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[Nicodemus]

And that is the crux of that matter Liquid, ME2 has some lingering camera angles that although a bit crass don't do much to harm our sensibilities. For the journalist to solely point to this aspect of the game and moan is nit picking of the highest order. I can think of a number of games that debase/objectify the feminine form to such a degree that it could only ever really pander to the insecure males with little libidos and a lack of confidence.



While I can sympathise with your point of view the best way to sum it up is by what my partner said to me on seeing the lingering camera shots, "nice fake bum.. not as good as mine though".

[Ziggy]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Em23 wrote...
It's not so much what she's wearing as how she is sexualised by the camera angles - read the article. Women get objectified by men too often as it is. We're not here for solely your entertainment and being confident does not mean wanting to pander to your sexual fantasies. I'm so sick of men thinking like that.

Then blame the camera and not the character. As a character, Miranda stands well on her own. The confidence is hers. The cinematography was a presentation choice made by the team responsible for that. To be honest, I caught few instances of this myself. I know because I was specifically looking for this sort of thing, being the man that wants his sexual fantasies pandered to.

I do blame the camera - I've nothing against Miranda as a character. So long as you're prepared to pander to your girlfriends sexual fantasies as well then great - fantasise away. I was once asked by a guy wearing racing car boxer shorts to put on some sexy underwear. That's the kind of behaviour I'm talking about and the kind of thinking camera work like this promotes: girls are here for your amusement.

Modifié par Em23, 09 avril 2010 - 02:39 .

[Chuvvy]

TheSeventhJedi wrote...

I don't think it's so much that it's inappropriate on a censorship level, but more inappropriate in an "it's just plain stupid for her to fight in that getup and have close-ups of her ass" level.

This. I'm fine with nudity. But when they do stupid stuff like ass close ups. It doesn't offend me it just makes. "Oh come on man. Really? You being serious right now? Okay I get it your a love interest,you don't need to beat me to death with it."

[Chuvvy]

Em23 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Em23 wrote...
It's not so much what she's wearing as how she is sexualised by the camera angles - read the article. Women get objectified by men too often as it is. We're not here for solely your entertainment and being confident does not mean wanting to pander to your sexual fantasies. I'm so sick of men thinking like that.

Then blame the camera and not the character. As a character, Miranda stands well on her own. The confidence is hers. The cinematography was a presentation choice made by the team responsible for that. To be honest, I caught few instances of this myself. I know because I was specifically looking for this sort of thing, being the man that wants his sexual fantasies pandered to.

I do blame the camera - I've nothing against Miranda as a character. So long as you're prepared to pander to your girlfriends sexual fantasies as well then great - fantasise away. I was once asked by a guy wearing racing car boxer shorts to put on some sexy underwear. That's the kind of behaviour I'm talking about and the kind of thinking camera work like this promotes: girls are here for your amusement.

What the **** are you talking about race car boxers are sexy as hell.

[wikkedjoker]

Conservatives in the gaming industry? Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? The thing that bothers me, i mean REALLY ****ing gets me in the quads, is this is probably the same guy (( the interviewer)) that plays GTA4 pays and ****s a hooker, than runs her over to get his money back. Or Just spends hours running people over because he can.



I HATE people like this.

ME2 is harmless, **** its borderline disappointing on the fan-service

[FlyingWalrus]

@Em23: The guy in your anecdote has bigger issues than sexism at hand, such as tact and basic respect. But if you knew how my relationship was, oh, I don't think you'd take issue with it. I have my kinks and she has hers, and we'll sometimes tease each other over it. Part of a good relationship is that you have to be able to kid around like that.

I don't take issue with the camerawork, for the most part. It's not as though the focus was on Miranda's butt the whole time you had any conversation with her (though I make jokes that that's probably how it should've been, seeing how much attention the Miranda fanboys give her rear). And knowing BioWare, I don't think they would be the sort of company to do this with that kind of thinking in mind. They probably just realized that they made an attractive character here and they wanted to show her well, as they did with all the characters in the game. I think she just gets as much attention as she does because of her design, in which case -- it worked. Both from her character's thinking, and from the designers' prospective. They wanted a character that commanded attention, and -- for better or for worse -- they made it in Miranda.

