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[demongirl420]

i have a question. why does the back of my collectors edition say "The full version of Mass Effect 2".......huh.....anybody see why im pissed. because of the lies

[xMakaze]

xMakaze wrote...



Err... They said that the CN card wouldn't make all dlc free. it would give you a chance to download the free content (like weapons, armour, maybe even a few missions). Kasumi and the alternate appearance packs are Premium content. That means they cost money. So quit your whining because theyve already explained how it was going to be.

[Darth Drago]

Heavensrun wrote...

Yes, that -is- what we're saying, and that -is- something you should advocate as a consumer, because the only way companies are going to continue to develop awesome games for us is if they can make MONEY off of it. Anything that hurts the developers hurts the gamers.

If the devs don't make money off used game sales, that's one less reason for EA to -fund- a sequel, or development of further free content.

The cerberus network is not a 15$ sale. It is a new purchase incentive. Because honestly, if you love a game and want to support the developers, you should be buying new anyway.

-That is so wrong on so many levels…

Not everyone can afford to spend $60 on new games and seeing how the quality of games today has declined why would they want to. If game companies actually made high quality games maybe they wouldn’t be hurting so badly in the used game market. But no, a lot of companies release crapware games and expect the brainless masses to buy them. Its also these brainless masses that go out to buy new games to play it a few times then decide they don’t want it anymore so they go and sell it (at huge loss to them no less) to a used game store.

If you want to support your favorite game company then quit buying them new at these used game stores. Quit getting sucked into the store in the first place by their marketing deals with the exclusive game content if you buy the game at their store. Use that used game store to find the old games you might be after and cant find anywhere else new.

The Cerberus Network Card is nothing but a marketing scam to get more money out of console gamers. Something that EA excels at by the way. On X-Box Live all downloads are bound to our gamertag and accounts. If something costs money through the marketplace just who the hell do you think is getting the money? Certainly it couldn’t be the people who made that content now couldn’t it? If someone buys a used game and then buys any of the downloads they are still giving money to the game developer. As for the Cerberus Network Card’s use on the PC gamers I cant comment on since I don’t use my PC for many games.

[JKoopman]

Heavensrun wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Pathetisad wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

*sigh*

Go to the Xbox Marketplace. Look under ME2. Now look next to the Cerberus Network download. Notice the price? 1200 MS points. Simply because you got it bundled for free with your retail purchase of ME2 doesn't change the fact that the CN is a paid service. If BioWare is going to charge people 1200 MS points ($15) to gain access to it's content, then that content better damn well be worth 1200 MS points. At present, it IS NOT. Not by a long shot.

*sigh*

CN was bundled free with all copies of Mass Effect 2. 
EA/Bioware make no money from preowned games, so it's understandable that they would charge so much for those people to access the free  DLC (kasumi and the alt. appearance pack are available thorugh xbox live w/o it)

So basically, you're saying that since BioWare makes no money off of second-hand sales then they're justified in massively overcharging for lackluster content just to milk every cent they can off these "freeloading" preowned players? I'm sure BioWare would be happy to agree with you, but as a consumer that's not something you should be advocating.

And it doesn't exactly disprove anything I said.

Yes, that -is- what we're saying, and that -is- something you should advocate as a consumer, because the only way companies are going to continue to develop awesome games for us is if they can make MONEY off of it.  Anything that hurts the developers hurts the gamers.

If the devs don't make money off used game sales, that's one less reason for EA to -fund- a sequel, or development of further free content.

The cerberus network is not a 15$ sale.  It is a new purchase incentive.  Because honestly, if you love a game and want to support the developers, you should be buying new anyway.

And I'm not saying that BioWare can't charge for DLC to recoup losses from second-hand sales. I'm saying that BioWare should charge a fair price for the content they release. If BioWare is going to release a 1200 MS point purchasing incentive then they better damn well make 1200 MS points of incentive content to go with it. At best, the content they've released is worth a fraction of that.

