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scorptatious wrote...

Tali probably won't cut off from Shepard considering her name change. (and possible romance)

Can't really think of a reason for Garrus to leave, he quit C-sec and Archangel is considered dead in Omega, so he probably shouldn't go back there.

Miranda and Jacob, considering they are cerberus ops, probably won't leave either.

Mordin would proabably head back to Omega to help with the clinic.

Zaeed will definitely leave considering the mission's over and he should be payed.

Thane will probably spend his last days with his son considering the assasination he did back on Illium was to be his last.

Grunt will probably go and help Wrex (if he's alive) and the Urdnot clan. But won't break ties with Shepard.

Samara will continue her Justicar duties.

Jack, I don't know. As far as I know she has no other place to go.

Legion will probably stay with Shepard to help against the Reapers.

Kasumi, I don't know anything about considering I haven't downloaded the DLC yet. (damn credit card, or chit considering it's Mass Effect. XD)


Jacob and Miri are not part of Cerberus anymore in my game, and Samara said that if I need help I can call upon her at any time and Joshua Shepard and mordin are good friends. Shepard is like Grunts father and Grunt has alot of resepct for him. Kasumi might return in ME3 regradless of DLC because her and Shep become good friends, even giving Shepard a pet name.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

scorptatious wrote...

Tali probably won't cut off from Shepard considering her name change. (and possible romance)

Can't really think of a reason for Garrus to leave, he quit C-sec and Archangel is considered dead in Omega, so he probably shouldn't go back there.

Miranda and Jacob, considering they are cerberus ops, probably won't leave either.

Mordin would proabably head back to Omega to help with the clinic.

Zaeed will definitely leave considering the mission's over and he should be payed.

Thane will probably spend his last days with his son considering the assasination he did back on Illium was to be his last.

Grunt will probably go and help Wrex (if he's alive) and the Urdnot clan. But won't break ties with Shepard.

Samara will continue her Justicar duties.

Jack, I don't know. As far as I know she has no other place to go.

Legion will probably stay with Shepard to help against the Reapers.

Kasumi, I don't know anything about considering I haven't downloaded the DLC yet. (damn credit card, or chit considering it's Mass Effect. XD)


Jacob and Miri are not part of Cerberus anymore in my game, and Samara said that if I need help I can call upon her at any time and Joshua Shepard and mordin are good friends. Shepard is like Grunts father and Grunt has alot of resepct for him. Kasumi might return in ME3 regradless of DLC because her and Shep become good friends, even giving Shepard a pet name.


Huh, don't remember Miranda and Jacob saying they'd quit. When do they say that?

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Dear god no. Temporary characters are the bane of JRPGs and I have no desire to see that repeated in ME3.
If you're with me, you're with me to stay damnit.


Agreed. At least the core ME2 squad + Liara, Kaiden/Ashley; possibly depending on your actions in ME2. Obviously, ME2 squadies may be dead. I mean, I hope that interactions with Ashley and Kaiden go substantially differently. I.E. if you picked Ashley, hey, you don't get Kaiden's dialog without an import where he lived (the cameo is pretty much the same on Horizon). Ditto for the ME2 squad, heck and the crew. If I saved Ken and Gabby in ME2, I want to hear Ken and Gabby byplay in ME3. If I got one or both killed, no snarky back and forth in the engine room.

For gameplay, replace dead squad members with Cerberus or Alliance/Citadel personel with similar skill sets. The real point of the specialists in the suicide mission was their cutscene power (in my opinion at least).

In a perfect world, I would hope that new characters would be as engaging as (some of; ymmv) the previous games' holdovers.

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scorptatious wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

scorptatious wrote...

Tali probably won't cut off from Shepard considering her name change. (and possible romance)

Can't really think of a reason for Garrus to leave, he quit C-sec and Archangel is considered dead in Omega, so he probably shouldn't go back there.

Miranda and Jacob, considering they are cerberus ops, probably won't leave either.

Mordin would proabably head back to Omega to help with the clinic.

Zaeed will definitely leave considering the mission's over and he should be payed.

Thane will probably spend his last days with his son considering the assasination he did back on Illium was to be his last.

Grunt will probably go and help Wrex (if he's alive) and the Urdnot clan. But won't break ties with Shepard.

Samara will continue her Justicar duties.

Jack, I don't know. As far as I know she has no other place to go.

Legion will probably stay with Shepard to help against the Reapers.

Kasumi, I don't know anything about considering I haven't downloaded the DLC yet. (damn credit card, or chit considering it's Mass Effect. XD)


Jacob and Miri are not part of Cerberus anymore in my game, and Samara said that if I need help I can call upon her at any time and Joshua Shepard and mordin are good friends. Shepard is like Grunts father and Grunt has alot of resepct for him. Kasumi might return in ME3 regradless of DLC because her and Shep become good friends, even giving Shepard a pet name.


Huh, don't remember Miranda and Jacob saying they'd quit. When do they say that?


Bring Miri with you to the human-reaper and destory the base. She gives TIM the big F U and quits.