There's no doubt that most men like to admire the female form, perhaps no more than most women enjoy looking at a well-sculpted man. I don't think this is objectification, or at least not severe enough to be offended by it. All attraction has to start somewhere, and for most it is from vision first. As with everything else, there is a right and wrong way to go about it. In your example, being tactful or complimentary would have been the right way to go about it; telling you to change into something more revealing was not.

[wikkedjoker]

Em23 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Em23
wrote...
It's not so much what she's wearing as how she is
sexualised by the camera angles - read the article. Women get
objectified by men too often as it is. We're not here for solely your
entertainment and being confident does not mean wanting to pander to
your sexual fantasies. I'm so sick of men thinking like that.

Then
blame the camera and not the character. As a character, Miranda stands
well on her own. The confidence is hers. The cinematography was a
presentation choice made by the team responsible for that. To be honest,
I caught few instances of this myself. I know because I was
specifically looking for this sort of thing, being the man that wants
his sexual fantasies pandered to.

I do blame the
camera - I've nothing against Miranda as a character. So long as you're
prepared to pander to your girlfriends sexual fantasies as well then
great - fantasise away. I was once asked by a guy wearing racing car
boxer shorts to put on some sexy underwear. That's the kind of behaviour
I'm talking about and the kind of thinking camera work like this
promotes: girls are here for your amusement.

Okay I ****ing love people like you. Sycophant I believe is what they call it. Lets put things in to prospective shall we?

Let me get this right, Jake GyllenHAal can run around topless in a move, or even naked and get chicks all hot and bothered because of it, and this is A-OK. BUT the second a chick takes off hers, OH MY ****ING GOD, us sexist pig men are objectifying her, women are only things for there amusement. . . BLA BLA BLA BULL****. GIVE me a ****ing break.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Fact is we all objectify in our own way.

We as thinking animals believe ourselves to be above such depravity and any time a woman’s ass is shown or, she puts on tight clothing it’s OR there is a little TandA its objectifying. I take a look back at movies like X-men wolverines organ, and I remember a certan MALE actor running through the woods naked. . . Haw many MEN (( I mean straight men )) Wanted to see good old Hugh Jackman’s  ass. . .

But you see a topless man and no one thinks anything about it. But if a Chick its sexist. . . . Im sorry my friend, but saying its sexist is saying that women are below men.  If all of DC’s Male super hero’s can run around in tight clothing than why is it objectifying when women do it? Why can a guy go around with out a top on and a chick cant? I’m sorry, but women scream equal rights, and than **** when we give it to them. Your being treated as another man would.

I mean **** wasn’t 300 very objectifying to men. But did you see any men ****ing about it? NO, you know why. . . Because WE DON’T GIVE A FLYING ****.


REMEMBER THE MORE YOU KNOW THE MORE YOU GROW

Modifié par wikkedjoker, 09 avril 2010 - 03:27 .

[Ziggy]

FlyingWalrus wrote...



@Em23: The guy in your anecdote has bigger issues than sexism at hand, such as tact and basic respect. But if you knew how my relationship was, oh, I don't think you'd take issue with it. I have my kinks and she has hers, and we'll sometimes tease each other over it. Part of a good relationship is that you have to be able to kid around like that.

I don't take issue with the camerawork, for the most part. It's not as though the focus was on Miranda's butt the whole time you had any conversation with her (though I make jokes that that's probably how it should've been, seeing how much attention the Miranda fanboys give her rear). And knowing BioWare, I don't think they would be the sort of company to do this with that kind of thinking in mind. They probably just realized that they made an attractive character here and they wanted to show her well, as they did with all the characters in the game. I think she just gets as much attention as she does because of her design, in which case -- it worked. Both from her character's thinking, and from the designers' prospective. They wanted a character that commanded attention, and -- for better or for worse -- they made it in Miranda.

