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[aaniadyen]

Well, if you'll all recall, from BG 1 there was the "Lord Foreshadow" who spoke to you about traveling up to Neverwinter. Well, similarly in DA:O, in the mage tower, the fourth summoning font summons the npc "Arl Foreshadow" if you steal from him in the brief time he appears, you get a codex entry called "The notes of Arl Foreshadow". If you haven't encountered this in-game, here's a link: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_Entry%3A_The_Notes_of_Arl_Foreshadow As you can see, it implies something is happening in Orlais in the future. If the epilogue in Awakenings did state that Morrigan is in Orlais, maybe we will see her again in the installment our friend Arl Foreshadow was referring to. Possibly even on 02/01/2011. That said, I really hope they don't make her anything as major as she was in DA 1. A cameo would be alright...but seriously, she's turned into the resident Drizzt of Thedas and it's starting to get kind of annoying. It's almost even like she's a "Mary Sue" type character. Saying things like "She's the only one who can't die" makes my blood boil. I hope we get a chance to kill her. I definately would have in DA:O if I was given the chance. I just find it annoying how she isn't even a particularly interesting character and they give her so much importance.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 31 mai 2010 - 09:59 .

[faction699]

asaiasai wrote...

I have no problem bringing Morrigan back if it as optional DLC, but there is nothing in the Morrigan story that is able to carry an epic game the length of DAO.

Who says a character needs to carry the entire game...? Shes a character and a popular one.  The game doesn't need to be based around her for her to be a part of it.

[asaiasai]

faction699 wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

I have no problem bringing Morrigan back if it as optional DLC, but there is nothing in the Morrigan story that is able to carry an epic game the length of DAO.

Who says a character needs to carry the entire game...? Shes a character and a popular one.  The game doesn't need to be based around her for her to be a part of it.

So long as her involvment is optional befitting the small role she plays in the gam i have no problem with that. So long as the player does not have Morrigan forced upon them "two thumbs" up. The trouble is that if some fans had thier way the title Dragon Age could be dispensed with and the game would be called The adventures of Morrigan, the situation is similar to the ME2 forums where the Tali-mancers have all but taken over. If they had thier wat the game would be about Tali and they would be fine with it. As both characters have as big or small roles as the PC chooses for them the perfect place for thier stories would be in the form of DLC. That is my only point. Since the dark ritual is completely optional it is not a stretch to say that Morrigan merits little more than DLC content to further her story, as does any other character in DAO like Leliana, Wynne, Sten, Zeveran who as Morrigan is are completely optional characters that the PC can choose to use or ignore.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 31 mai 2010 - 10:08 .

[balchagi]

Bring back pregnant Morrigan! Lamaze class as a loyalty quest.

[faction699]

asaiasai wrote...

faction699 wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

I have no problem bringing Morrigan back if it as optional DLC, but there is nothing in the Morrigan story that is able to carry an epic game the length of DAO.

Who says a character needs to carry the entire game...? Shes a character and a popular one.  The game doesn't need to be based around her for her to be a part of it.

So long as her involvment is optional befitting the small role she plays in the gam i have no problem with that. So long as the player does not have Morrigan forced upon them "two thumbs" up. The trouble is that if some fans had thier way the title Dragon Age could be dispensed with and the game would be called The adventures of Morrigan, the situation is similar to the ME2 forums where the Tali-mancers have all but taken over. If they had thier wat the game would be about Tali and they would be fine with it. As both characters have as big or small roles as the PC chooses for them the perfect place for thier stories would be in the form of DLC. That is my only point. Since the dark ritual is completely optional it is not a stretch to say that Morrigan merits little more than DLC content to further her story, as does any other character in DAO like Leliana, Wynne, Sten, Zeveran who as Morrigan is are completely optional characters that the PC can choose to use or ignore.

Asai

Yeah I agree with your stance but I don't think many people seriously want an entire game based around Morrigan.  They simply want her to have a part in future games.  I've read the whole thread and dunno where you got that from.  I also think asking for more Morrigan is a little dumb, though; it's pretty much a given that if the current story is expanded upon in DA2 or another expansion that expands upon on the Origins storyline, shes going to be there in some form.

