[quote]Shandepared wrote...
That's not much consolation when he's comparing me to Saren and then pointing a gun at me. Considering the kind of family Wrex comes from I'm not sure that being considered among them (or even slightly above them) means very much.[/quote]
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Either way it's a clue that he still has friendly feelings for you. If you think shouldn't have to explain to him your actions, he shouldn't have to explain it to you either. Not after he's said those words.
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Shooting somebody who is pointing a gun at you is absolutely morally justifiable. Especially when they're enraged, big, and not a sworn to obey you. Recall that Wrex is just a merc. His loyalty can be considered rather informal.
I'll give you the internal dialog I had going in my head.
"This isn't right, Shepard..."
"Easy, Wrex, I'm not the enemy here. Saren is the one you should be mad at."
"Really? Saren invented a cure for my people. You want to destroy it. Help me out here, Shepard, the lines between friend and foe are getting a little blurry..."
"I shouldn't have to explain that to you, Wrex!"
Are you kidding me, after everything we've done together you're seriuosly considering jumping ship for Saren?"Indulge me. If you can't give me a better reason to destroy the hopes of my people, then I'm
through with you!" *Wrex pulls a gun*
Now my Shepard is
really pissed. Not only is his friend turning on him, but now he's pointing a gun at him. He's challenging his authority, and that is unacceptable.
"All you need to know is I'm giving you an order to
fall in line!"
Stand down, you ****, before you get one us killed."So after all this time that's all I get from you? How can you not see what this means to the krogan?! This base can't be destroyed,
I won't allow it!"
He's pointing a gun at me, talking about joining with Saren, and now he's saying I can't complete my mission...*Shepard shoots Wrex to death*
You ****.He was sorry it came to that. Wrex was one of his friends, perhaps his best friend on the crew. However he doesn't tolerate friends pointing their guns at him, especially when they refuse to back down, sympathize with the enemy, and then stand against his mission. He had no choice but to shoot Wrex. Later he speculated that even if he'd somehow talked Wrex down that Wrex wouldn't have been trustworthy after that. [/quote]
I wasn't bothered by you killing him (no one would know better unless in retrospective). But the absence of guilt. Because your Shepard was at least partially at fault. Wrex asked you to "indulge" him with an explanation, but even that you refused; you're asking to make the ultimate sacrifise to you, without offering any reassurance that his sacrifise will even be appreciated; surely he's wronged you as well by threatening to join Saren, but that's what compromise is for. That's what friends are for. You not only "tolerate", you forgive and sacrifice for each other.
Again I'm not saying that keeping Wrex is the only acceptable outcome. I'm saying that character flaws are what makes a story interesting, and therefore we should be honest about our m
[quote]Speakeasy13 wrote...
- Constantly expressing your view in such a manner as if that is
objectively correct and has no fault to be found.[/quote]
Have you ever considered that I'm correct?[/quote]
I don't see everything as correct or incorrect. Everyone has their reasons. Well most of us anyway.
[quote]Speakeasy13 wrote...
- Outright stating that your opinion is the only one that matters to you.[/quote]
Nothing to do with bigotry.[/quote]
I'm sure most people will disagree with you on that one.
[quote]Speakeasy13 wrote...
- Refusal to address the possibility that you may be wrong.[/quote]
You're not very introspective, are you?[/quote]
There are plenty of occasions where I admit I'm wrong. Then again, I seldom challenge others' morals on a fundamental morals so I don't often have to prove myself correct or wrong.
[quote]Speakeasy13 wrote...
- Repeated failure to consider or even finish reading others' postings before making a comeback[/quote]
Just don' t start your post with vulcans. In any case, this has nothing to do with bigotry.[/quote]
Again, it does and most people will agree.
[quote]Speakeasy13 wrote...
- Habitually using such "terms of endearment" as if others are of inferior status than you are.[/quote]
That would only be bigtory if I were wrong.[/quote]
And exactly what makes you superior? That you're
always right?
[quote]Speakeasy 13 wrote...
Educate me. If that's not biggotry, what is?[/quote]
A lack of tolerance and I tolerate quite a lot. I have and do consider other view points and more often than not I dismiss them because I see them as incorrect.
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Tolerance is rather minimal. Tolerating others barely makes anyone a decent person. In fact, the very concept of tolerance suggests that you're viewing others in condescendance. It's such an honor you even allowed our existense by "tolerating" us!
Oh well, maybe biggot was not the best word I should've used. Arrogance and self-absorbance are probably the word I was looking for. There I just proved I am introspective. More than you anyway.
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didn't have enough charm/intimidate skill. In either case it was YOU who failed him. Not the other way around. Blame yourself, not him.