There's no doubt that most men like to admire the female form, perhaps no more than most women enjoy looking at a well-sculpted man. I don't think this is objectification, or at least not severe enough to be offended by it. All attraction has to start somewhere, and for most it is from vision first. As with everything else, there is a right and wrong way to go about it. In your example, being tactful or complimentary would have been the right way to go about it; telling you to change into something more revealing was not.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with kinkiness and playing out sexual fantasies or whatever so long as it's not just about one person. It's not that he asked me the wrong way or anything, I have a great body and no problem showing it off, but that he was selfish enough to think he didn't have to make an effort and that it was all about him and it's a way of thinking i've noticed again and again. I admire both male and female forms and agree attraction plays a vital role in initiating a romantic relationship, but not like this. There's already so much objectification of women and the first mass effect was really good on that front its a shame.

[wikkedjoker]

Em23 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Em23 wrote...
It's not so much what she's wearing as how she is sexualised by the camera angles - read the article. Women get objectified by men too often as it is. We're not here for solely your entertainment and being confident does not mean wanting to pander to your sexual fantasies. I'm so sick of men thinking like that.

Then blame the camera and not the character. As a character, Miranda stands well on her own. The confidence is hers. The cinematography was a presentation choice made by the team responsible for that. To be honest, I caught few instances of this myself. I know because I was specifically looking for this sort of thing, being the man that wants his sexual fantasies pandered to.

I do blame the camera - I've nothing against Miranda as a character. So long as you're prepared to pander to your girlfriends sexual fantasies as well then great - fantasise away. I was once asked by a guy wearing racing car boxer shorts to put on some sexy underwear. That's the kind of behaviour I'm talking about and the kind of thinking camera work like this promotes: girls are here for your amusement.

Hold on I missed something in my other rant. . . . Um just a question. . . its a small one. . . .did you by chance. . . I dont know . . . maybe ask him to put on something sexy. . . . No reason to get pisses at the poor dude. **** sounds more like he was trying to get the mood on than ****** you off.  it wasn't thought less your assumption of objectification was.
God damn it what’s  fair is fair, there was a FULL FRUNTAL topless Jacob, I ****ing want a topless Miranda.

Modifié par wikkedjoker, 09 avril 2010 - 03:24 .

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL. I meant crotch shots in a guy's case.

I have no problem with the outfight either tbh its just the camera focusing on it is not cool. Not cool at all. I shouldn't have to have it forced in my face so often. Then again. I suppose I expected better from BW. My fault for placing them on a pedestal.

Wait, did they ever do a Miranda crotch shot? I mean, I know men don't have breasts, but to compare breasts to genitals is...well, just uneven. I'd say Pecks are the closest equivalent to breasts there is, so as long as they show male ass and peck shots, we should be even.
Hell, I distinctly remember both Miranda & Shiala grabbing one of Shepard's pecks in ME2, so in all fairness, we should've gotten to see Garus, Jacob, or Thane do the same to femshep, am I right?

As for crotch shots...Yeah, doubt that's gonna happen...
You wanna see gratuitous shots of a man's crotch in Mass Effect, then you better get the PC Version and use nude mods, cause I doubt Bioware will ever do such a thing themselves.
Ah, good old PC Mods, where both sexes are equally objectified...

Modifié par Blk_Mage_Ctype, 09 avril 2010 - 03:25 .

[LiquidGrape]

wikkedjoker wrote...
*Snip*

Sir, you're making a scene.
Everything you say has already been covered.
Sexism is binary, objectification is a natural product of sexual drive (though the issue is how you express it) etc.
- The difference here is that you're obnoxious about it.

[Ziggy]

wikkedjoker wrote...

Em23 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Em23 wrote...