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i figure every squaddie that survives2 should be available in 3 for squad. anyone who died simply wont be recruitable. basically they put everyone that survied into the squad for three, and we might have to recruit liara and ash kaidan. so they write a continuation for everyone and if they died then that character isnt avaiable in 3 and there's no replaccement squad members.



i think it would require more to give shep a new team and still try to continue writing backstories for old members. your writing more for more characters.



new squad plus backround+continuation of old squad drama vs.old squadmates and just continuation of their stories and no new people to develope.

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 I don't see a reason why Shepard's "Dirty Dozen" should not return for ME3. The hate  for DLC I can't figure out but thats a diffrent topic. They all have there place on Normandy and besides the mission not finished. Plus theres no reason to get rid of the brightest, toughest, and deadliest people in the galaxy.

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I hope you have to just work with who has survived. Automatically you have 4 people: Liara, Virmire survivor, and the two that are required at minimum for Shepard to survive. No others. That would make your choices mean something.

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Oh please Op it does make sense if they could stick 2 fanboy icons from ME 1 in ME 2 which had no real point at all in being in the game they better make sure the ME 2 squad mates are in ME 3 if not you will find out what a real flame war is all about

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Sand King wrote...

 I don't see a reason why Shepard's "Dirty Dozen" should not return for ME3. The hate  for DLC I can't figure out but thats a diffrent topic. They all have there place on Normandy and besides the mission not finished. Plus theres no reason to get rid of the brightest, toughest, and deadliest people in the galaxy.


It's cause they don't wanna pay for it but they also don't want crappy content. And one can not have both. Simple as that. As far as I am concerned, Kasumi probably should have been worth $5 and it would have been just fine, $7 was an bit over, but it wasn't bad at the same time.


Personally I don't mind DLC. If bioware wants to keep it coming, let it come. I just hope they don't waste our time with low quality or rushed DLC.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 10 avril 2010 - 05:24 .


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Generally speaking, ME squadmates barely affect the plot - why waste resources developing an entirely new cast and hire new VO's when we already have potentially 14+ surviving characters from both games?

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I present to you the destruction of OP's argument:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/1716597

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Without reading the thread, I'll just say that I sincerely hope the ME2 squad does NOT return as recruitable squad mates.



The whole reason that BW put forth for not having the ME1 crew in ME2 was so that they could be in ME3.



If the ME2 crew is all going to be returning in ME3 then what the point in the ridiculous story progressions given the the ME1 crew and what was the point of them not being in ME2?



Since we have already been robbed of a second chapter for these original characters I hope BW does not attempt to invest the time and resources developing content for all these potentially dead characters and inevitably taking away those resources from development for the original characters and their roles in ME3.



If the entire reason for them not being in ME2 was so they could be in ME3 I hope BW comes through on that explanation instead of it all having just been a big lie to soothe over the ME1 fans.

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Nozybidaj wrote...
The whole reason that BW put forth for not having the ME1 crew in ME2 was so that they could be in ME3.

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You keep telling yourself that.

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Qwepir wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
The whole reason that BW put forth for not having the ME1 crew in ME2 was so that they could be in ME3.

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You keep telling yourself that.


From the Casey Hudson BestBuy interview: http://docs.google.c...xshh_82cx7t67db

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to
make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a
suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of
the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might
think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the
story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new
characters.



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Hah Casey Hudson. The day I believe what he says is the day I'll resurrect Abe Lincoln using just a toothbrush and a gallon of rubbing alcohol.

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Hah Casey Hudson. The day I believe what he says is the day I'll resurrect Abe Lincoln using just a toothbrush and a gallon of rubbing alcohol.


You have a point.  Like I said, assuming they weren't just flat out lying to us, that is the reason given.

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Without reading the thread, I'll just say that I sincerely hope the ME2 squad does NOT return as recruitable squad mates.

The whole reason that BW put forth for not having the ME1 crew in ME2 was so that they could be in ME3.

If the ME2 crew is all going to be returning in ME3 then what the point in the ridiculous story progressions given the the ME1 crew and what was the point of them not being in ME2?

Since we have already been robbed of a second chapter for these original characters I hope BW does not attempt to invest the time and resources developing content for all these potentially dead characters and inevitably taking away those resources from development for the original characters and their roles in ME3.

If the entire reason for them not being in ME2 was so they could be in ME3 I hope BW comes through on that explanation instead of it all having just been a big lie to soothe over the ME1 fans.


You would rather see all the ME:2 crew side-lined because the ME:1 crew was handled poorly in the sequel? Both games have love interests whose stories should come to a reasonable conclusion regardless of what game they first appeared in.

Bioware should learn from their mistakes and find a solution to benefit players who have love interests in both games - not just those who continued a romance from ME:1.



 

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Nozybidaj wrote...

From the Casey Hudson BestBuy interview: http://docs.google.c...xshh_82cx7t67db

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to
make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a
suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of
the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might
think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the
story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new
characters.


If I may deconstruct that for you using completely baseless assumptions, as you no doubt have:

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die.

Your entire crew can die, but your whole squad can survive. By crew he could have meant any of the people on the Normandy SR-2, not just squadmates.

