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[AM50]

I understand your anger. And I know what you mean. Its extremely frustrating and sad that people spam their links everywhere. But the giant auction thread is kinda fun. Its typically just a random discussion about nothing with funny pictures. Its a fun little distraction and everyone is civil on there as well.

[AM50]

DalishRanger wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
This isn't a spam fest where you post your referral link even in serious, unrelated topics. You don't post your referral link in a topic where some forumer is talking about his sick relative. 

Indeed. Someone spammed my fan art topic last night, and while it's been slow there for a few days and the post made it bump back up towards the top of the Community Creations section, I was NOT at all pleased. It's one thing to make topics/group discussions specifically for posting token links/help people get tokens, but a whole 'nother thing to spam unrelated topics with it.

I remember that too. makenzieshep topic about a sick relative got spammed and that pissed me off big time.

[Vandal1331]

The only real problem I have with how this was done is the spaming. I think the twitter challenges are a cool idea, but like many others, because of work and other responsibilities I'm not able to check when their posted until it's usually too late. I've tried to win some, but that's the way it goes. I'm not going to bad mouth people who use the recourses available to them (ie: followers on other sites and the like) and are net savy, but it would have been nice if there were other ways to get tokens for the rest of us. Some people have said quizes about game lore and things like that would have been cool, or maybe points for achievements to reward thouse who play the heck out their games. I just think this played in the favor of the minority not the majority.

[badjezus007]

Vandal1331 wrote...

The only real problem I have with how this was done is the spaming. I think the twitter challenges are a cool idea, but like many others, because of work and other responsibilities I'm not able to check when their posted until it's usually too late. I've tried to win some, but that's the way it goes. I'm not going to bad mouth people who use the recourses available to them (ie: followers on other sites and the like) and are net savy, but it would have been nice if there were other ways to get tokens for the rest of us. Some people have said quizes about game lore and things like that would have been cool, or maybe points for achievements to reward thouse who play the heck out their games. I just think this played in the favor of the minority not the majority.

I agree with you 100%. Good post!

[HookersandBlow]

End of Line!

[Statulos]

Matdeception wrote...
I tell her, "It's for a good cause, babe." before trying to kiss her. With a Bemused expression, she pushed me back and said, "I don't kiss guys who look like Cousin It." (A shot at my growing beard).

So yeah, no love for me until this is over. Sad times.

Grow a decent beard then.

[exccw]

I feel the referral links only turned it into somewhat of a popularity/net savvy contest, so it ended up creating desperation in everyone for tokens to catch up to the token count and actually bid on something. If they had stricter guidelines, or more options for tokens on a balanced method of gaining them (like with the aforementioned quizzes) I'm sure it would have been much more organized. The amount of tokens given out for challenges etc. also seem to be a problem. People would have had a much better time and feedback if the auctions were close, and everyone was within say 100 tokens of each other with each a chance to bid. Not having anything close to 14-16k just drops you into despair in bothering with the auction at all, rather than feeling it was close, and having a shot at something else.

[cynicalsaint1]

exccw wrote...

I feel the referral links only turned it into somewhat of a popularity/net savvy contest, so it ended up creating desperation in everyone for tokens to catch up to the token count and actually bid on something. If they had stricter guidelines, or more options for tokens on a balanced method of gaining them (like with the aforementioned quizzes) I'm sure it would have been much more organized. The amount of tokens given out for challenges etc. also seem to be a problem. People would have had a much better time and feedback if the auctions were close, and everyone was within say 100 tokens of each other with each a chance to bid. Not having anything close to 14-16k just drops you into despair in bothering with the auction at all, rather than feeling it was close, and having a shot at something else.

Only if you're looking for the top prizes.
I grabbed a poster pack for 9336, that's nowhere near 14-16k, and I got the larger part of my refferal tokens since Tuesday, and this was without spamming threads, mostly I just kept posting my link in the auction thread once every few pages, I never once just randomly tossed my link into a thread.

If I had been seriously trying to get refferal clicks through the weekend I probably would have been a couple thousand tokens ahead of that.

But really whats the point of whining that you didn't have enough to go for one of the very few top prizes. That's what makes them the top prizes, they are only a couple to give away. Of course you're not going to have a shot if you didn't seriously try to get a ton referrals.

[Kepha]

I'm up to 9200 tokens primarily just from winning Twitter challenges (only got 820 referral tokens), so the 12-14k totals don't suprise me. If someone was digilent both with twitter challenges and with referrals its definately possible. I'm just hoping I'm finally at a point where I can get a hat or something.

Modifié par Kepha, 09 avril 2010 - 05:33 .

[Mooner911]

- fade-in Shepard materializing on comm. platform -

TIM: I sent EDI the BB-IFF coordinates, Shepard. What are you waiting for?