It's not so much what she's wearing as how she is sexualised by the camera angles - read the article. Women get objectified by men too often as it is. We're not here for solely your entertainment and being confident does not mean wanting to pander to your sexual fantasies. I'm so sick of men thinking like that.

Then blame the camera and not the character. As a character, Miranda stands well on her own. The confidence is hers. The cinematography was a presentation choice made by the team responsible for that. To be honest, I caught few instances of this myself. I know because I was specifically looking for this sort of thing, being the man that wants his sexual fantasies pandered to.

I do blame the camera - I've nothing against Miranda as a character. So long as you're prepared to pander to your girlfriends sexual fantasies as well then great - fantasise away. I was once asked by a guy wearing racing car boxer shorts to put on some sexy underwear. That's the kind of behaviour I'm talking about and the kind of thinking camera work like this promotes: girls are here for your amusement.

Hold on I missed something in my other rant. . . . Um just a question. . . its a small one. . . .did you by chance. . . I dont know . . . maybe ask him to put on something sexy. . . . No reason to get pisses at the poor dude. **** sounds more like he was trying to get the mood on than ****** you off. it wasn't thought less your assumption of objectification was.

God damn it what’s fair is fair, there was a FULL FRUNTAL topless Jacob, I ****ing want a topless Miranda.

You missed my post above yours. This is not exactly the place to go into details but I'm not unassertive and he was clearly only thinking about what he wanted and it didn't even occur to him that i might have my own wants too. Media depicting women as sexual objects makes men forget this.

[wikkedjoker]

LiquidGrape wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...
*Snip*

Sir, you're making a scene.
Everything you say has already been covered.
Sexism is binary, objectification is a natural product of sexual drive (though the issue is how you express it) etc.
- The difference here is that you're obnoxious about it.

I don’t believe so.
More so what is obnoxious is the double standards.
I made my post the way I did for a reason, the issue as a whole is over inflated, to the point of being ridicules, and only validates a ridicules response. Sorry if this annoyed you, but my points still stand.

The sad fact is sexism is only sexism when directed at women. This perplexes me to no end, because you see countless examples of male objectification, and its not wrong, no one cares and life moves on. Put the second you put a woman in place of a man than its objectification.

I used the example of 300, and I think this is a good example. See if it was women and not men in the roles, same outfits it would be considered soft core porn, but the role being men its okay.

How depraved has society come that, any woman shown in sexual manner is objectification but men shown in the same manner is not.   

[wikkedjoker]

Em23 wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...

Em23 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Em23 wrote...
It's not so much what she's wearing as how she is sexualised by the camera angles - read the article. Women get objectified by men too often as it is. We're not here for solely your entertainment and being confident does not mean wanting to pander to your sexual fantasies. I'm so sick of men thinking like that.

Then blame the camera and not the character. As a character, Miranda stands well on her own. The confidence is hers. The cinematography was a presentation choice made by the team responsible for that. To be honest, I caught few instances of this myself. I know because I was specifically looking for this sort of thing, being the man that wants his sexual fantasies pandered to.

I do blame the camera - I've nothing against Miranda as a character. So long as you're prepared to pander to your girlfriends sexual fantasies as well then great - fantasise away. I was once asked by a guy wearing racing car boxer shorts to put on some sexy underwear. That's the kind of behaviour I'm talking about and the kind of thinking camera work like this promotes: girls are here for your amusement.

Hold on I missed something in my other rant. . . . Um just a question. . . its a small one. . . .did you by chance. . . I dont know . . . maybe ask him to put on something sexy. . . . No reason to get pisses at the poor dude. **** sounds more like he was trying to get the mood on than ****** you off. it wasn't thought less your assumption of objectification was.
God damn it what’s fair is fair, there was a FULL FRUNTAL topless Jacob, I ****ing want a topless Miranda.

You missed my post above yours. This is not exactly the place to go into details but I'm not unassertive and he was clearly only thinking about what he wanted and it didn't even occur to him that i might have my own wants too. Media depicting women as sexual objects makes men forget this.

Sorry. . .


