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#52
Posté 10 avril 2010 - 05:46
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Heh, you need to chill - OP
You bought the game you played the game - no one forced you to buy it, if you don't like it that's tough. Throwing all of your toys out of your pram on a forum isn't really the best way of going about registering a complaint now is it?
You bought the game you played the game - no one forced you to buy it, if you don't like it that's tough. Throwing all of your toys out of your pram on a forum isn't really the best way of going about registering a complaint now is it?
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#53
Posté 10 avril 2010 - 06:27
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If the only problem is crash issues with DA:O, then roll back to Patch 1.02a. Aside from some people having memory leak problems in a certain city, that version seemed pretty stable. This solution will require a clean install, but if it fixes your problems, it'll be worth it. Your saves are stored in a folder in My Documents (if you're running Windows), so you won't lose them by reinstalling.
For the DLC problem on a PC running Windows, try this. Open the Start menu and choose Run. Type in "services.msc" without the quotation marks. Find Dragon Age: Origins -- Content Updater and highlight it. If the service isn't running, choose "Start the service." If it's already running, choose "Restart the service." This little trick seems to have worked for quite a few people, so it's worth a try. It only takes a few minutes to do.
Finally, if you're having problems, the best place to post is in the tech forum for your platform. A civil request for help is generally successful. There are also stickied threads in those forums which deal with the most common problems. Coming into a general forum and throwing a tantrum really doesn't help you.
For the DLC problem on a PC running Windows, try this. Open the Start menu and choose Run. Type in "services.msc" without the quotation marks. Find Dragon Age: Origins -- Content Updater and highlight it. If the service isn't running, choose "Start the service." If it's already running, choose "Restart the service." This little trick seems to have worked for quite a few people, so it's worth a try. It only takes a few minutes to do.
Finally, if you're having problems, the best place to post is in the tech forum for your platform. A civil request for help is generally successful. There are also stickied threads in those forums which deal with the most common problems. Coming into a general forum and throwing a tantrum really doesn't help you.
#54
Posté 10 avril 2010 - 06:34
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well i didin't had any crashes with my games, the game crashes because of pc, and btw i didin't had any problem with dragon age origins, and i didin't updated origins with patches it was fine for me but the awakening bugs are really annoying hoping that bio will release patch soon for them 
#55
Posté 10 avril 2010 - 07:37
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I love this thread. I have a ps3. I have played through completely with my rogue, dual wielding daggers. I'm not sure what exactly is keeping you from making a rogue....but it's definitely not the dex bug....
#58
Posté 10 avril 2010 - 10:33
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I can understand switching to the PC version if you wanted to try community made content. On the other hand, if someone is buying the PC version because of problems that were never resolved on the console version, it is lunacy to give the company more of your money. I would not complain in the way the OP did, but his was a legitimate gripe. The PS3 version needs a real patch.
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Posté 10 avril 2010 - 10:47
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Meowbeast wrote...
I can understand switching to the PC version if you wanted to try community made content. On the other hand, if someone is buying the PC version because of problems that were never resolved on the console version, it is lunacy to give the company more of your money. I would not complain in the way the OP did, but his was a legitimate gripe. The PS3 version needs a real patch.
Indeed and it works both ways. I saw my friend playing MLB2K10 on his console and the game was amazing. Saw the same title for PC for under $20 bucks (don't own console myself) made the mistake of buying it only to realize the game is one unplayable buggy mess on the PC.
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#60
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 05:03
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I Valente I wrote...
I love this thread. I have a ps3. I have played through completely with my rogue, dual wielding daggers. I'm not sure what exactly is keeping you from making a rogue....but it's definitely not the dex bug....
The dex bug makes the game not add any multiplier for dex at all, which means daggers and bows do less damage than they should. Knowing how much damage should be done then seeing how much you actually do because of the bug really takes away from it. Sure you can make a dex rogue, but the damage is really not what it should be and it really takes away from the build. Besides that, there has been a fix for months, but they have not given us anything on consoles except for a useless achievement patch.
#61
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 05:44
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the only bug i hate for the ps3 i think its a bug is the downloadable content is undownloadable and some content goes missing as well hope they FIX that very soon but for the gameplay its pretty good some lagg issues with the quests but thats about it.
#62
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 06:03
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I think I'll chip in here with a long post. Feel free to tl;dr, but don't feel the need to post about not reading.
I am an old gamer, I've been playing computer games now for twenty five years. I tend to find a game I like and play it to death, and then a few years later come back and do it again. I've never been bothered by getting the latest games, the game isn't going to vanish in a puff of smoke, it'll still be there later.
