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[ell46]

My first game I got dumped and never finished the game I was so angry.  All the play throughs after that I accepted Morrigans offer and used the Esc key so I didn't have to see any of it, but now I've got a problem.

In the current game I've hardened Alistair for the first time, expecting that at the Landsmeet I would make Anora Queen, BUT I didn't get the option it goes straight into Alistair accepting the throne and onto what I thought was going to be the "your dumped" scene.  This time I persuaded him to keep me around as his bit on the side what I want to know is what the epilogue says about this ending, does he marry someone or what?

At this point in time I'm not going to finish this game as I can't be bothered to fight my way through that lot for the umpteeth time for a rubbish ending.

[Sarah1281]

In order to avoid Alistair claiming that he will be King, there are a number of things you could do:

a) don't let him fight Loghain

be in a relationship with him

c) get him to agree to marry Anora prior to Landsmeet (you don't have to go through with it)

d) don't harden him

e) tell him you're supporting Anora

[SurelyForth]

ell46 wrote...

My first game I got dumped and never finished the game I was so angry.  All the play throughs after that I accepted Morrigans offer and used the Esc key so I didn't have to see any of it, but now I've got a problem.

In the current game I've hardened Alistair for the first time, expecting that at the Landsmeet I would make Anora Queen, BUT I didn't get the option it goes straight into Alistair accepting the throne and onto what I thought was going to be the "your dumped" scene.  This time I persuaded him to keep me around as his bit on the side what I want to know is what the epilogue says about this ending, does he marry someone or what?

At this point in time I'm not going to finish this game as I can't be bothered to fight my way through that lot for the umpteeth time for a rubbish ending.

So far (through Awakening), the game has made no mention of him marrying anyone if you put him on the throne alone.

be in a relationship with him

This only works for HNF who are in a relationship with him. If you do the other things that prevent him from accepting the throne (kill Loghain yourself, etc.) you're fine. But if he's in a position to declare himself he will if there is no chance that your PC could be queen.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 09 avril 2010 - 07:31 .

[Sarah1281]

This only works for HNF who are in a relationship with him. If you do the other things that prevent him from accepting the throne (kill Loghain yourself, etc.) you're fine. But if he's in a position to declare himself he will if there is no chance that your PC could be queen.

Really? I loaded my DCF in a relationship with him right before the Landsmeet and he wouldn't accept it. Maybe I had talked him into marrying Anora...

[Addai]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Oh man what a bunch of whiners... And this is all that stands between the Darkspawn and the end of the world, a bunch of heartbroken Wardens crying their hearts out and needing hugs

There has to be an "I'm so tough the darkspawn cry for their broodmothers when they see me coming" troll for every romance thread.  Welcome. 

[SurelyForth]

Sarah1281 wrote...

This only works for HNF who are in a relationship with him. If you do the other things that prevent him from accepting the throne (kill Loghain yourself, etc.) you're fine. But if he's in a position to declare himself he will if there is no chance that your PC could be queen.

Really? I loaded my DCF in a relationship with him right before the Landsmeet and he wouldn't accept it. Maybe I had talked him into marrying Anora...

Yep. If you harden him, don't arrange the marriage and let him execute Loghain, he'll take the throne if you're not a HNF who is in a relationship with him. I have a mage who went through it about five times (all in the name of research, of course).

Actually, I don't know why he wouldn't do it if you do arrange the marriage, because Anora won't marry him if he kills her father. If the game is going to go meta with the knowledge that the PC can convince Alistair to not break up, you would think it would go meta with that, as well.  

[Sarah1281]

Maybe it honestly doesn't occur to him that Loghain is her Duncan and so Anora doesn't want to marry the man who killed him since there's a good chance he'll die going into the Landsmeet and she still agrees to the marriage.

[CalJones]

Yes, my plan on my Dalish (knowing that she couldn't be queen) was to keep Alistair a warden. Told him I was supporting Anorah, which he seemed relieved about, but then I made the mistake of letting him duel Loghain and he promptly declared himself king.

Looks like you have to kill Loghain yourself if you want that ending.

[SurelyForth]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maybe it honestly doesn't occur to him that Loghain is her Duncan and so Anora doesn't want to marry the man who killed him since there's a good chance he'll die going into the Landsmeet and she still agrees to the marriage.

That's a good point. Alistair probably thinks she'll let anything pass if it means she keeps her throne.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maybe it honestly doesn't occur to him that Loghain is her Duncan and so Anora doesn't want to marry the man who killed him since there's a good chance he'll die going into the Landsmeet and she still agrees to the marriage.

