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[MrBoomba]

I thought the broodmother was created from the greed of humanity and demonicazation of ones soul when they resort to cannibalization and dark promises. There is ingame lore that points to andraste being close to the "Maker" but that is from someone who didnt pay much attention to the whole "Maker" lore.
Also, I am a christian in the real world so it may be why I do not look into the whole "maker" thing in the game.

just a copy/paste from the other one =p

Modifié par MrBoomba, 10 avril 2010 - 01:04 .

[David Gaider]

imported_beer wrote...
/Isn't that right Mr. Gaider?

Damn skippy.

Go forth and convert the heathens. I await the plushie offerings anon.

[MrBoomba]

I wouldnt be against free broodmother plushies =o

[Wonderllama4]

of course the Maker is real! and so was Andraste. I would love to see the Dragon Age: Origins version of the Resurrection. and then she could join your party!

Andraste would be an interesting love interest...

Modifié par Wonderllama4, 10 avril 2010 - 01:20 .

[MrBoomba]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

of course the Maker is real! and so was Andraste. I would love to see the Dragon Age: Origins version of the Resurrection. and then she could join your party!

Andraste would be an interesting love interest...

Mmmm,  the reply I have for this is  considered a spoiler to some extent, but you can technically ressurect her. I want to explain it fully, but I dont want to ruin it for anybody.

[astrallite]

Your question reminds me of the movie the Clash of the Titans where Argos destroyed the statue of Zeus, even though there was overwhelming evidence of Gods in the world and that there would be immediate consequences to such overwhelming stupidity.

[MrBoomba]

Andraste wasn't the maker from how I read everything, she was just close him him. BUT from how everything read the maker was more of the spirit of battle rather than a real person and she had just fallen in love with the idea of fighting for what she believes.

[Batknight]

well since the ashes of the woman who was his prophet were able to cure an incurable illness you think so but i could be wrong im not the writer

[MrBoomba]

I'd personally like to know what the writer has to say about this kind of thing, in a literal sense.

[Grovermancer]

There was recently a significant thread about the metaphysics and cosmology of DA entitled "Getting Laid in the Fade," but since this website's search engine sucks (or I'm too inept) I can't find it.


Darkspawn actually being 'fallen' man is a Luciferian/Numenorian motif (probably similar Greek themes too).  I wish there was a nice intro cut-scene to properly frame all that at the beginning of DA, to 'set the stage' as it were.  (and I wish Allister, during his motivational speech at Denerim, summarized the entire mythos of DA, including the "original fall" that has led to all this misery and that they "had enough of!" and were about to finally confront.  Oh, and the entire hillside should have been filled w/ the army)

One problem w/ the Maker is the whole "almighty all-powerful fallible ego" god-like-man figure that western myths require.  Even in The Maker's First Children, you see how fallible this 'Maker' apparently is.  Hell, he creates these 'spirits' that apparently spontaneously turn evil!  (BTW, if they weren't self-conscious -- thus the need to create self-conscious entities -- except Dwarves, apparently -- then how did these spirits have desire, greed, etc, and turn "evil?"  Cause it sounds like they enticed man during dreams/Fade.  Man didn't corrupt them with their dreaming desires.  Were they created evil?)

Either we've not been given all the answers, OR the Chantry is wrong...  OR the cosmology isn't legit.  

[MrBoomba]

With that being said, as insightful as it iwas, still leads me to think what I had thought before and that andraste was just using "The Maker" as a way to rally more men/woman for her war efforts and a good way to explain to the ignorance of people that their greed wasnt the reason for their transormations, but an excuse.

[MrBoomba]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

I'm not completly sure. I allowed Genitivi to show Andrastes ashes to the rest of the world and I gave the scrolls to Sister Justine. I did this because I'm hoping that many people will investigate them and find out the real truth.

Andrastes ashes and the Guardian might be just magic you know.

This is what I'm thinking. It pointed she had powerful magics, perhaps she was a spirit healer/Arcane warrior combo? im being serious when saying this too, it makes sense cause she had magical powers, but had the might of a warrior and had healing powers, so it makes perfect sense!

[Urdnot_Write]

The Maker is real and he has revealed his glory to his true followers in the form of the Risen Andraste!

[Hangaround677]

Could be, it would be typical for a fictional world.



But i don't see how we could really discuss this properly. As far as i'm concerned there isn't any good theory about how Darkspawn were created besides the one provided by the Chantry(The old Magisters corrupted the golden city and got transformed, then they started searching for their Old Gods) . Of course some of us could make one, but after tonight's quantity of beer, im not the person to do it, don't think i would be right for the task without the beer either.



I would however like to say that i find it quite understandable that the others races in Thedas have no theory. The Dwarves have more then enough with defending themselves against Darkspawn and do not care where they come from(as stated by the wiki) The elves don't believe in the maker(even though they've been forced to, sadly), but can you expect someone who have been so oppressed by humans to give a **** about anything, but how to get by(or in the Dalish situation reclaiming their lost culture) As for now, we'll have to make do with the one well explained theory.



I can however say that whether the maker exists or not, the Chantry is pure politics, even though their intentions might be good(spreading the Chant of light so that the Maker will make Thedas a paradise) they oppress people, their exalted marches doesn't open for any other believes(the one who could be against the dwarves, the one against the Dalish and the ones against Tevinter) I'm not fund of this at all. They also strike me as quite cocky when it comes to their own power.

The last statement i can't elaborate as this is "no spoilers allowed". Stupid discussion to put in a no spoiler forum.



p.s: I'm not completely sure if the exalted marches involve Andrastian nations armies, or the military order of the Chantry - the templars. I find the first one to make the most sense, but i would like it confirmed as i then would have a proper view of the chantry.

[Sigma Tauri]

Grovermancer wrote...
There was recently a significant thread about the metaphysics and cosmology of DA entitled "Getting Laid in the Fade," but since this website's search engine sucks (or I'm too inept) I can't find it.

Google does it better.

http://social.biowar...index/2018795/1

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 10 avril 2010 - 03:52 .

[Hyper Cutter]

MrBoomba wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

I'm not completly sure. I allowed Genitivi to show Andrastes ashes to the rest of the world and I gave the scrolls to Sister Justine. I did this because I'm hoping that many people will investigate them and find out the real truth.

Andrastes ashes and the Guardian might be just magic you know.

This is what I'm thinking. It pointed she had powerful magics, perhaps she was a spirit healer/Arcane warrior combo? im being serious when saying this too, it makes sense cause she had magical powers, but had the might of a warrior and had healing powers, so it makes perfect sense!

There is that one book that suggests almost this exact thing (one of Wynne's gifts)...