However recently I've jumped in with both feet and bought newer games. It started off with me playing Mass Effect (which for me is pretty new) and as soon as I finished it I wanted a go at Mass Effect 2. Despite the somewhat limited gameplay it's a pretty good game - it's part of the game design to be less complicated after all.
So having finished Mass Effect 1 and 2 and the DLC, I thought I'd jump and get Dragon Age. After all it's been out for months, so it should be playable.
It is playable, but I'm left with a rather sour taste in my mouth, thanks to Bioware. I finished Dragon Age yesterday and bought Awakening on Steam (I just started it a little and then decided to play through Dragon Age again and do it straight through as a rogue).
I've noticed a few issues with Dragon Age, mainly through reading the wikia. It's only really yesterday and today that I've noticed something about the way Bioware are handling it.
First of all there's the crashing/slowdown. It's a memory leak. No amount of customer feedback is going to fix that, creating a forum thread for people to post their experiences of it is deceptive. The only way to fix the memory leak is by the developers, there is simply nothing we can do to assist them with that, but it sure does give us an outlet to whine about it, and it makes them look like they are "doing something". However memory leaks, especially with software as complicated as this are rather difficult to diagnose, and difficult to fix. It may indeed take a while. The end result of it is that over time we need to save the game, close it and restart. For me that takes a minute or so, so it's not actually that painful.
What concerns me is the silent disabling of game features. It turns out that many item properties have been "broken". Read disabled. If a patch really did break that much they'd unpatch things. I conclude that they've decided it's a better game experience to disable them than have them cause problems. Stealing, and some item properties aren't exactly game breakers. However it is very irritating to create a strategy that relies on one or more of these item properties, and then have a game update simply disable them, or the strategy fail for no reason.
I'm guessing Bioware think it's better to say nothing about the silent disabling of game features rather than admit that months after release they haven't fixed them yet and have had to disable them.
The reason they haven't fixed them yet is pretty simple. Sloppy coding in the first place results in things needed fixed afterwards. Not dedicating enough resources to fixing the problems mean they take a long time.
So perhaps they will eventually fix these things... perhaps not. Certainly if they have more plans for the current Dragon Age in the way of further expansions then there's a fairly good chance they'll look at them.
But with the original game starting to get discounted, and probably the bulk of purchases already having happened, then there's very little incentive for Bioware to do it, other than good faith.
As for the overall experience of the game, I enjoy it. Bioware have always created enjoyable tales. They've never been good at creating efficient game engines, but they do create game engines that allow good gameplay. I don't want my money back... although I wouldn't buy it knowing what I know now.
What I don't like is the DRM (Digital Rights Management). Bioware have decided to slice off part of the game and call it premium content which anyone who buys the game gets free. It's down to one or both of two reasons. Pirates will struggle to get it authorised (they'll get round it eventually, they always do), and people who buy games second hand will feel that they got less for their money. I suppose I could live with that, but I don't have to like it. It would be very amusing if PC games made their way back to shareware by this method. For those that don't know it was pretty common for games in the late 90s to be shareware, this meant you typically got the first grouip of levels for free, and if you wanted more you'd register the game and get a full copy. Bioware are taking a step towards that with the way DLC has gone on Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age. I'd probably welcome that, certainly it's a good way to try out a game by playing the actual game and then deciding if we want to keep playing.
Anyway, in short... I feel I got burnt here. I paid full price for a game that isn't working properly, and the worst part is that Bioware are trying to hide it. I think I'll wait a year after release for the next Bioware game I get, and I'll make sure the wikis/FAQs etc don't list any bugs that I couldn't live with. The end result of that is Bioware get less from me for their games, because they're cheaper a year later. Mass Effect cost me £13 compared to £40 for Mass Effect 2. Sadly it won't make one iota of difference to Bioware, their product is so popular that people will buy it at full price when it comes out anyway.
I am an old gamer, I've been playing computer games now for twenty five years. I tend to find a game I like and play it to death, and then a few years later come back and do it again. I've never been bothered by getting the latest games, the game isn't going to vanish in a puff of smoke, it'll still be there later.
However recently I've jumped in with both feet and bought newer games. It started off with me playing Mass Effect (which for me is pretty new) and as soon as I finished it I wanted a go at Mass Effect 2. Despite the somewhat limited gameplay it's a pretty good game - it's part of the game design to be less complicated after all.
So having finished Mass Effect 1 and 2 and the DLC, I thought I'd jump and get Dragon Age. After all it's been out for months, so it should be playable.
It is playable, but I'm left with a rather sour taste in my mouth, thanks to Bioware. I finished Dragon Age yesterday and bought Awakening on Steam (I just started it a little and then decided to play through Dragon Age again and do it straight through as a rogue).