And yet Anora will sell out her "Duncan" in nothing flat, accusing him before the Landsmeet of treason, if she thinks she'll get to keep her throne by doing so.  What did she think was going to happen?

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maybe it honestly doesn't occur to him that Loghain is her Duncan and so Anora doesn't want to marry the man who killed him since there's a good chance he'll die going into the Landsmeet and she still agrees to the marriage.

And yet Anora will sell out her "Duncan" in nothing flat, accusing him before the Landsmeet of treason, if she thinks she'll get to keep her throne by doing so.  What did she think was going to happen?

A little harsh, she does know that what he does is wrong and needs to be stopped, but she didn't want you to kill her father (what a [canine of the female persuasion]). That she shows emotion is here is held against her, as in other cases, her lack of it is paraded as a fault. Yes, she is a stoic but she still has emotions.

And yes, she never thinks of anything else than getting power for herself, that is why she wants to usurp her father, it has nothing to do with civil wars, blights and people suffering.

[SirOccam]

soignee wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Instead Knight you shall recieve my Dwarf Noble's mocking laughter.

That's actually very helpful. Cheer up everyone! It's not all bad; at least we're not Dwarves! No matter what we lose, we'll always have that.

Hey, feck you!

Dwarves are awesome. Suck my stone, elfboy.

'Twas a joke! Yeesh.

But seriously though I am very glad I'm not a Dwarf.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...
A little harsh, she does know that what he does is wrong and needs to be stopped, but she didn't want you to kill her father (what a [canine of the female persuasion]). That she shows emotion is here is held against her, as in other cases, her lack of it is paraded as a fault. Yes, she is a stoic but she still has emotions.

And yes, she never thinks of anything else than getting power for herself, that is why she wants to usurp her father, it has nothing to do with civil wars, blights and people suffering.

I can't quite tell if you're agreeing with me or sarcastically disagreeing.  But in case it's the latter: Iif Anora is so concerned about her father's actions, why does she support him if you don't sufficiently lather her bum at Eamon's?

I don't hold her emotion against her.  I just think it's awfully "convenient" and not especially moving given what has gone on under her watch.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 avril 2010 - 08:32 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Addai67 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Oh man what a bunch of whiners... And this is all that stands between the Darkspawn and the end of the world, a bunch of heartbroken Wardens crying their hearts out and needing hugs

There has to be an "I'm so tough the darkspawn cry for their broodmothers when they see me coming" troll for every romance thread.  Welcome. 

Thank you  I think I'll fit right in here. But I'm not so much a macho-troll as much as an anti-romance man

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

I can't quite tell if you're agreeing with me or sarcastically disagreeing.  But in case it's the latter: Iif Anora is so concerned about her father's actions, why does she support him if you don't sufficiently lather her bum at Eamon's?

I don't hold her emotion against her.  I just think it's awfully "convenient" and not especially moving given what has gone on under her watch.

I don't think her to be out to get power for herself, she loves her country and believes herself to be the one most apt to rule it. If she isn't sure you'll support her, surprise, she doesn't support you. She then chooses the side of her father, as she can be an influence there more than in your corner. Things are going down the toilet, and she sees herself as the one who can fix it.

And what is so convenient about her emotion?

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...
I don't think her to be out to get power for herself, she loves her country and believes herself to be the one most apt to rule it. If she isn't sure you'll support her, surprise, she doesn't support you. She then chooses the side of her father, as she can be an influence there more than in your corner.

Like she has "aptly ruled" and "been an influence" since Ostagar??  Or prior to Ostagar, for that matter, while her father was plotting against Cailan?

And what is so convenient about her emotion?

Well like I said, if it looks like it will win her the throne, she's all about how dad killed her husband and is ruining the country.  But she then wants to be pissy about you killing him, which is the standard punishment for treason.  So like I said, just what did she think was going to happen?  That she would beg for his life is understandable, that's not what I'm talking about, rather the whole idolizing his statue and not marrying because of him bit, or refusing to marry Alistair after his execution.  And people say that Alistair is whiny.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 avril 2010 - 09:20 .