Hold on I missed something in my other rant. . . . Um just a question. . . its a small one. . . .did you by chance. . . I dont know . . . maybe ask him to put on something sexy. . . . No reason to get pisses at the poor dude. **** sounds more like he was trying to get the mood on than ****** you off.  it wasn't thought less your assumption of objectification was.

 
FULL FRUNTAL

This may not be the place it get into it, but you did bring it up. And I do believe there is something to be had at looking into this “point” of yours, I wont pry, but I do have a bit of civil opinion on it.

First off you believe that he was thinking only of himself. Now do you believe this because A) he really was only think of himself. OR due to the request you believe such based on your opinions of sexism, and men thinking with there dick and not there head.

I’ve been married for 4 years, and I’ll admit I can be thoughtless, from time to time I put  my wants and needs over that of my wife’s, **** happens, and most the time I don’t realize it, as our own person we know what we want, and wont know what someone else wants want until its bluntly put out there.  It’s not that way because of some underlining brain washing because of pop culture. It’s just thoughtlessness. People are selfish by nature, and only express there wants and needs by nature, men and woman both do this. We are what we are, Human. Though we don’t mean harm in our action it can and will happen, the road to hell is paved in good intentions after all.

Is the ass shot of Miranda objectifying. Sure, is the topless shot of Jacob objectifying yes. Is Jack near-topples a little disturbing because she can look like a man . . . Very.

   My point is this sexist objectification of woman is bull****, because it happens to men as much if not more, only no one care, hell I don’t care its just a valid argument point. Its only years of people deciding what’s morally right and what’s morally wrong, that have brought these views. As an artist, I see the human body for the human body. Yes I do find women attractive, (( DUA)) and yes I do like it when out of the blue my wife has on some sexy new underwear, or if I ask and she does it, or whatever the situation maybe. And I do “try” to return the favor, (( though there’s not much in the way of men’s sexy underwear lol))   The point is if everything’s to be considered equal, than women should be allowed to go out topless like any man can. Woman should be able to be shown topless like any man is on daytime TV. This is equality. 

[Ryzaki]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

Wait, did they ever do a Miranda crotch shot? I mean, I know men don't have breasts, but to compare breasts to genitals is...well, just uneven. I'd say Pecks are the closest equivalent to breasts there is, so as long as they show male ass and peck shots, we should be even.
Hell, I distinctly remember both Miranda & Shiala grabbing one of Shepard's pecks in ME2, so in all fairness, we should've gotten to see Garus, Jacob, or Thane do the same to femshep, am I right?

as long as Shep has the option to kick him in the nuts right after. Sure.

Breasts wouldn't be equivelant because a female walking around without a shirt is indecent exposure. A male doing the same is "eh whatever." So I'd compare it to the male butt.

As for crotch shots...Yeah, doubt that's gonna happen...
You wanna see gratuitous shots of a man's crotch in Mass Effect, then you better get the PC Version and use nude mods, cause I doubt Bioware will ever do such a thing themselves.
Ah, good old PC Mods, where both sexes are equally objectified...

Another reason to love DA

[FlyingWalrus]

Except, bro, I think men like to be the object of women's desires. So, wanted for our bodies? Hell yeah, what else matters? Typical male mentality there, 7:10.

[Ziggy]

wikkedjoker wrote...

Em23 wrote...

You missed my post above yours. This is not exactly the place to go into details but I'm not unassertive and he was clearly only thinking about what he wanted and it didn't even occur to him that i might have my own wants too. Media depicting women as sexual objects makes men forget this.

Sorry. . . 


Hold on I missed something in my other rant. . . . Um just a question. . . its a small one. . . .did you by chance. . . I dont know . . . maybe ask him to put on something sexy. . . . No reason to get pisses at the poor dude. **** sounds more like he was trying to get the mood on than ****** you off.  it wasn't thought less your assumption of objectification was. 