[Giggles_Manically]

lordapolyon wrote...

Idk, i think most everyone used the ritual.
1) She's hot
2) You live
3) get to use her for final battle.
4) Im just evil:devil:

I didnt and got this:



1. Her face to me is FUBAR
2.Sacrifce Loghain or Alister
3. She is useless
4.Yes yes you are

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 31 mai 2010 - 11:44 .

[Arttis]

aaniadyen wrote...

Well, if you'll all recall, from BG 1 there was the "Lord Foreshadow" who spoke to you about traveling up to Neverwinter. Well, similarly in DA:O, in the mage tower, the fourth summoning font summons the npc "Arl Foreshadow" if you steal from him in the brief time he appears, you get a codex entry called "The notes of Arl Foreshadow". If you haven't encountered this in-game, here's a link: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_Entry%3A_The_Notes_of_Arl_Foreshadow As you can see, it implies something is happening in Orlais in the future. If the epilogue in Awakenings did state that Morrigan is in Orlais, maybe we will see her again in the installment our friend Arl Foreshadow was referring to. Possibly even on 02/01/2011. That said, I really hope they don't make her anything as major as she was in DA 1. A cameo would be alright...but seriously, she's turned into the resident Drizzt of Thedas and it's starting to get kind of annoying. It's almost even like she's a "Mary Sue" type character. Saying things like "She's the only one who can't die" makes my blood boil. I hope we get a chance to kill her. I definately would have in DA:O if I was given the chance. I just find it annoying how she isn't even a particularly interesting character and they give her so much importance.

you only get that ending if she doesnt have your kid though.
besides i think when the npc says you will never see me again the writers mean it

[GardenSnake]

asaiasai wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

I have no problem bringing Morrigan back if it as optional DLC, but there is nothing in the Morrigan story that is able to carry an epic game the length of DAO. There is however enough story that those who wish to chase after the swamp witch could spend a couple hours to sate thier Morrigan fix. This way those who want to chase after Morrigan can, those like me who have had MORE THAN ENOUGH Morrigan can pass, yet still enjoy the next game. Morrigan's part in the DAO story was minimal at best especially if you chose not to do the DR as that is the decision i usually make, 2 out of 18 plays are generous and allow Morrigan to be more than she is, more than she is worth, but for the most part i ignore her as the minor character she is, very much like some folks ignore Leliana or Wynne, who i think bring so much more to the game than Morrigan. So yes i do agree bring Morrigan back in a minor way in the form of some simple trite DLC as that is all her story is worth.

Asai

Thank you sharing your opinion with us, but that is all it is: your opinion, which may or may not be the same as that of other people here or even of writers themselves.

Just because you don't consider her to be worth much doesn't mean everyone else does that as well.

Ultimately, the writers will decide if they want to continue her story or not. Whatever they decide in the end ceirtainly won't be influenced by what you or anyone else here thinks.

That reply is a bit on the hostile side don cha think? Having a problem with a contrary opinion? Gonna cry some more about how no one really understand Morrigan quite the way you do, and why oh why can't we all just agree? Why don't you grab your binkie shove your thumb back into your mouth and cry like the little **** you obviously are.

That is a hostile reply.
Asai

Your a ****, no biggie. What? Not formal enough for you? He stated his opinion without cussing you out or anything. Just goes to show how much of a restrained and respectful person he is. But you just coming back with that out of the blue? I'm sorry, but you should go screw yourself.
 

[aaniadyen]

GardenSnake wrote...
Your a ****, no biggie. What? Not formal enough for you? He stated his opinion without cussing you out or anything. Just goes to show how much of a restrained and respectful person he is. But you just coming back with that out of the blue? I'm sorry, but you should go screw yourself.
 

lol, /ignore GardenSnake
Reported, by the way.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 01 juin 2010 - 05:27 .

[ObserverStatus]

I like where this thread is going.

[asaiasai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

lordapolyon wrote...