Betheda could do the exact same thing as BioWare with their expansions (release them free or even discounted to retail owners and charge full price for all others) and I wouldn't complain. Why? Because the content is worth the price. 800 MS points for The Pitt or Broken Steel is fair and I wouldn't feel cheated for paying it. An incentive should be just that; worthwhile content that you feel priviledged to have access to, not worthless garbage content that you couldn't care less about but "oh well, at least it's free".

You're advocating for developers to overcharge for garbage content just to bilk money from consumers, and no that IS NOT something that you as a gamer should be advocating.

Modifié par JKoopman, 09 avril 2010 - 06:22 .

[FrostGun]

What a Twist wrote...

You sir Winz the internetzz!!! lol

[FrostGun]

JKoopman wrote...

And I'm not saying that BioWare can't charge for DLC to recoup losses from second-hand sales. I'm saying that BioWare should charge a fair price for the content they release. If BioWare is going to release a 1200 MS point purchasing incentive then they better damn well make 1200 MS points of incentive content to go with it. At best, the content they've released is worth a fraction of that.

Betheda could do the exact same thing as BioWare with their expansions (release them free or even discounted to retail owners and charge full price for all others) and I wouldn't complain. Why? Because the content is worth the price. 800 MS points for The Pitt or Broken Steel is fair and I wouldn't feel cheated for paying it. An incentive should be just that; worthwhile content that you feel priviledged to have, not worthless garbage content that you couldn't care less about but "oh well, at least it's free".

You're advocating for developers to overcharge for garbage content just to bilk money from consumers, and no that IS NOT something that you as a gamer should be advocating.

And who are you to judge a 'fair price'? you have no idea the effort it took to make this DLC possible. all you know is how much is in your wallet.

[JKoopman]

FrostGun wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

And I'm not saying that BioWare can't charge for DLC to recoup losses from second-hand sales. I'm saying that BioWare should charge a fair price for the content they release. If BioWare is going to release a 1200 MS point purchasing incentive then they better damn well make 1200 MS points of incentive content to go with it. At best, the content they've released is worth a fraction of that.

Betheda could do the exact same thing as BioWare with their expansions (release them free or even discounted to retail owners and charge full price for all others) and I wouldn't complain. Why? Because the content is worth the price. 800 MS points for The Pitt or Broken Steel is fair and I wouldn't feel cheated for paying it. An incentive should be just that; worthwhile content that you feel priviledged to have, not worthless garbage content that you couldn't care less about but "oh well, at least it's free".

You're advocating for developers to overcharge for garbage content just to bilk money from consumers, and no that IS NOT something that you as a gamer should be advocating.

And who are you to judge a 'fair price'? you have no idea the effort it took to make this DLC possible. all you know is how much is in your wallet.

I know a fair price when I see it because I've been paying for DLC for years and I know what's out there. When a single 800 MS point expansion from Bethesda has more content than all of the 1200 MS point incentive content provided by the Cerberus Network combined with plenty to spare, that's not a fair price.

Modifié par JKoopman, 09 avril 2010 - 06:25 .

[FrostGun]

JKoopman wrote...

I know a fair price when I see it because I've been paying for DLC for years and I know what's out there. When a single 800 MS point expansion from Bethesda has more content than all of the 1200 MS point incentive content provided by the Cerberus Network combined with plenty to spare, that's not a fair price.

This is not going to be the last DLC free/premium coming from Bioware.. Lets not forget that..

Look at it as you paid 1200 credits for a service not a product/goods. Or if you bought the game new, you got the service for free..

[xMakaze]

JKoopman wrote...

FrostGun wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

And I'm not saying that BioWare can't charge for DLC to recoup losses from second-hand sales. I'm saying that BioWare should charge a fair price for the content they release. If BioWare is going to release a 1200 MS point purchasing incentive then they better damn well make 1200 MS points of incentive content to go with it. At best, the content they've released is worth a fraction of that.