 
FULL FRUNTAL 

This may not be the place it get into it, but you did bring it up. And I do believe there is something to be had at looking into this “point” of yours, I wont pry, but I do have a bit of civil opinion on it. 

First off you believe that he was thinking only of himself. Now do you believe this because A) he really was only think of himself. OR due to the request you believe such based on your opinions of sexism, and men thinking with there dick and not there head. 

I’ve been married for 4 years, and I’ll admit I can be thoughtless, from time to time I put  my wants and needs over that of my wife’s, **** happens, and most the time I don’t realize it, as our own person we know what we want, and wont know what someone else wants want until its bluntly put out there.  It’s not that way because of some underlining brain washing because of pop culture. It’s just thoughtlessness. People are selfish by nature, and only express there wants and needs by nature, men and woman both do this. We are what we are, Human. Though we don’t mean harm in our action it can and will happen, the road to hell is paved in good intentions after all. 

Is the ass shot of Miranda objectifying. Sure, is the topless shot of Jacob objectifying yes. Is Jack near-topples a little disturbing because she can look like a man . . . Very. 

   My point is this sexist objectification of woman is bull****, because it happens to men as much if not more, only no one care, hell I don’t care its just a valid argument point. Its only years of people deciding what’s morally right and what’s morally wrong, that have brought these views. As an artist, I see the human body for the human body. Yes I do find women attractive, (( DUA)) and yes I do like it when out of the blue my wife has on some sexy new underwear, or if I ask and she does it, or whatever the situation maybe. And I do “try” to return the favor, (( though there’s not much in the way of men’s sexy underwear lol))   The point is if everything’s to be considered equal, than women should be allowed to go out topless like any man can. Woman should be able to be shown topless like any man is on daytime TV. This is equality.  

I agree: women should be able to go out topless just like men. The problem is, if I walk outside topless I get assaulted.
I'm not unreasonable, every relationship has give and take and I'm certainly not saying you shouldn't find women attractive.

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Except, bro, I think men like to be the object of women's desires. So, wanted for our bodies? Hell yeah, what else matters? Typical male mentality there, 7:10.

Women are more sexually objectified in the media than men and there's a evolutionary explanation for the origin of it: basic animal kingdom idea, one man can impregnate a large number of women so men evolved to want more sex while women to more carefully select their partners.

edit: also your own point about there not being much in the way of men’s sexy underwear.

Modifié par Em23, 09 avril 2010 - 04:29 .

[Ryzaki]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Except, bro, I think men like to be the object of women's desires. So, wanted for our bodies? Hell yeah, what else matters? Typical male mentality there, 7:10.

As do some women your point? 

*Doesn't stop one from being a criminal offense and the other isn't. <_<

*About the whole revealed chest with different genders.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 avril 2010 - 04:25 .

[FlyingWalrus]

Yeah, women are more sexually objectified in the media than men. That's because it sells. What sells will get more exposure, so on. There isn't much in the way of men's lingerie, no. Silk boxers is about he extent that it goes. That's because few men dig that fancy frilly crap, but it's out there for those who want it. There's a market for everything, after all.

Also, as a counterpoint to all the objectification of women in the media, let's have a look at all those Calvin Klein underwear ads, hm?

@Ryzaki: My point is--I wasn't talking to you. The fact remains that a LARGE number of men like to be the object of women's desires. Objectification is rarely offensive to men; on the contrary, many find it likable.

[Ryzaki]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Yeah, women are more sexually objectified in the media than men. That's because it sells. What sells will get more exposure, so on. There isn't much in the way of men's lingerie, no. Silk boxers is about he extent that it goes. That's because few men dig that fancy frilly crap, but it's out there for those who want it. There's a market for everything, after all.
Also, as a counterpoint to all the objectification of women in the media, let's have a look at all those Calvin Klein underwear ads, hm?
@Ryzaki: My point is--I wasn't talking to you. The fact remains that a LARGE number of men like to be the object of women's desires. Objectification is rarely offensive to men; on the contrary, many find it likable.