Idk, i think most everyone used the ritual.
1) She's hot
2) You live
3) get to use her for final battle.
4) Im just evil:devil:

I didnt and got this:



1. Her face to me is FUBAR
2.Sacrifce Loghain or Alister
3. She is useless
4.Yes yes you are

lol Probably the most satisfying moment in the game or at least a close second to slaying the AD. What!! you mean i can not have my demon baby, I HATE YOU! MY LIFE IS OVER! (storms off slamming doors pouting like a petulant child denied an after dinner cookie). Priceless.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 01 juin 2010 - 05:35 .

[aaniadyen]

asaiasai wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

lordapolyon wrote...

Idk, i think most everyone used the ritual.
1) She's hot
2) You live
3) get to use her for final battle.
4) Im just evil:devil:

I didnt and got this:



1. Her face to me is FUBAR
2.Sacrifce Loghain or Alister
3. She is useless
4.Yes yes you are

lol Probably the most satisfying moment in the game or at least a close second to slaying the AD. What!! you mean i can not have my demon baby, I HATE YOU! MY LIFE IS OVER! (storms off slamming doors pouting like a petulant child denied an after dinner cookie). Priceless.

Asai

Could you imagine agreeing to it, having her think her plan worked and then having Alistair/Logain die forcing her to have a totally normal child that she believes will be a god? Man, that'd be priceless.

[asaiasai]

bobobo878 wrote...

I like where this thread is going.

LOL so do I. It seems i have managed to gather some supporters who may not feel the revulsion towards Morrigan to the depth i do but continued exposure to Morrigan is cumulative, they will come around . It is like radiation a little will not kill you but a little every day over time will.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 01 juin 2010 - 05:58 .

[Vicious]

Since the dark ritual is completely optional

Rofl. It's also 'completely optional' in KOTOR for Revan to become a bad guy and destroy the Republic, but it never happened.

That's the Ultimate Sacrifice. It never happened. Yes, it's there to give you a choice and multiple endings, but is ultimately meaningless. It never actually happened.

The Dark Ritual is the only canon possible. Unlike the US, you can build a story off of the Dark Ritual. It changes everything as opposed to maintaining the status quo, and we all know status quo makes for poor drama.

Suck it up and accept it now.

And realize that Bioware always picks a canon for their games and runs with it. The only game they don't is Mass Effect, which is a trilogy based on your choices and thus they cannot pick a 'canon ending' unlike literally EVERY OTHER Bioware game, which has a canon ending.

Modifié par Vicious, 01 juin 2010 - 07:28 .

[aaniadyen]

Vicious wrote...

Since the dark ritual is completely optional

Rofl. It's also 'completely optional' in KOTOR for Revan to become a bad guy and destroy the Republic, but it never happened.

The Dark Ritual is like that. It happened. It is canon. Yes, there is another ending available, but it's not what actually happened.

Suck it up and accept it now.

And realize that Bioware always picks a canon for their games and runs with it. The only game they don't is Mass Effect, which is a trilogy based on your choices and thus they cannot pick a 'canon ending' unlike literally EVERY OTHER Bioware game, which has a canon ending.

Not meaning to sound offended or anything, but... how do you know if the DR is cannon? I haven't seen any proof for or against.

[Vicious]

You don't need proof. Bioware will pick a canon and the only choice that makes sense in relation to future games is the Dark Ritual.



The Dark Ritual is a chance to change the world forever by creating something completely unique that has never existed before in the history of the entire world.



And you seriously think Bioware will pass on the chance to build on that?



Besides, you cannot import 'world states' of a dead Warden. Ask Awakenings. Unless they make a lot of people cry and introduce a new hero, there is zero room for the Ultimate Sacrifice anywhere.

[aaniadyen]

Vicious wrote...

You don't need proof. Bioware will pick a canon and the only choice that makes sense in relation to future games is the Dark Ritual.

The Dark Ritual is a chance to change the world forever by creating something completely unique that has never existed before in the history of the entire world.

And you seriously think Bioware will pass on the chance to build on that?

Besides, you cannot import 'world states' of a dead Warden. Ask Awakenings. Unless they make a lot of people cry and introduce a new hero, there is zero room for the Ultimate Sacrifice anywhere.

On your first point, that does make sense. It does seem very much like Bioware to go that route. As for the ultimate sacrifice though, not doing the ritual isn't an automatic US. You could make Alistair or Logain do it. Besides that, I doubt DA 2 will involve the warden from DA:O at all. It'll probably be a totally new character, so I don't think that is even relevent.

