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[sylvanaerie]

The only thing I will never do to Alistair again is marry him to Anora though its best all around for Ferelden on a personal level it freaks me out. The one playthrough I tried to arrange for my HNM to marry her it left my gut all twisted trying to arrange it. I have so much antipathy to Anora and her father I can't imagine inflicting either on Alistair. If I felt like that I can just imagine how Alistair would have felt and he's a freaking pixil person.

Damn immersive game...

[ejoslin]

I still remember that stunned disbelief I felt through the entire ending of my first playthrough. Alistair, Zevran, refusing the DR... wow. I cried and laughed so often. How often do you have not one, but two incredible men fall in love with you!

In all seriousness, my first playthrough brought out so many different emotions. I loved it so much.

Edit: I just had Alistair and Anora marry.  I felt bad for him at the coronation.  But I think they'll do ok!

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 avril 2010 - 12:48 .

[Emerald Melios]

Crixt wrote...

Yeah, there's a lot of potential sad endings. Just play as dwarf male and you'll be fine.

I think my City Elf did pretty well, maintaining a lesbian relationship with Leliana after the Blight, and making Shianni the first Bann of the Denerim Alienage.

[Master Shiori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Anyways, welcome to the club. The only virtual woman I practically and for all intents and purposes fell in love with, decided to leave with my PC's baby. And to make thigns worse, my PC had to feel her sadness via the ring she gave him....

 I am the one who needs a hug now... 

True and true.

With Alistair you can at least stay as his mistress.

Morrigan leaves no matter what.

I really love her romance, even though there's no happy ending to it.

[ejoslin]

Master Shiori wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Anyways, welcome to the club. The only virtual woman I practically and for all intents and purposes fell in love with, decided to leave with my PC's baby. And to make thigns worse, my PC had to feel her sadness via the ring she gave him....

 I am the one who needs a hug now... 

True and true.

With Alistair you can at least stay as his mistress.

Morrigan leaves no matter what.

I really love her romance, even though there's no happy ending to it.

With Zevran and Leliana, you can have them forever and ever, though.  So all is good for everyone!

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

Every time one of these threads comes up I always feel like I missed out by not making Alistair king on my first playthrough. He said to give the throne to Anora, so I did.

Heh, my experience exactly, and by the 2nd go-round I knew what was up.  At least it spared me the enduring fire of Alistair hatred that some players carry with them.  You know what they say about a woman scorned.  LOL

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...


With Zevran and Leliana, you can have them forever and ever, though.  So all is good for everyone!

You do love rubbing it in, don't you?

And it is obvious that one of those four are the only love that the PC could ever find in that crazy world, yes siree!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I get Alistair forever and ever. I don't make him king.

[aliastasia]

Sylvanaerie:
"Except if you want a "happy ever after" and make him king, harden him (Unless you made him king for the power trip) cause soft Alistair doesn't want to be on the throne"

err - I am not sure if you're saying I am doing something I am not supposed to, or whether you're expressing an opinion. Again - you can get Alistair on the throne if you have cunning at over 20 and you are a master coercer or whatever it's called in the game. I didn't harden Alistair, and I got him on the throne, and I got him to marry me by proposing to him at the landsmeet, through the persuade I expressed.

The happily ever after states he was a good king and that he doted on his queen.

Are you saying the above can't be done, or that it's not optimal gameplay?

/A

//Edit - To clarify: - playing HNF and Warrior. But I still didn't harden him to get on the throne and become queen as my player. What i was trying to convey is that he doesn't need the hardening in order to accept you as queen, all forum advice and stuff I'd read said that this was necessarry. If you have a low coercion level, then yes, hardening is needed. 

Modifié par aliastasia, 09 avril 2010 - 04:25 .

[sylvanaerie]

no just pointing out he is happier as a hardened king vs non-hardened Alistair is in the role. From his reactions I get the feeling Non hardened Alistair would rather stick his head in a car door and slam it a few times than be king. But its certainly possible to put non hardened Al on the throne, just you get a happier Al if you harden him first.

[Sabriana]

What Sylvanaerie means is:

An unhardened Alistair is very unhappy at being made king. He really doesn't want it, even though the HNF marries him. He will still be unhappy.

A hardened Alistair will stand up for himself, will make his own decisions, and is far more contend being a king.
In an RPG, there is no optimal game-play. It's all about choices.

Ninja'd

Modifié par Sabriana, 09 avril 2010 - 04:26 .