Shep: You told me this mission needed the cooperation of the whole galactic community to succeed. We need everyone to be involved to take down the Reaper base. Everyone should get a cut of the spoils. So far there's just me, Miri, and Jake.

TIM: Where the hell's Kaiden and Ash?

Shep: They're out in the colonies... and I haven't had time to contact the Asari, Krogans, Drells, Bat...

TIM: Kaiden and Ash might as well be dead then. And screw the damn aliens! We need to get that booty NOW! For HUMANITY!

Shep: Well, actually, not all humanity will get a cut either. You stuck that fine print in that wipes out dividends for a good chunk of humans. You know, the Fornax and Omni Tool clauses.

TIM: Everyone should subscribe to Fornax and EVERYONE should have an Omni Tool. It just makes sense!

Shep: Aren't you the publisher of For...

TIM: You've been talking to Anderson again, haven't you? Christ! I'm out of scotch again. KELLY!

Shep: So tell me again how this mission benefits the entire galactic community?

TIM: {puff}

Shep: (folds arms across chest)

- cut to close-up of TIM's steely eyes -

[Emperor Mars]

Good concept, poor execution. That sums up my feelings towards the Bazaar.

The auction and token system is a good idea...but using us as marketing monkeys via the links was not the way I would have gone. Example--I would have capped the number of clicks per day say the orignal 50=500 plus another 200 in 1 token clicks. I would have had the link go to a page that said something like "Thanks for supporting USER NAME" Then have. BTW while your here check out our sweet games, not just link right to the "BUY OUR GAMES!!! " site. This was my primary issue with the event.

The twitter challenge was a pretty good idea, but of course that required people to get twitter....
I would have given more points for registration of games. 
Of course if I ran bioware I would do things differently...for example, I feel the Bioware office in canada needs a bronze statue of a reaper, bigger than the wolf and orc outside of blizzard.

[cynicalsaint1]

Emperor Mars wrote...

Good concept, poor execution. That sums up my feelings towards the Bazaar.

The auction and token system is a good idea...but using us as marketing monkeys via the links was not the way I would have gone. Example--I would have capped the number of clicks per day say the orignal 50=500 plus another 200 in 1 token clicks. I would have had the link go to a page that said something like "Thanks for supporting USER NAME" Then have. BTW while your here check out our sweet games, not just link right to the "BUY OUR GAMES!!! " site. This was my primary issue with the event.

The twitter challenge was a pretty good idea, but of course that required people to get twitter....
I would have given more points for registration of games. 
Of course if I ran bioware I would do things differently...for example, I feel the Bioware office in canada needs a bronze statue of a reaper, bigger than the wolf and orc outside of blizzard.

More points for registering games would be pointless, because those are points everyone has. You don't even need to buy the game for those points, if you don't have the game you can do a little quiz instead. No purchase necessary and all that.

If you put a hard cap for referrals, again, everyone would end up with the same amount of tokens. You have to have uncapped methods in order for these auctions to work. Now could they have come up with something better than the referral links? Probably. I can agree with that for sure.

[Therigan]

I'm sure Bioware got alot of attention on their games dur to our referrals

[Matdeception]

Figure if each participant spammed 200 different people. And 20% of those peoples bought a game. That would be 40 people at 40-60 dollars there.



1600 to 2400 dollars profit per person, give or take.



Figure a good 20k people participated in this event, even though there was no doubt far, far, more.



32,000,000. to 48,000,000. Profit. Cost of this event? Probably 200k all said and done.



Bioware no doubt scored huge profits from this. Good for them.

[cynicalsaint1]

Matdeception wrote...

Figure if each participant spammed 200 different people. And 20% of those peoples bought a game. That would be 40 people at 40-60 dollars there.

1600 to 2400 dollars profit per person, give or take.

Figure a good 20k people participated in this event, even though there was no doubt far, far, more.

32,000,000. to 48,000,000. Profit. Cost of this event? Probably 200k all said and done.

Bioware no doubt scored huge profits from this. Good for them.

I think you're vastly over-estimating how many people will buy anything based off of a refferal link click. If they get anything from this, its the fact that it advertises the BioWare name in general.

Modifié par cynicalsaint1, 09 avril 2010 - 06:17 .

[exccw]

cynicalsaint1 wrote...

exccw wrote...

I feel the referral links only turned it into somewhat of a popularity/net savvy contest, so it ended up creating desperation in everyone for tokens to catch up to the token count and actually bid on something. If they had stricter guidelines, or more options for tokens on a balanced method of gaining them (like with the aforementioned quizzes) I'm sure it would have been much more organized. The amount of tokens given out for challenges etc. also seem to be a problem. People would have had a much better time and feedback if the auctions were close, and everyone was within say 100 tokens of each other with each a chance to bid. Not having anything close to 14-16k just drops you into despair in bothering with the auction at all, rather than feeling it was close, and having a shot at something else.