Betheda could do the exact same thing as BioWare with their expansions (release them free or even discounted to retail owners and charge full price for all others) and I wouldn't complain. Why? Because the content is worth the price. 800 MS points for The Pitt or Broken Steel is fair and I wouldn't feel cheated for paying it. An incentive should be just that; worthwhile content that you feel priviledged to have, not worthless garbage content that you couldn't care less about but "oh well, at least it's free".

You're advocating for developers to overcharge for garbage content just to bilk money from consumers, and no that IS NOT something that you as a gamer should be advocating.

And who are you to judge a 'fair price'? you have no idea the effort it took to make this DLC possible. all you know is how much is in your wallet.

I know a fair price when I see it because I've been paying for DLC for years and I know what's out there. When a single 800 MS point expansion from Bethesda has more content than all of the 1200 MS point incentive content provided by the Cerberus Network combined with plenty to spare, that's not a fair price.

Lets look over the size of Kasumi compared to most. Its length is short yes, but its size being 3/4 of a gig means its basically close to 100% New and Original content. Alot of DLC use old models in a new way to make long dlc but nothings really original. I honestly think Kasumi is the most worthwhile dlc i have brought in a while, because it is an entire new bit of DLC, new models and just about new everything. But then again, reading what others are saying I'm pretty sure im the only one that looks at it that way mainly because i like to do a bit of 3D modeling and programming on the side. So really instead of looking them as just another bit of the game i see them as a peice of art.

Ahwell, you can complain how much you like, some people will love the dlc others will not.

And as stated by the post above, this isn't going to be the last peice of DLC to be on the Cerberus Network.

Modifié par xMakaze, 09 avril 2010 - 06:33 .

[burncykle]

So, let me get this straight. You are complaining about the price of a service which you received for free anyways? And are advocating for "wrongdoings" to which you have not fallen victim?



Have you tried sueing the government for Agent Orange yet? Cause you are full of LOL WIN!

[Kusy]

Nobody ever sayed that CN will grant you all dlc free, never even once. Even more, it was sayed that it will not. You sir enjoy making a fool out of yourself don't you?

[JKoopman]

FrostGun wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

I know a fair price when I see it because I've been paying for DLC for years and I know what's out there. When a single 800 MS point expansion from Bethesda has more content than all of the 1200 MS point incentive content provided by the Cerberus Network combined with plenty to spare, that's not a fair price.

This is not going to be the last DLC free/premium coming from Bioware.. Lets not forget that..

Look at it as you paid 1200 credits for a service not a product/goods. Or if you bought the game new, you got the service for free..

If BioWare releases worthwhile content on the Cerberus Network down the road that brings it's value in line then obviously my opinion of it will change. But as it stands, promises of future content don't have much monetary value; especially when BioWare has an annoying track record of making promises and never delivering on them (like how they promised regular DLC updates for ME1 and all we got was Bring Down the Sky after 4 months and then the worthless piece of garbage that was Pinnacle Station a year and a half later).

Modifié par JKoopman, 09 avril 2010 - 06:42 .

[Reinholder]

JKoopman wrote...

FrostGun wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

I know a fair price when I see it because I've been paying for DLC for years and I know what's out there. When a single 800 MS point expansion from Bethesda has more content than all of the 1200 MS point incentive content provided by the Cerberus Network combined with plenty to spare, that's not a fair price.

This is not going to be the last DLC free/premium coming from Bioware.. Lets not forget that..

Look at it as you paid 1200 credits for a service not a product/goods. Or if you bought the game new, you got the service for free..

If BioWare releases worthwhile content on the Cerberus Network down the road that brings it's value in line then obviously my opinion of it will change. But as it stands, promises of future content don't have much monetary value; especially when BioWare has an annoying track record of making promises and never delivering on them (like how they promised regular DLC updates for ME1 and all we got was Bring Down the Sky after 4 months and then the worthless piece of garbage that was Pinnacle Station a year and a half later).