And you think women don't like to be the object of men's desires? 

Many women find it likable as well. The point isn't that she's objectified more than its shoved in your face. I have no problems with the outfit the camera constantly emphasizing it is irksome however.

[Starscream723]

I don't like how "fanservice" is used as a derogatory term.

"Oh no, they're serving the fans! Shame on them!"

With the absence of a dictionary entry, I'll turn to Wikipedia:

"Any gratuitous content included in some form of entertainment primarily to please a core group of fans is fan service."

Oh no, it's pleasing a group of fans. How terrible, those unfeeling gits, how dare they?

...wait a second, isn't the purpose of entertainment to please its fans?

But wait, it's "gratuitous"... so what?

Gratuitous: "Unnecessary or unwarranted; unjustified"

Breaking news... it's entertainment. It's not vital to life on earth, we don't need it to eat or breathe, and the world wouldn't end if video games suddenly stopped existing. Along with all other forms of entertainment, the whole damn thing is gratuitous.

Everything in the game is a design choice. They could have given her a stripey clown suit. They didn't. They made the character how she is, look how she does, and that's the character they invented, because that's how they wanted her. Feel free to invent your own stories with your own characters in. Miranda is theirs. And here's a shock: some people like her, some don't. This would be true HOWEVER they made her look.

As for camera angles, yep, there are a few that have Miranda's bottom right in frame. Some people like that, some don't. If you don't, then have no fear - there are several thousand other camera angles in the game that don't have Miranda's ass in them. I play as a male Shepard, so statistically speaking, his backside in tight shiny armour spends far FAR more time in the middle of my screen. Anybody complained about that?

Modifié par Starscream723, 09 avril 2010 - 05:02 .

[FlyingWalrus]

Did I say that, Ryzaki?

No. No I did not.

But clearly, more women have a problem with it than men do. In all my years I've never heard a man complain about a woman checking him out, not even when he should. (like, say, if he's married. Or otherwise committed.)

Women, on the other hand, are obviously more sensitive towards the notion. My point having been originally meant for another poster and not you.

I don't think it was 'shoved in our faces.' There were shots that emphasized the curve of Miranda's figure at times, but it's not as if the camera was zoomed in on her caboose constantly, the way you do make it sound.

[Ryzaki]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Did I say that, Ryzaki?
No. No I did not.
But clearly, more women have a problem with it than men do. In all my years I've never heard a man complain about a woman checking him out, not even when he should. (like, say, if he's married. Or otherwise committed.)
Women, on the other hand, are obviously more sensitive towards the notion. My point having been originally meant for another poster and not you.
I don't think it was 'shoved in our faces.' There were shots that emphasized the curve of Miranda's figure at times, but it's not as if the camera was zoomed in on her caboose constantly, the way you do make it sound.

Personally I think the defensiveness on women's part comes from the fact that men will constantly harass them. I've yet to see that happen with a male. (Not to mention groping). *Not saying that it doesn't but its far less often. One would be more defensive if words tended to lead to actions. Men have a lot less to fear on that respect. If you mean people complaining someone is looking at them yes that's a little much but complaing about someone constantly making lewd remarks when you've asked them to stop? You have every right to do so male or female.

Oh I'm not saying its always there. But frankly it irked me. *shrugs* I'm just saying I see where the author of the article is coming from and that its not just "feminist BS" .Though the author did kind of blow it out of proportion as did it was the OP complaining about complaining.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 avril 2010 - 05:26 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think it's safe to say that people these days will complain about anything. And since video games are generally seen as a kid thing in the big picture, this comes as no surprise. Let's not forget what happened about the romance scene in ME1.



Anywise, Miranda has her own personality as a character. I, for one, consider this very outcry a sign that she is in fact a "successful" character. In addition, I agree with just about everything Walrus said.

[Ryzaki]

Edit: Also wtf? They say the want to make this game PG-13 one minute and then claim to want a mature audience the other. You can't have it both was BW! >_>