I've noticed a few issues with Dragon Age, mainly through reading the wikia. It's only really yesterday and today that I've noticed something about the way Bioware are handling it.
First of all there's the crashing/slowdown. It's a memory leak. No amount of customer feedback is going to fix that, creating a forum thread for people to post their experiences of it is deceptive. The only way to fix the memory leak is by the developers, there is simply nothing we can do to assist them with that, but it sure does give us an outlet to whine about it, and it makes them look like they are "doing something". However memory leaks, especially with software as complicated as this are rather difficult to diagnose, and difficult to fix. It may indeed take a while. The end result of it is that over time we need to save the game, close it and restart. For me that takes a minute or so, so it's not actually that painful.
What concerns me is the silent disabling of game features. It turns out that many item properties have been "broken". Read disabled. If a patch really did break that much they'd unpatch things. I conclude that they've decided it's a better game experience to disable them than have them cause problems. Stealing, and some item properties aren't exactly game breakers. However it is very irritating to create a strategy that relies on one or more of these item properties, and then have a game update simply disable them, or the strategy fail for no reason.
I'm guessing Bioware think it's better to say nothing about the silent disabling of game features rather than admit that months after release they haven't fixed them yet and have had to disable them.
The reason they haven't fixed them yet is pretty simple. Sloppy coding in the first place results in things needed fixed afterwards. Not dedicating enough resources to fixing the problems mean they take a long time.
So perhaps they will eventually fix these things... perhaps not. Certainly if they have more plans for the current Dragon Age in the way of further expansions then there's a fairly good chance they'll look at them.
But with the original game starting to get discounted, and probably the bulk of purchases already having happened, then there's very little incentive for Bioware to do it, other than good faith.
As for the overall experience of the game, I enjoy it. Bioware have always created enjoyable tales. They've never been good at creating efficient game engines, but they do create game engines that allow good gameplay. I don't want my money back... although I wouldn't buy it knowing what I know now.
What I don't like is the DRM (Digital Rights Management). Bioware have decided to slice off part of the game and call it premium content which anyone who buys the game gets free. It's down to one or both of two reasons. Pirates will struggle to get it authorised (they'll get round it eventually, they always do), and people who buy games second hand will feel that they got less for their money. I suppose I could live with that, but I don't have to like it. It would be very amusing if PC games made their way back to shareware by this method. For those that don't know it was pretty common for games in the late 90s to be shareware, this meant you typically got the first grouip of levels for free, and if you wanted more you'd register the game and get a full copy. Bioware are taking a step towards that with the way DLC has gone on Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age. I'd probably welcome that, certainly it's a good way to try out a game by playing the actual game and then deciding if we want to keep playing.
Anyway, in short... I feel I got burnt here. I paid full price for a game that isn't working properly, and the worst part is that Bioware are trying to hide it. I think I'll wait a year after release for the next Bioware game I get, and I'll make sure the wikis/FAQs etc don't list any bugs that I couldn't live with. The end result of that is Bioware get less from me for their games, because they're cheaper a year later. Mass Effect cost me £13 compared to £40 for Mass Effect 2. Sadly it won't make one iota of difference to Bioware, their product is so popular that people will buy it at full price when it comes out anyway.
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Posté 11 avril 2010 - 06:10
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It's working properly for me, so obviously the problem is with YOU.
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Posté 11 avril 2010 - 06:37
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Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
It's working properly for me, so obviously the problem is with YOU.
Who are you talking to? If it's me then, no, sorry, it's not "working properly", and it's not 'ME'.
However it's clear from your response that you're barely literate, so it's unlikely you'd spot if it was indeed working properly, or not.
Small parts of the game are disabled, this doesn't mean it's unplayable though. Additionally there's a memory leak. It's possible that the memory leak exists only on some configurations... and possible that isn't the case.
If you aren't experiencing problems them I'm afraid that does not mean the game works for everybody. You aren't everybody.
If you could be a little clearer, and put even a modicum of effort into your posting then confusion may be avoided in future.
#66
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 07:13
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Jimneous wrote...
Just because you're having problems with the glitches and bugs it doedn't mean that no one else would want to enjoy the games, also you insults show a lack of consideration to how much effort it takes to make a game, especially one of this scale. I doubt you could do a better job with the game on your own so what's the use in complaining?