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

no just pointing out he is happier as a hardened king vs non-hardened Alistair is in the role. From his reactions I get the feeling Non hardened Alistair would rather stick his head in a car door and slam it a few times than be king. But its certainly possible to put non hardened Al on the throne, just you get a happier Al if you harden him first.

Yes, still not thrilled even when hardened, but happier and more importantly (IMO) more effective.

If you remain his mistress and make him king, in the post-coronation he says something like "I think I can tolerate it all as long as I have you."  (Edit:  This should also tell you how difficult it is for Alistair to break up with your PC, if he hasn't been hardened or if you don't take the dialogue options to convince him he can keep you.  He isn't doing what he wants, he's doing what he thinks he has to, and is heartbroken by it.)

The mistress ending is bittersweet to be sure, but still has its romantic appeal.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 avril 2010 - 04:49 .

[ejoslin]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...


With Zevran and Leliana, you can have them forever and ever, though.  So all is good for everyone!

You do love rubbing it in, don't you?

And it is obvious that one of those four are the only love that the PC could ever find in that crazy world, yes siree!

Well, neither Anders nor Nathanial seemed too interested in Awakening.  Besides!  It would be a whole nother expansion if there were MORE love interests!

I actually like the heartbreak of Alistair.  I think I'm sick that way.  But it really had such an impact on me -- even Aeris dying didn't hit me the same way!  

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...

Well, neither Anders nor Nathanial seemed too interested in Awakening.  Besides!  It would be a whole nother expansion if there were MORE love interests!

I meant that there might be someone agreeable that isn't among the top 100 deadliest in Thedas. Meh, I'm just a bad romantic.

I actually like the heartbreak of Alistair.  I think I'm sick that way.  But it really had such an impact on me -- even Aeris dying didn't hit me the same way!  

Nah, seems normal. The star crossed lovers thing.

[Chasseresse]

Awww, OP, been there too



My mage got the royal dump with the rest of the team watching, how humiliating. I had hardened him, but didn't realize at the time that there wasn't an easy "click me for mistress" dialogue choice and instead of picking the right ones for it, I picked all the hurt/angry/DIE ALISTAIR choices (ie the wrong ones, lol). Then it was a blur until the battle for Denerim started, with my PC sleeping with I think both Zev and Leli in camp (for once the ninja love wasn't refused), Morrigan being thrown out of the castle and poor Al destined to off himself in heroic fashion. Of course I did calm down and reload prior to the Landsmeet, picked better dialogue options and was able to get him to keep me on but that was the most emotional I had gotten over any game, ever.



I made my last HNF princess-consort mostly to carry it over into Awakenings and see for myself the royal reception when he finally showed up, but I think it's the last time I make a HNF that will marry him and I'm iffy on making him king anymore for that matter. My character before this, my DC rogue seemed MUCH happier with the two of them just running off to the Grey Wardens and leaving all the court business behind. The only downside was zero reference to Al in Awakenings until the very last epilogue card.

[SirOccam]

thegreateski wrote...

Instead Knight you shall recieve my Dwarf Noble's mocking laughter.

That's actually very helpful. Cheer up everyone! It's not all bad; at least we're not Dwarves! No matter what we lose, we'll always have that.

[sylvanaerie]

I still wanna put Teagan on the throne. I've given it a LOT of thought and see...

1. Boot Anora out the window of the tower Al locks her in.
2. Either feed Alistair to the Archdemon (Or keep him unhardened so being king is akin to the hives)
3. Find that bottle of poison Jowan used and use it on Eamon (Or get my lil buddy Zev to assassinate him)

Leaving Teagan as the only one who can take the throne. They sure as hell won't put Isolde or her mage son on the throne...its doable? right? Right?

And imagine the benefits of being the king's mistress...

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 09 avril 2010 - 04:56 .

[Gilsa]

Dragonairess wrote...

Yeah, a hug would be just shy of perfect right about now. 

While I'm sure Leliana is a fine lady to romance, my PC doesn't fancy her.  I doubt she does that adorable little squinty expression right before she lays down a kiss, either.  No, it is no use... my heart is permanently broken.

Thanks, guys.