[Sarah1281]

Refusing to marry the man who killed her father is perfectly understandable. If someone else does it she can get past it for the sake of Ferelden but marrying the murderer himself...that's kind of unreasonable to expect. Building a statue of him really isn't hurting anybody and I think her refusing to marry anyone if she doesn't have to in order to secure the throne is more about fearing that she'll be reduced to princess-consort while her new husband has all the power.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Refusing to marry the man who killed her father is perfectly understandable. If someone else does it she can get past it for the sake of Ferelden but marrying the murderer himself...that's kind of unreasonable to expect.

It's a political arrangement for the good of the country.  That's what she is supposedly working towards, right?  It's no more unreasonable to expect than to expect Alistair to marry Loghain's daughter, or even (as we constantly hear in these forums) to accept Loghain himself as a Grey Warden.

[Sarah1281]

Which is why she SHOULD do it but if she can't (and a non-hardened Alistair can't marry Loghain's daughter if he lives) then that's actually one of her more humanizing traits as she knows she stands a good chance of losing everything but just can't go through with it.

[Cenwyn]

Dragonairess wrote...

Spoiler alert!!!!!!!!

Wow.  I wasn't expecting this reaction!

So I launch Alistair onto the throne thinking my loyal PC would cozy up next to him, and she got shafted!!!!!!  I know there was a choice for her to announce that she would rule beside him, but... that wasn't her style.  So anticlimatic!

Seriously.  When Alistair decides that he needs to find a fertile wife to join him at the throne that is it forever?  How sad!  I can't stand it! 

I had the same thing happen on my first game and I actually cried I was so upset. Rat bastard! I was new to DA so I did not think to save the game right at the Landsmeet so I could back and replay it. Just to spite him and make him pay I did the ultimate sacrifice on myself. He made me cry so I made him cry or at least be sad anyway. 

I got smart and made myself queen (noble origin) on the second game and then kept anora on the throne on the third game so Alistair and I could be traveling Grey Wardens together. Take heart sweets at least you can do a new game with different ending though. That was my consolation.

[Epona222]

My first game was with a female city elf, I got dumped by Alistair after the Landsmeet and I was so upset I didn't finish the game with that character. I actually cried. My (real life) husband asked me what was wrong, and I didn't have the heart to tell him I was upset about being dumped from a fictional relationship with a fictional character in a computer game - that's would have sounded a bit odd really (he isn't into computer games let alone RPGs), but it was nevertheless a very poignant and upsetting moment.

Modifié par Epona222, 09 avril 2010 - 10:47 .

[Sesshomaru47]

He's no mean about it though. Sorry we can't be together dear you can't make babies with me so you're no good sod off. I was then then then . Way to let a girl down easy, sheesh.

[Sarah1281]

If the game is going to go meta with the knowledge that the PC can convince Alistair to not break up, you would think it would go meta with that, as well.

Maybe it's not so much metagaming as Alistair's realization that if the PC isn't a HN he won't be able to be with them officially no matter what (and he has to be talked into having a mistress because he doesn't like the idea) but if it hadn't been for the lack of heirs - which non-GW dont' know about anyway - then a Cousland would be the perfect political match and if he's in love anyway...if it weren't for him worrying about his duty to have an heir, I'm willing to bet he would have proposed.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 09 avril 2010 - 10:59 .

[ell46]

Thanks everyone, lots of tips and ideas here maybe I will play the game out after all, as this is one ending I haven't gone for yet.

One thing that really P's me off is that you go through hell and back for these people and then you aren't good enough to be Queen!!! makes you fell like saying 'sod em' and walking away.

Modifié par ell46, 09 avril 2010 - 11:38 .

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Which is why she SHOULD do it but if she can't (and a non-hardened Alistair can't marry Loghain's daughter if he lives) then that's actually one of her more humanizing traits as she knows she stands a good chance of losing everything but just can't go through with it.

She won't go through with it unless the PC confirms it in front of the Landsmeet, either, so this doesn't really fly.  Basically, until she is cornered by having marriage publicly put upon her as condition of keeping her throne, she doesn't want to share power with anyone.  (edit:  Though it's true that her throne is on the line after Alistair executes Loghain, too- so I'll concede that point.)

You know, they say that sociopaths are sometimes not only high functioning, but are the most successful among us- the leaders of business and government.  And I would have to put Anora down as one of them.  Here's another example.  She never believed that Loghain would kill her, as she will admit to you if she turns on you in the LM, and she knows Howe is dead.  Yet she will turn you over to Cauthrien without missing a beat, despite knowing that it will lead to your death and possibly torture as well.   That's Anora in a nutshell.

Modifié par Addai67, 10 avril 2010 - 12:05 .