. Also she has little to NO character development. With Grayson and even Anderson, you can see an evolution of characters from one book to another, I didn't get this with Kahlee as to me, Kahlee in Retribution was no different than the Kahlee in Revelation.  With that being said, she is nothing more than a simple plot device. In terms of only the novels, she happens to be right there with almost EVERY single major revelation/plot point. That is no problem, but the problem is that she really doesn't give any valuable insight to ANY of these revelations/plot-points. It is only perhiperial characters like Pel, Grayson, Gillian, Anderson and so one who does this instead. The authors seems to always place her at the focus of these stories.....without really being focal to the story. It is like she is just there.....hence....plot device.

Also I really do not know anything about her as a person. I know her background as she was in the Alliance, she is the daughter of an important person (cant remember his name) and she was part of the Acension project. But those are background details about her, not personality details. I know more about Jiro and Pel in one novel than I do about Kahlee in 3 novels. Her character was never really fleshed about beyond just happening to be there at the "key plot points" of the story which goes back to her being a plot device.

With all that being said, I hope Kahlee doesn't appear in ME3. I don't even want the 4th novel to have ANYTHING to do with her. There are MANY ways to lead into ME3 without having to play the "Kahlee Sanders card" for the 4th time.

[Shaltiar]

I vote yes. Kahlee Sanders is awesome.

[ODST 3]

I'm not interested in anything more than an easter egg from those book characters. I only read one of the books and it wasn't too good. Kahlee Sanders was a lame character who teased Keith David. If she is in ME3, I should hope I get to shoot her.

[nevar00]

I assume she'll be in as a minor side character to tie up any loose ends in the book. She might give you a little side quest or something.

I expect Kai Leng will be in there too. Honestly I don't care for either of these characters, but I guess it would be a nice way to tie in the books.

[HawaiianShorts]

I would really like to see Kahlee in ME3. it would be nice to have another strong female charater ( in my opinion, only Tali and Liara are worth being on the Normandy). atleast maybe eventually a code with the new novel could have a dlc tie in with Kahlee's story and possibly more in game time with Anderson. Also if she is in the game, I hope she acts like she did in the first book (respectable and unique). Btw, if the Quarian fleet is revisited, I wouldn't mind meeting Gillian and Lem. I hope Bioware does stuff like this for the fans....

Modifié par HawaiianShorts, 15 avril 2011 - 03:27 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Sanders was a very unique character in the first book - but by the second and third she was a stero-typical "skank" who had sex on her mind too much.

What, because she had a lover in the second book and got together with Anderson in the third? It's not even like she's constantly fantasizing about them, she just had a guy she made out with and that was it.

[Elite Midget]

If she's an NPC than the Sanders in your Squad might be dieing...

[Marta Rio]

I'm sure we'll see her, if only for a fleeting moment.  Her bro (cousin? uncle?) is a squadmate, and her beau (Anderson) is another likely squadmate. 

To add to the list of reasons for the Kahlee hate, a couple more Mary-Sueish characteristics:
- She's awesome at everything even remotely technological/sciency, to the point of it being eye-rolling.
- She has numerous males fawning over her - Anderson (obvs), Grayson, that biotic kid at Grissom academy (novel #3).  Heck even Hendel Mitra loves her (in a platonic way, I guess).

That being said, I don't dislike Kahlee all that much.  She's ok, but not super great.

HawaiianShorts wrote...
I would really like to see Kahlee in ME3. it would be nice to have another strong female charater ( in my
opinion, only Tali and Liara are worth being on the Normandy).

LOL, so in your opinion, Ashley, Samara, Jack, Miranda and Kasumi are not "strong" females?  And Tali and Liara (the two characters who have had the most "damsel in distress" moments) are?  Does not compute.  If anything, the ME series has too many strong females.  They should loan them to other gaming franchises or something.

Modifié par Marta Rio, 15 avril 2011 - 06:03 .

[jimmyjoefro]

Quole obviously doesn't believe in the existence of skilled assassins.

As far as Kahlee Sanders in ME3, as long as it's not a rescue mission, I'd be OK with it.

I don't think she's a Mary Sue.  She has many character flaws, which Mary Sues just don't have.  If she's doing heart surgery one chapter then cracking Cerberus codes the next, then there would be a case, but being a genius with technology doesn't qualify her.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 15 avril 2011 - 06:18 .

[WillardH]

I just hope that the events of retribution are referenced somehow, with grayson being infused with reaper tech, anderson going off on an adventure lol, or something. I was very happy when the quarians freaked out in the beginning of ME2, saying that Cerberus had tried to blow up one of their ships cuz I was like HA I know exactly what they are talking about, thanks to Ascension. Little things like that make the Mass Effect universe seem very fleshed out and real.