*virtual hug*

My first game had Alistair walking out on me at Landsmeet. I honestly thought he would return at some point after he calmed down. I didn't get too far with Loghain before I stopped and wondered WTF was going on. So I reloaded and picked the opposite choice (I had picked Anora the first time) by making Alistair king this time around. Got quite a shock when Alistair broke up with me. I understood his reasons, but doing it in front of everyone was uncool. I was mad about this for several days, but I got over it. I wasn't mad at Alistair specifically because he's just a character, that's how he was written. I was mad at the writers for setting up the game this way, for pushing us into this horrible bottleneck that is Landsmeet and Dark Ritual. Their attitude is that the game could have been a lot darker had they chosen to go this way and they get that some people like happy escapism in the game, but that wasn't the product they were offering. Besides "there are other characters that you can romance if you want the happy ending," yadda yadda.

So from this point forward, I am merely suspicious of expansions and sequels. Even if they offer a dwarf romance, I will be extremely skeptical and start wondering what the catch is.

Totally get how you were caught off-guard. Hope it doesn't sting as much after a few days.

[Addai]

Chasseresse wrote...
 My character before this, my DC rogue seemed MUCH happier with the two of them just running off to the Grey Wardens and leaving all the court business behind. The only downside was zero reference to Al in Awakenings until the very last epilogue card.

I just can't put that cow Anora on the throne, certainly not as sole ruler.  It's not a happy thing for me to see Alistair forswear the throne for himself and his heirs.  It's his birthright and he makes a good king.  Even if he's not hardened, he's still far from the worst Ferelden can do.

[Sabriana]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I still wanna put Teagan on the throne. I've given it a LOT of thought and see...

1. Boot Anora out the window of the tower Al locks her in.
2. Either feed Alistair to the Archdemon (Or keep him unhardened so being king is akin to the hives)
3. Find that bottle of poison Jowan used and use it on Eamon (Or get my lil buddy Zev to assassinate him)

Leaving Teagan as the only one who can take the throne. They sure as hell won't put Isolde or her mage son on the throne...its doable? right? Right?

And imagine the benefits of being the king's mistress...

*pat-pats Sylvanaerie* There, there. Sure it is. Here, have a cookie.

[Carmen_Willow]

I felt the same pain when Alistair scorned me for the potential future fertile brood mare....but as I was a HNF, I understood completely. The politics of marriage and royalty would make his decision imperative. Look at Henry VIII and no male heir to the throne. This isn't modern romance everyone, this is feudal marriage. No one married for love, everyone married for land, title, gold, power and political gain...and an heir!! Alistair is only doing the right thing in his culture. I was still terribly depressed.



The next time around when I didn't have enough persuasion skills (I was a newbie at the game) and he wouldn't sleep with the witch....I was so mad at him that I let him die killing the archdemon.



The worst was when I spared Loghain, and he left....I felt so sad and off balance during the grand finale, I didn't think I would make it through.



I love this universe. What other virtual love interests could suck you in so deeply?

[CalJones]

Alistair romancers get seriously shafted. He either dumps you, or you have to make him sleep with Morrigan. (Still, that's marginally better than the Morrigan romancers get).

If you want the happy ending, it's Zev or Leli.

[ejoslin]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I still wanna put Teagan on the throne. I've given it a LOT of thought and see...

1. Boot Anora out the window of the tower Al locks her in.
2. Either feed Alistair to the Archdemon (Or keep him unhardened so being king is akin to the hives)
3. Find that bottle of poison Jowan used and use it on Eamon (Or get my lil buddy Zev to assassinate him)

Leaving Teagan as the only one who can take the throne. They sure as hell won't put Isolde or her mage son on the throne...its doable? right? Right?

And imagine the benefits of being the king's mistress...

You left out Fergus.  Teyrn of Highever would be more likely to get the throne.

[sylvanaerie]

ejoslin wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I still wanna put Teagan on the throne. I've given it a LOT of thought and see...

1. Boot Anora out the window of the tower Al locks her in.
2. Either feed Alistair to the Archdemon (Or keep him unhardened so being king is akin to the hives)
3. Find that bottle of poison Jowan used and use it on Eamon (Or get my lil buddy Zev to assassinate him)

Leaving Teagan as the only one who can take the throne. They sure as hell won't put Isolde or her mage son on the throne...its doable? right? Right?

And imagine the benefits of being the king's mistress...

You left out Fergus.  Teyrn of Highever would be more likely to get the throne.

But Fergus is dead...or soon will be....I could be Teryna of Highever too...

Nah on second thought Fergus reminds me too much of my OWN older brother, I can't hurt him.   DAMN you Ejoslin I'm not listening to your logic lalalalalala not listening....