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[sylvanaerie]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
I don't think her to be out to get power for herself, she loves her country and believes herself to be the one most apt to rule it. If she isn't sure you'll support her, surprise, she doesn't support you. She then chooses the side of her father, as she can be an influence there more than in your corner.

Like she has "aptly ruled" and "been an influence" since Ostagar??  Or prior to Ostagar, for that matter, while her father was plotting against Cailan?

And what is so convenient about her emotion?

Well like I said, if it looks like it will win her the throne, she's all about how dad killed her husband and is ruining the country.  But she then wants to be pissy about you killing him, which is the standard punishment for treason.  So like I said, just what did she think was going to happen?  That she would beg for his life is understandable, that's not what I'm talking about, rather the whole idolizing his statue and not marrying because of him bit, or refusing to marry Alistair after his execution.  And people say that Alistair is whiny.

And considering the situation in the Alienage with Vaughan, she really has her finger on the pulse of ruling eh?  I allowed her to keep the throne ONCE on my Dalish playthrough cause my Dalish didn't want Alistair all caught up in that political BS that he hated.  So once she got land for her people she and Al rode off together to be GWs and have real fun and adventures and left the crap to her.  But as a ruler alone, she's actually pretty craptastic.  She does some good but overall Alistair hardened and solo does a better job than Anora alone.

[Sarah1281]

She won't go through with it unless the PC confirms it in front of the Landsmeet, either, so this doesn't really fly.

This is after Eamon announces that Alistair's going to be King and completely ignores the deal first (which I KNOW I told him about) and she even says as much or as Alistair's calling for her father's execution. I don't think she's a sociopath (she does love her father even if she is willing to throw him under a bus, after all) but she is ruthless enough to be a successul dwarven politician, that's for sure.

Yet she will turn you over to Cauthrien without missing a beat, despite knowing that it will lead to your death and possibly torture as well. 

She didn't intend to leave you there, I don't think, but this way she gets the opportunity to arrange your rescue which should indebt you to her and also fits in with her pretending her life is in danger. She does seem to want to leave Alistair there, though, which Eamon calls her on.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 10 avril 2010 - 12:10 .

[LadyDamodred]

Yeah, after the prison thing, my character felt no debt to her even if we were rescued, especially if she turns on you. It's more like 'YOU ****! YOU LYING ****, I'MA KILL YOU!"

[Sarah1281]

Then that was obviously a miscalculation on her part.

[LadyDamodred]

Yeah, just a little bit. XD

[thegreateski]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Oh man what a bunch of whiners... And this is all that stands between the Darkspawn and the end of the world, a bunch of heartbroken Wardens crying their hearts out and needing hugs

Great minds and all that sod.

Sometimes I forget that this is an RPG and not a dating game.

[Thalorin1919]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
I don't think her to be out to get power for herself, she loves her country and believes herself to be the one most apt to rule it. If she isn't sure you'll support her, surprise, she doesn't support you. She then chooses the side of her father, as she can be an influence there more than in your corner.

Like she has "aptly ruled" and "been an influence" since Ostagar??  Or prior to Ostagar, for that matter, while her father was plotting against Cailan?

And what is so convenient about her emotion?

Well like I said, if it looks like it will win her the throne, she's all about how dad killed her husband and is ruining the country.  But she then wants to be pissy about you killing him, which is the standard punishment for treason.  So like I said, just what did she think was going to happen?  That she would beg for his life is understandable, that's not what I'm talking about, rather the whole idolizing his statue and not marrying because of him bit, or refusing to marry Alistair after his execution.  And people say that Alistair is whiny.

And considering the situation in the Alienage with Vaughan, she really has her finger on the pulse of ruling eh?  I allowed her to keep the throne ONCE on my Dalish playthrough cause my Dalish didn't want Alistair all caught up in that political BS that he hated.  So once she got land for her people she and Al rode off together to be GWs and have real fun and adventures and left the crap to her.  But as a ruler alone, she's actually pretty craptastic.  She does some good but overall Alistair hardened and solo does a better job than Anora alone.

