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Ummm... can't save kaiden and ashley?


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Mekkie

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So... I play through as all humans. I don't play aliens. Now i have to choose being killing of Kaiden and killing off Ashley?

Should I just uninstall now? Or is there some way to save them both?
I *will not* continue without my human squad.

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xxXBeatXxx0

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sorry bud no way can you save both its kaiden or ashley.

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Mekkie

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Blah, what a waste of time. Well at least I didn't buy Mass Effect 2 yet.. saved me some money right there.

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xxXBeatXxx0

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umm in mass effect 2 you can have a human only team through out the whole game

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Well, this thread brought the LOLs...

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xxXBeatXxx0

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yes...yes i suppose it did

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What's wrong with playing with aliens?

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xxXBeatXxx0

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maybe he has xenophobia?....or just doesint like aliens

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1. I dont like playing ugly characters. I'm sorry if all you macho men out there think ugly is better, but news flash. Girls do play games. And we tend not to like playing things with tentacles or blue and green skin.



2. Ashley and Kaiden have been my squad since Eden Prime. Aside from hating ugly characers, i do like to roleplay with them. Originally, that was the whole point of *roleplaying games*, wasn't it?

Kaiden is my romance interest, and Ashley is like my best friend. The fact that bioware gives you NO option to talk you way out of sending either of them with the salarians, and NO option of avoiding the scene alltogether kind of destroys the RP sense of the game for me. There's no way my character would ever sacrifice one of her closest friends to a suicide mission.



I don't care if you can have a squad of 10 humans in Mass Effect 2, I'm talking about 1 here. And I choose not to continue playing without my ALL 3 of my favorite characters.



You can laugh or flame all you want, but I choose to not continue playing a game that greatly cripples the fun factor for me. Why play a game if its no longer fun?

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Guys, I was playing Eden Prime. Corporal Jenkins has to die? Should I uninstall or is there a way to save him? I *will not* continue with my game without him.

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You can take Tali. She looks like a space elf. Girls like elves.

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1. I dont like playing ugly characters. I'm sorry if all you macho men out there think ugly is better, but news flash. Girls do play games. And we tend not to like playing things with tentacles or blue and green skin.


I hate playing with things who have black skin.  Or just dark skin in general.  Maybe those guys think ugly is better, right?

2. Ashley and Kaiden have been my squad since Eden Prime. Aside from hating ugly characers, i do like to roleplay with them. Originally, that was the whole point of *roleplaying games*, wasn't it?
Kaiden is my romance interest, and Ashley is like my best friend. The fact that bioware gives you NO option to talk you way out of sending either of them with the salarians, and NO option of avoiding the scene alltogether kind of destroys the RP sense of the game for me. There's no way my character would ever sacrifice one of her closest friends to a suicide mission.


And roleplaying games also have stories.  And in this story you have to fight.  Sometimes people die.  Ashley or Kaiden is a situation where one will die.

One of them needs to go with the salarians to maintain communication with you.  It wasn't thought to be suicidal.  Hell, it only becomes a sacrifice when the geth dropship arrives at the nuke site, everything was effectively fine until then (if you ignore the Salarians who have died, I suppose).  If that dropship had arrived 5 minutes later, both would have lived.  Bad stuff happens.

I don't care if you can have a squad of 10 humans in Mass Effect 2, I'm talking about 1 here. And I choose not to continue playing without my ALL 3 of my favorite characters.


Why should your favorite characters be immune to dying?

You can laugh or flame all you want, but I choose to not continue playing a game that greatly cripples the fun factor for me. Why play a game if its no longer fun?


Why does losing one of those two suddenly make the game not fun?

Spoiler alert!  In ME2, if you don't do things correctly, *everyone*, including you, can die.  You can also fairly easily lose all but 2 members.

Bad stuff happens.  Kill enough bad guys and eventually one of your team is likely to bite the dust.