Only if you're looking for the top prizes.
I grabbed a poster pack for 9336, that's nowhere near 14-16k, and I got the larger part of my refferal tokens since Tuesday, and this was without spamming threads, mostly I just kept posting my link in the auction thread once every few pages, I never once just randomly tossed my link into a thread.

If I had been seriously trying to get refferal clicks through the weekend I probably would have been a couple thousand tokens ahead of that.

But really whats the point of whining that you didn't have enough to go for one of the very few top prizes. That's what makes them the top prizes, they are only a couple to give away. Of course you're not going to have a shot if you didn't seriously try to get a ton referrals.

No, I have over 9k, but I was speaking as a general summary of what people have been posting about, and my analysis of why it is so. And I'm not going for the top prizes, but have been trying to get referral clicks. Almost have enough to get those books! If you really thought I was whining, I would be much more vocal than that, trust me. But I'm sure you enjoy attacking anyone that seems to be complaining.

[Matdeception]

cynicalsaint1 wrote...

Matdeception wrote...

Figure if each participant spammed 200 different people. And 20% of those peoples bought a game. That would be 40 people at 40-60 dollars there.

1600 to 2400 dollars profit per person, give or take.

Figure a good 20k people participated in this event, even though there was no doubt far, far, more.

32,000,000. to 48,000,000. Profit. Cost of this event? Probably 200k all said and done.

Bioware no doubt scored huge profits from this. Good for them.

I think you're vastly over-estimating how many people will buy anything based off of a refferal link click. If they get anything from this, its the fact that it advertises the BioWare name in general.

It is likely and overestimation of the items bought per person participating. But I don't doubt they made millions off this.

[TheLostGenius]

Yea i didn't really get what the auction was until a couple days in. That was several days of not getting the 500+ referral points. That said a lot people got really into this, and is a lot of fun. Would be nice if everyone that had a high level of involvement could win a little prize. For the big ones, like the computers, maybe they should have given those away randomly, and people could put up their tokens for the chance to win. (something like 7.5k, so most forum people would have a chance, instead of no chance).

[HighGround]

I thought I was doing good when I hit 8k, then I saw the first computer sold for 16k+ and I thought, heh, theres no way I'm going to win anything.

[quikstrike]

take your anger out on the current bazaar challenge! lol

[delete_guest]

quikstrike wrote...

take your anger out on the current bazaar challenge! lol

Thats what im doing

[cynicalsaint1]

exccw wrote...

No, I have over 9k, but I was speaking as a general summary of what people have been posting about, and my analysis of why it is so. And I'm not going for the top prizes, but have been trying to get referral clicks. Almost have enough to get those books! If you really thought I was whining, I would be much more vocal than that, trust me. But I'm sure you enjoy attacking anyone that seems to be complaining.

The problem is that these perceptions are skewed towards the extremes - bids over 12k have been rather rare, and only on the top tier prizes. The second problem is that you have a large number of people competing for a limited number of prizes. Of course not everyone's going to win. I mean am I wrong in thinking that's not really a problem?

What do you expect this to be? Free stuff for everyone? I mean are people seroiusly surprised by the realization that 412 is a lot less than the number of people partcipating?

And then accusing anyone winning of cheating, or exploiting, and calling BioWare names for running the contest in the first place. It just sounds like being a sore loser to me.

[Outamyhead]

Kepha wrote...

I'm up to 9200 tokens primarily just from winning Twitter challenges (only got 820 referral tokens), so the 12-14k totals don't suprise me. If someone was digilent both with twitter challenges and with referrals its definately possible. I'm just hoping I'm finally at a point where I can get a hat or something.

Yeah but people spammed the heck out of the twitter as well with multiple replies to the same challenge, to increase the odds of winning some tokens, some of us try to stay honest and do a good deed in turn for the same, some people are not so honest and don't return the favour, and spam a heck of a lot to get as many points as possible, it's a very one sided auction, I'm still under 7k after doing the survey's trying my hardest on the twitter with one reply to each challenge, and clicking peoples links in the hopes of  having the favour returned.

I don't mind as the people with 14k don't sleep, and have been at this since last week.

I wouldn't mind so much if I could use the tokens to actually purchase something, but the likelyhood of that is slim to none (going by the rules), and going by the token spending in the auction I should only need 6000 to get a copy of ME...but alas.

Modifié par Outamyhead, 09 avril 2010 - 06:43 .

[Borothir]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

p.s, to those honest, friendly and polite people who are real fans of BioWare and enjoy this site. Who have either been on this site for a while or are newcomers with good intentions, I salute you for being able to have fun with the auction without wanting to go on a killing rampage. Good luck, and I hope you guys win more great things before it finishes. 

That's considering any real BW fans actually won anything in the first place. I feel your pain and am also somewhat disgusted with the way people can actually have 14K and above in tokens.

[bleachedout]

great...more people with 13k tokens....I'll never win...