Have to agree. Eamon said that Anora was a 'capable administrator' for Cailan's lands. But as I said, for Cailans lands. When he leaves for Ostagar, thats when it shows she truly cannot rule by herself. Especially when Loghain comes in and just pushes her aside. Plus I dont understand her at all, she would betray her father, but wouldnt allow for his execution? "You cant do this! My father might've made some mistakes!" I wanted to pull a Commander Sheperd and hit her in the mouth when she said that. He frickin almost ruined Ferelden.

Plus Alistair is just better all around, especially hardened, which I assume MOST people do when they plan to make him King. You earn the loyalty and popularity of your people by ruling fair and firm, and being just charming in general. Thats what it says about Alistair in the epilogue, a good king, spends alot of time in court, and very popular with the people. Anora can rule, but she doesnt earn the popularity quiet like Alistair does, and she's mean to the elves.

And sticking them together is such a bad idea. Marrying a guy to a woman whom's father he hates, and her father wanted him dead and killed his brother. Thats just asking for it.

[Elessara]

So you can't roleplay your warden as a human being (or elf or dwarf) that has actual feelings and emotional responses? You must be a robot with only one thought in your head, "Destroy darkspawn! Destroy darkspawn! Destroy darkspawn!" Yeah ok.

If relationships weren't supposed to have an impact on the game then they wouldn't have put them in. And saying that the people who enjoy that aspect of the game just want a dating sim is completely unfair and rather insulting.

If you look at Thedas ... hell no one is that focused on duty to the point of completely ignoring their emotional responses.

[Addai]

thegreateski wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Oh man what a bunch of whiners... And this is all that stands between the Darkspawn and the end of the world, a bunch of heartbroken Wardens crying their hearts out and needing hugs

Great minds and all that sod.

Sometimes I forget that this is an RPG and not a dating game.

Or perhaps you forget that it's a hack-and-slash MMO?  Oh wait...

[ejoslin]

thegreateski wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Oh man what a bunch of whiners... And this is all that stands between the Darkspawn and the end of the world, a bunch of heartbroken Wardens crying their hearts out and needing hugs

Great minds and all that sod.

Sometimes I forget that this is an RPG and not a dating game.

Hmmmm, you know, there are a lot of games out there that DON'T have romances. Lots of us like the romances.  If you don't, you have lots of other options!

[Sarah1281]

If you look at Thedas ... hell no one is that focused on duty to the point of completely ignoring their emotional responses.

Not even Sten, though he certainly tries.

[Axekix]

When will you ladies learn. The "shy guy" shtick is just an act... he had an Anora/fem warden threesome scoped out before you left Ostagar.

[LadyDamodred]

Oh god! *dies* The expression is too perfect.

[sylvanaerie]

Axekix wrote...

When will you ladies learn. The "shy guy" shtick is just an act... he had an Anora/fem warden threesome scoped out before you left Ostagar.

He's so freakin' cute...!  Adorably funny pic!

[Sarah1281]

It would appear that even knowing his nefarious plan doesn't deter people...Alistair really is THAT good...

[Emerald Melios]

Axekix wrote...

When will you ladies learn. The "shy guy" shtick is just an act... he had an Anora/fem warden threesome scoped out before you left Ostagar.

Bioware needs to get on that for DLC. Or at least the hat and necklace......

[Merilsell]

*shrug*



I never had problems with the Alistair romance. Maybe I was lucky enough to pick a Cousland at my first playthrough. Maybe I just knew how to play the cards right at my second and the following ones



Fact is I had to reload to even SEE the breakup-scene once xD

[thegreateski]

Hmmmm, you know, there are a lot of games out there that DON'T have romances. Lots of us like the romances.  If you don't, you have lots of other options!

Or perhaps you forget that it's a hack-and-slash MMO?  Oh wait...

I'm so confused . . . why does everyone always take what I say negatively?

It was a compliment . . .

[Addai]

thegreateski wrote...
I'm so confused . . . why does everyone always take what I say negatively?

It was a compliment . . .

Ok... you did say "great minds and all that" to a poster who was calling the people posting here a bunch of whiners.

[Addai]

That Alistair poster is the funniest thing I've ever seen tonight.