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the game is about aliens. I dont know why you installed it in the first place if you dont like them...

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kennyv217 wrote...

the game is about aliens. I dont know why you installed it in the first place if you dont like them...


I dont mind stories about aliens. I just don't like playing them. 
I was told it was a very fun RPG, and I could play as humans. Enough said. Apparently my friend convieniently left out the fact that Id lose one in the middle of the game. How could he have known? He's only one of the Edmonton devs..
And why should my favorite characters be immune to death? Well.. if i had the option to send one of the aliens along instead, I wouldnt be complaining. Wrex fans have a way to talk their way out of losing him. Human fans dont get the same choices? It's forced. There should be no forced anything in a game that was so acclaimed for its RP customization.
It's just lame imo. And it does take the fun away from me, because I enjoyed my squad. Sure if one of them had died in the first 5 minutes I wouldn't be so upset. I got attached to my squad, I have been playing them for weeks now, and I don't want to lose either of them.
So whatever. Flame away.

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You lost a human at the beginning of the game, too.



The aliens don't know the needed communication protocols to keep the teams organized.



The default ME2 game has Wrex dying. Sucks if you don't import a character, eh?



What exactly is forced? That *someone* dies or that one of those two dies? If you had to sacrifice 4 out of the 6 members of your squad for something, leaving you with just two, would you view that as better than having to pick between Ashley and Kaidan?

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Masticetobbacco

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you can use a save file editor to save both kaidan and ashley

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i did not like the humans in the first one....it was liara and wrex for me......oh yeah and i'm not "macho" i hate something if it has big muscles.....krogans aside,and i think the turians look cool,with their face paint and their jaw hinges, and the asari.....other then the whole tentacle hair thing its nice, quarians? if they didint have the whole legs bending backwards and the 3 fingers i would mistake them for humans in suits.



but hey thats life one day your talking with your best friend the next day you sacrificing them to the gods that are bioware so you can move in your story....oh yeah and sorry to break it too you but kaiden or ashley (who ever you choose ) are only in mass effect 2 for only like 5 minutes

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you do realise that if you're roleplaying you're not certain at the time that it's a suicide mission that you're sending them on,. sure they're chances are slim but you can help them out along the way by destroying different things.



unfortunately, i didn't know about the death either till it came up and i really struggled over who to save and actually felt a real loss for who died.



i think it makes it a better game if it pulls the rug out from under you.

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the reason i didint like them is because of their personality (ahley was okay i guess) and kaiden just seemed whiney (i was glad he didint mind me choosing him to die)strange thing though if you fast enough kirrahe is still alive ....but all hes doing is standing there, but continue the story and secure humanitys rightful place in the galaxy!!! (the ending kinda makes up for them dying...if you want it too)

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Uh, sure it's a "fun RPG", but it's also kinda about a genocidal threat on a galactic scale, so... people die. If you went into this thinking it would be Care Bears in Space, then yeah, I guess it's just not the game for you. Most fans of the franchise thought the decision on Virmire is one of the game's high points because it makes the threat feel more real than if everyone always magically survived everything just because you want them to.

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Masticetobbacco wrote...

you can use a save file editor to save both kaidan and ashley


See, now this is what I like to hear. :P
Gonna try it when I get home.

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Mekkie wrote...

Masticetobbacco wrote...

you can use a save file editor to save both kaidan and ashley


See, now this is what I like to hear. :P
Gonna try it when I get home.


You still will not be able to play both of them.  You will have to choose between the two saves.

The main character is human, so your not playing an alien if you take one on the team.

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yes you can..

you can only import one into ME2, but you can edit the save files so you can use both ashley and kaidan for the rest of ME1

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Mekkie

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Do you happen to know where I can find this editor? Or do i need to Hex it?

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This thread brought out the laughs for me thanks. You have to play nice with the aliens in this game in order to go further into the game. Hell I'm a female, and I play with the Aliens I think the aliens are cool....