Are you serious? You are a very Ignorant person because if you would just get off your high horse and get some reading glasses and check these forums you would KNOW that A LOT of people are having glitches, not just me. I bought the game when it first came out and the glitches have YET to be fixed. And you must be joking with the last part of your statement, IM NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE GAMES BUT THE PEOPLE WORKING ON THESE GAMES SHOULD BE! I know of A LOT of games who don't have the number of glitches that these games have, not only that it happened in TWO consecutive games, so I have every right to be upset and voice my unhappiness, yes I AM a DISGRUNTLED customer.
#67
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 07:25
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Well, at least your avatar matches your OP.
#68
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 07:28
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bassmunkee wrote...
Heh, you need to chill - OP
You bought the game you played the game - no one forced you to buy it, if you don't like it that's tough. Throwing all of your toys out of your pram on a forum isn't really the best way of going about registering a complaint now is it?
No one said I didn't like the game, the game is good, but I bought it to so I can make my fantasy RPG character which would be a dual wielding rogue, and i want to see the damage done by dexterity. What vexes me is that its not just ONE problem, there are multitudes that have yet to be fixed, yet NEW content is being shipped out that possess more problems. WHY the hell would you release something new when you haven't fixed the old for MANY players? Adding insult to injury, your new expansion has MANY MANY MANY bugs that people have been complaining about, bugs that would have been caught in ONE play through by the developers but rather they shipped it out, knowing the bugs are there (If you tell me you didn't know those bugs existed before it was shipped you need to get a freaking better more qualified team to run this game) and lets us, the customers, become their beta testers. I can't play a game that I bought months ago because of so many bugs STILL persistent. Framerate issue comes to mind as well. The game is awesome, don't get me wrong, but how can one enjoy something that is so full of flaws, and when the whole purpose of the game is to create an RPG character from your fantasies and to take him around this world they've created, yet you're unable to SIX months after the game came out?
Not only that, but there has been NO announcement or communication regarding the development of the patch that was promised months ago.
And to the person who made the book analogy....its more like a book with a few torn pages than spelling errors.
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Posté 11 avril 2010 - 07:35
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Thanks Urshakk, I try my best. He does look furious don't he?
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Posté 11 avril 2010 - 07:40
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Malfurus wrote...
Thanks Urshakk, I try my best. He does look furious don't he?
Oh yes, very much so
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Posté 11 avril 2010 - 08:05
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Malfurus wrote...
And to the person who made the book analogy....its more like a book with a few torn pages than spelling errors.
The analogy isn't very good.... it's far more complicated than a book, so while I'd be annoyed by spelling errors in a book I'm not going to spit my dummy when there's the odd broken quest or something a little buggy.
But there are, if you like, missing pages. You can enjoy a book if there are missing pages (as long as it's not the last chapter!), and indeed the missing pages from Dragon Age are not the last chapter... if it was a book it'd be pretty easy to work out what had happened.
What's bothering me isn't that there are problems, it's that the last patch just disabled problematic parts of the game. A great deal of a game like this is perfecting companions equipment. When you don't know if equipment does what it says it does then that's a real annoyance. When you wear a set of gear and get the bonus from it... or especially if you work hard to make sure you get all of the parts of a particular armour set and then you notice that you have to take a bit off and put it back on to get the bonus to show up.... again that's an annoyance.
But months after release it's very bad form. Compounded by Bioware releasing a pay for add-on when the game that people have paid for isn't even working properly. It is not an acceptable response to say the guys working on the add-on aren't the ones working on fixing the problems if that's the case. Bioware should have spent the problem away, and they haven't.
That said... going back to the book analogy, it happens to be a very good book, and sadly there's only one book a year coming out these days.
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Posté 11 avril 2010 - 08:33
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That is not clear from the quoted response at all.Halkus wrote...
Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
It's working properly for me, so obviously the problem is with YOU.
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However it's clear from your response that you're barely literate[…]
Just what is your agenda here? <_<
#73
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 08:37
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Nukenin wrote...
That is not clear from the quoted response at all.Halkus wrote...
Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...
It's working properly for me, so obviously the problem is with YOU.
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However it's clear from your response that you're barely literate[…]
Just what is your agenda here? <_<
I have no agenda other than expressing my opinion, which I'm trying to do as best as I can.
I thought his post was a lazy uninformed dig at someone (possibly me) and if he was more that barely literate he'd have made an attempt to either explain himself to the point where it was clear who he was talking to.
#74
Posté 11 avril 2010 - 08:49
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Halkus wrote...
a lot of coherent stuff.
Halkus,
Thank you for that post.
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Posté 11 avril 2010 - 09:20
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Oh, you were expressing an opinion. My bad. I mistook it (e.g., "What concerns me is the silent disabling of game features.") for conspiracist rambling presented as fact.Halkus wrote...
I have no agenda other than expressing my opinion, which I'm trying to do as best as I can.
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