CaseyH-ME2:
Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think)

Some. It says some. And it also says "more than you might think". Which means they might not have Kaidan/Ashley or Wrex as squadmates for ME3, but they may have Shiala or (god forbid) Conrad.

CaseyH-ME2:
the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

By important role in the story, that doesn't necessarily mean they are squadmates. Saren had an important role in Mass 1, TIM had a major role in Mass 2, and they weren't squadmates.

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Hah Casey Hudson. The day I believe what he says is the day I'll resurrect Abe Lincoln using just a toothbrush and a gallon of rubbing alcohol.

The statement makes some sense though.  They gave the players the ability to kill everyone off in ME2.  The question is, who is going to be dead and is going to be alive in the default in the ME3 game IMO.  If you go buy ME3 off of the shelf without ever playing ME1 or 2, who is dead in the default?  I am assuming that whoever is dead in the default will not have any type of major role such as a squadmate for example(temporary squadmate perhaps), if you saved them in ME2 and imported them into ME3.  I am also assuming that you can go buy ME3 off of the shelf without ever playing ME1 and ME2 and still win the game. 

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 10 avril 2010 - 06:20 .


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A reasonable scenario would be to have all the LI's survive for a default ME:3 Shepard, and for them to be teammates along with Liara, Virmire survivor, and a few new teammates. The rest would (unfortunately) be reduced to cameo's.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Hah Casey Hudson. The day I believe what he says is the day I'll resurrect Abe Lincoln using just a toothbrush and a gallon of rubbing alcohol.

The statement makes some sense though.  They gave the players the ability to kill everyone off in ME2.  The question is, who is going to be dead and is going to be alive in the default in the ME3 game IMO.  If you go buy ME3 off of the shelf without ever playing ME1 or 2, who is dead in the default?  I am assuming that whoever is dead in the default will not have any type of major role such as a squadmate for example, if you saved them in ME2 and imported them into ME3.  I am also assuming that you can go buy ME3 off of the shelf without ever playing ME1 and ME2 and still win the game. 

Squadmates are not major roles. They very rarely advance the plot. Tali and Liara were really the only plot-advancing squadmates in ME1, and Miranda, Jacob, and Mordin were the only ones in ME2, not counting loyalty missions as plot.

Modifié par Qwepir, 10 avril 2010 - 06:27 .


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Mordin advanced the plot. Other than that though, yes, it was basically only Miranda and Jacob kind of.

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I have seen a few threads where people have claimed that it is unlikely
or nearly impossible to account for all of the variations possible with
the suicide mission in Mass Effect 2, that it would be a logistical
nightmare.

Not only is it not impossible, it's not such a daunting task as some people would make it.
Basically, whether or not a squad mate could return is binary - 0 or 1. Either 0 they did not survive or 1 they did survive.

Here is a clear way how deceased squad mates could be handled in Mass Effect 3. These possibilties are not mutually exclusive.

a)
Another NPC assumes their position. An example of this would be Urdnot
Wreav, who is the head of the Urdnot Clan if Wrex was killed. This NPC
would
not be a squad mate.Quests involved with this NPC may be altered
slightly or significantly due to the squad mate associated being
deceased.
B)
Some or all quests associated with the squad mate would either be
altered or unavailable. An example of this would be in Mass Effect 2 -
you cannot do the loyalty mission of the squad mate that was killed.
c)
The changes are minor or nonexistent so it almost appears as they had
never died. An example in Mass Effect 2 would be the news story of the
posthumous awards and dedications to the squad mate who died on Virmire.
d)
Not all squad mates would have to return. Zaeed, Kasumi, Samara and
other squad mates for example could very realistically have other
things to do.

Some
people have noted because any squad mate can die in the suicide
mission, those who did survive could not conceivably or realistically
return or have large roles. This is very false. Take for example Ashley
or Kaidan both of which can die, yet were said by Bioware as having a
large role in Mass Effect 3, in addition to being squad mates. It is a
fair point that Ashley or Kaidan have been interchangeable in their
roles so far, as one or the other appears on Horizon. However, what I
have said goes to show that potentially deceased characters can have
large roles.

Bioware has created the high quality games of Mass
Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, both of which required ample amounts of
effort and talent. It is not beyond their ability to have fan favorites
return in ways that are satisfying to the fans.

In addition, as
we have seen in Mass Effect 2, we have squad mates that can have
important roles in the game or suicide mission yet do not exclude the
possbility of having a satisfactory ending if they are not recruited.

Also
take into account that the fans clearly want squad mates to return. And
as Christina Norman has shown with her comments on additional RPG
features in Mass Effect 3, Bioware listens to its fans.

social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2652/
This
poll has almost 50% of respondents saying outright that they would not
purchase Mass Effect 3 if the squad mates did not return. 8% do not
know whether or not they buy the game. Clearly these characters make
Mass Effect what it is.

social.bioware.com/892908/polls/1974/
This poll has over 80% of voters saying that Mass Effect 3 MUST have squad mates return in more significant ways than cameos.

Would like to hear your feedback on the subject matter.

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Mordin advanced the plot. Other than that though, yes, it was basically only Miranda and Jacob kind of.

Oh god how could I forget. He was probably the most important of all of them.