Is your life really so bereft of outside world activity that it matters?

[JKoopman]

Reinholder wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

FrostGun wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

I know a fair price when I see it because I've been paying for DLC for years and I know what's out there. When a single 800 MS point expansion from Bethesda has more content than all of the 1200 MS point incentive content provided by the Cerberus Network combined with plenty to spare, that's not a fair price.

This is not going to be the last DLC free/premium coming from Bioware.. Lets not forget that..

Look at it as you paid 1200 credits for a service not a product/goods. Or if you bought the game new, you got the service for free..

If BioWare releases worthwhile content on the Cerberus Network down the road that brings it's value in line then obviously my opinion of it will change. But as it stands, promises of future content don't have much monetary value; especially when BioWare has an annoying track record of making promises and never delivering on them (like how they promised regular DLC updates for ME1 and all we got was Bring Down the Sky after 4 months and then the worthless piece of garbage that was Pinnacle Station a year and a half later).

Is your life really so bereft of outside world activity that it matters?

Is your life really so bereft of outside world activity that it mattering to me matters to you?

[FrostGun]

JKoopman wrote...

If BioWare releases worthwhile content on the Cerberus Network down the road that brings it's value in line then obviously my opinion of it will change. But as it stands, promises of future content don't have much monetary value; especially when BioWare has an annoying track record of making promises and never delivering on them (like how they promised regular DLC updates for ME1 and all we got was Bring Down the Sky after 4 months and then the worthless piece of garbage that was Pinnacle Station a year and a half later).

What is worthwhile is subjective. For instance i think they already have. Kasumi was worth every penny. It wasnt some rehashed mission. It was actually something new.. an i applaud them for that..

If you dont like it you dont like it then.. Did you purchase the game new and got CN or paid $15? for it?

If you got it free with a new game then i dont see your right to complain.. if you paid $15 for it... then well, lesson learnt. next time dont buy services until you know you will get your $ worth.

[Reinholder]

JKoopman wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

FrostGun wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

I know a fair price when I see it because I've been paying for DLC for years and I know what's out there. When a single 800 MS point expansion from Bethesda has more content than all of the 1200 MS point incentive content provided by the Cerberus Network combined with plenty to spare, that's not a fair price.

This is not going to be the last DLC free/premium coming from Bioware.. Lets not forget that..

Look at it as you paid 1200 credits for a service not a product/goods. Or if you bought the game new, you got the service for free..

If BioWare releases worthwhile content on the Cerberus Network down the road that brings it's value in line then obviously my opinion of it will change. But as it stands, promises of future content don't have much monetary value; especially when BioWare has an annoying track record of making promises and never delivering on them (like how they promised regular DLC updates for ME1 and all we got was Bring Down the Sky after 4 months and then the worthless piece of garbage that was Pinnacle Station a year and a half later).

Is your life really so bereft of outside world activity that it matters?

Is your life really so bereft of outside world activity that it mattering to me matters to you?

do you know what bereft means? And my response is that it simply amazes me that people can't just enjoy the wait. anticipation is half the fun of a game. Seriously. take it from someone who's waiting for war for cybertron to show up.

[FrostGun]

Reinholder wrote...

do you know what bereft means? And my response is that it simply amazes me that people can't just enjoy the wait. anticipation is half the fun of a game. Seriously. take it from someone who's waiting for war for cybertron to show up.

Lol i was going to comment on that but decided not to...

to hijack this thread.. stop following me arrgh.. !!! *peace*

Modifié par FrostGun, 09 avril 2010 - 06:50 .

[JKoopman]

Reinholder wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

FrostGun wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

I know a fair price when I see it because I've been paying for DLC for years and I know what's out there. When a single 800 MS point expansion from Bethesda has more content than all of the 1200 MS point incentive content provided by the Cerberus Network combined with plenty to spare, that's not a fair price.