[MrBoomba]

Axekix wrote...

When will you ladies learn. The "shy guy" shtick is just an act... he had an Anora/fem warden threesome scoped out before you left Ostagar.

Omg, the lawlz, possibly the best pic I have ever seen of DA, I salute you sir!

[Miri1984]

thegreateski wrote...

Hmmmm, you know, there are a lot of games out there that DON'T have romances. Lots of us like the romances.  If you don't, you have lots of other options!

Or perhaps you forget that it's a hack-and-slash MMO?  Oh wait...

I'm so confused . . . why does everyone always take what I say negatively?

It was a compliment . . .

Much as the English teacher inside me shudders - in this case, emoticons are your friend.

[Xandurpein]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Have to agree. Eamon said that Anora was a 'capable administrator' for Cailan's lands. But as I said, for Cailans lands. When he leaves for Ostagar, thats when it shows she truly cannot rule by herself. Especially when Loghain comes in and just pushes her aside. Plus I dont understand her at all, she would betray her father, but wouldnt allow for his execution? "You cant do this! My father might've made some mistakes!" I wanted to pull a Commander Sheperd and hit her in the mouth when she said that. He frickin almost ruined Ferelden.

It's kind of funny. Everyone hates Anora for being cold and logical and having no emotions. Yet when she drops the logical thinking and let's her emotions take over, because she cannot bear to see her own father killed, whatever he had done, then people hate her even more.

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Plus Alistair is just better all around, especially hardened, which I assume MOST people do when they plan to make him King. You earn the loyalty and popularity of your people by ruling fair and firm, and being just charming in general. Thats what it says about Alistair in the epilogue, a good king, spends alot of time in court, and very popular with the people. Anora can rule, but she doesnt earn the popularity quiet like Alistair does, and she's mean to the elves.

And sticking them together is such a bad idea. Marrying a guy to a woman whom's father he hates, and her father wanted him dead and killed his brother. Thats just asking for it.

The end text of the game if you marry Alistair and Anora is pretty convincing evidence that the two do manage to get a working relationship if they are married. Overall it seems to be a very good outcome for Fereldan. It may be hard on Alistair privatly, but such is the fate of Kings and Queens anyway. In the real world a royal marriage was about politics and not happy-ever-aftering.

Who ultmatly is the best ruler, Alistair, Anora, a Cousland or any combination of two of them is a matter of personal opinion. It depends a lot on your knowledge and view on politics, law and human relationship. Saying that Alistair is good King because a hardened alistair is 'fair but firm' is really saying nothing. I could argue that the same goes for Anora and then we'd discover that we argue about what we mean with the words 'fair' and 'firm' and it's all back to opinions anyway. The only truth we have is the outcome in end panels, according to which both Anora and a hardened Alistair end up decent as rulers, and yet again the balance will be all about personal opinion in how we interpret the differences. There is no one real truth to this question, just opinions.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 10 avril 2010 - 09:31 .

[CalJones]

I work in recruitment and often have to persuade a candidate that it would be a good idea to consider a job in somewhere like, say, Shanghai. My boss taught me that the majority of men will make decisions based on logic, whereas the majority of women will make decisions based on emotion. It's possible to reason with a man and change his mind, but once a woman's mind is made up, there is little you can do to change it. I initially dismissed this as some sort of sexist claptrap, but over the four years I've worked for the company, I've found it to be true,

So, Xandurpein, you can make your best logical argument, but you will do nothing to sway an Anora- and Loghain- hating Alistair fangirl. And if it's an Alistair fangirl with custom hair, you might as well beat your head against the wall until your brains will leak out through your ears.

Just sayin'.

Modifié par CalJones, 10 avril 2010 - 10:13 .

[master-fluff]

Axekix wrote...

When will you ladies learn. The "shy guy" shtick is just an act... he had an Anora/fem warden threesome scoped out before you left Ostagar.

This is just how I've always thought Al should walk into town when he has me as a fem mage in my Chasind robes, Leliana in Dalish or Duster leathers and Morrigan in her usual bosomtastic outfit.  I think we could make a ton of gold