This is not going to be the last DLC free/premium coming from Bioware.. Lets not forget that..

Look at it as you paid 1200 credits for a service not a product/goods. Or if you bought the game new, you got the service for free..

If BioWare releases worthwhile content on the Cerberus Network down the road that brings it's value in line then obviously my opinion of it will change. But as it stands, promises of future content don't have much monetary value; especially when BioWare has an annoying track record of making promises and never delivering on them (like how they promised regular DLC updates for ME1 and all we got was Bring Down the Sky after 4 months and then the worthless piece of garbage that was Pinnacle Station a year and a half later).

Is your life really so bereft of outside world activity that it matters?

Is your life really so bereft of outside world activity that it mattering to me matters to you?

do you know what bereft means? And my response is that it simply amazes me that people can't just enjoy the wait. anticipation is half the fun of a game. Seriously. take it from someone who's waiting for war for cybertron to show up.

I don't think you do, as my ability to go outside and enjoy life has absolutely no bearing on the current or potential future value of the Cerberus Network.

Now if you don't wish to participate in the discussion, kindly stay out of it.

[Reinholder]

FrostGun wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

do you know what bereft means? And my response is that it simply amazes me that people can't just enjoy the wait. anticipation is half the fun of a game. Seriously. take it from someone who's waiting for war for cybertron to show up.

Lol i was going to comment on that but decided not to...

to hijack this thread.. stop following me arrgh.. !!! *peace*

MY LIFE FOR YOU!!!!!

[Reinholder]

JKoopman wrote...
I don't think you do, as my ability to go outside and enjoy life has absolutely no bearing on the current or potential future value of the Cerberus Network.

Now if you don't wish to participate in the discussion, kindly stay out of it.

I have a degree in English, on top of being a Briton. Your turn.

[xMakaze]

Reinholder wrote...

JKoopman wrote...
I don't think you do, as my ability to go outside and enjoy life has absolutely no bearing on the current or potential future value of the Cerberus Network.

Now if you don't wish to participate in the discussion, kindly stay out of it.

I have a degree in English, on top of being a Briton. Your turn.

Now we wait untill shes done with google.

[Kusy]

xMakaze wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

JKoopman wrote...
I don't think you do, as my ability to go outside and enjoy life has absolutely no bearing on the current or potential future value of the Cerberus Network.

Now if you don't wish to participate in the discussion, kindly stay out of it.

I have a degree in English, on top of being a Briton. Your turn.

Now we wait untill shes done with google.

Damn Anglo-Saxons! Begone!

[Reinholder]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

xMakaze wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

JKoopman wrote...
I don't think you do, as my ability to go outside and enjoy life has absolutely no bearing on the current or potential future value of the Cerberus Network.

Now if you don't wish to participate in the discussion, kindly stay out of it.

I have a degree in English, on top of being a Briton. Your turn.

Now we wait untill shes done with google.

Damn Anglo-Saxons! Begone!

OH NOES! THEY BE EVERYWHAR!

[JKoopman]

Reinholder wrote...

JKoopman wrote...
I don't think you do, as my ability to go outside and enjoy life has absolutely no bearing on the current or potential future value of the Cerberus Network.

Now if you don't wish to participate in the discussion, kindly stay out of it.

I have a degree in English, on top of being a Briton. Your turn.

Congratulations. Now kindly explain how it relates to the discussion at hand.

[Kusy]

JKoopman wrote...

Reinholder wrote...

JKoopman wrote...
I don't think you do, as my ability to go outside and enjoy life has absolutely no bearing on the current or potential future value of the Cerberus Network.

Now if you don't wish to participate in the discussion, kindly stay out of it.

I have a degree in English, on top of being a Briton. Your turn.

Congratulations. Now kindly explain how it relates to the discussion at hand.

At hand? It doesn't! Only at foot... and form certain angles.