[Massadonious1]

Well, that totally new character could be the God Baby all growns up, which accomplishes the same thing.

[ObserverStatus]

Anyone know if Zevran can be the dad? He'd be happy to.

Modifié par bobobo878, 01 juin 2010 - 07:47 .

[aaniadyen]

bobobo878 wrote...

Anyone know if Zevran can be the dad? He'd be happy to.

He's not a grey warden, so I don't think so.

[aaniadyen]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Well, that totally new character could be the God Baby all growns up, which accomplishes the same thing.

If that was the case I'd seriously consider not buying the game >< lol

[pyrame]

Claudia Black and Corinne Kempa were both so great as Morrigan and Lelianna, they just HAVE to be on DAO2. Really hoping to win the signed game copy in Corinne's competition!

[Master Shiori]

Vicious wrote...

You don't need proof. Bioware will pick a canon and the only choice that makes sense in relation to future games is the Dark Ritual.

The Dark Ritual is a chance to change the world forever by creating something completely unique that has never existed before in the history of the entire world.

And you seriously think Bioware will pass on the chance to build on that?

Besides, you cannot import 'world states' of a dead Warden. Ask Awakenings. Unless they make a lot of people cry and introduce a new hero, there is zero room for the Ultimate Sacrifice anywhere.

This pretty much.

If they ever decide to go with canon (as if they'd have a hard time doing that) then you can bet your money it'll be the dark ritual.
That ending alone provides more options for future stories than all other endings combined. And it doesn't even require you to bring back the Warden from Origins (not that bringing him back and having him deal with the consequences of his actions wouldn't be a rewarding experience).

[Master Shiori]

asaiasai wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

I have no problem bringing Morrigan back if it as optional DLC, but there is nothing in the Morrigan story that is able to carry an epic game the length of DAO. There is however enough story that those who wish to chase after the swamp witch could spend a couple hours to sate thier Morrigan fix. This way those who want to chase after Morrigan can, those like me who have had MORE THAN ENOUGH Morrigan can pass, yet still enjoy the next game. Morrigan's part in the DAO story was minimal at best especially if you chose not to do the DR as that is the decision i usually make, 2 out of 18 plays are generous and allow Morrigan to be more than she is, more than she is worth, but for the most part i ignore her as the minor character she is, very much like some folks ignore Leliana or Wynne, who i think bring so much more to the game than Morrigan. So yes i do agree bring Morrigan back in a minor way in the form of some simple trite DLC as that is all her story is worth.

Asai

Thank you sharing your opinion with us, but that is all it is: your opinion, which may or may not be the same as that of other people here or even of writers themselves.

Just because you don't consider her to be worth much doesn't mean everyone else does that as well.

Ultimately, the writers will decide if they want to continue her story or not. Whatever they decide in the end ceirtainly won't be influenced by what you or anyone else here thinks.

That reply is a bit on the hostile side don cha think? Having a problem with a contrary opinion? Gonna cry some more about how no one really understand Morrigan quite the way you do, and why oh why can't we all just agree? Why don't you grab your binkie shove your thumb back into your mouth and cry like the little **** you obviously are.

That is a hostile reply.
Asai

Grow up.

I stated a pure fact and ceirtainly had a lot more dignity and tact than you while doing so.

The difference between me and you is that I can express my opinion without insulting anyone or forcing them to accept it.
You on the other hand obviously can't live with the idea that other people may disagree with what you say.

By all means, if it makes you feel like a mature adult go ahead and insult anyone who happens to disagree with your "absolute truth".

Just don't flatter yourself thinking you'll hurt my feelings while doing so.

[aaniadyen]

Master Shiori wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

I have no problem bringing Morrigan back if it as optional DLC, but there is nothing in the Morrigan story that is able to carry an epic game the length of DAO. There is however enough story that those who wish to chase after the swamp witch could spend a couple hours to sate thier Morrigan fix. This way those who want to chase after Morrigan can, those like me who have had MORE THAN ENOUGH Morrigan can pass, yet still enjoy the next game. Morrigan's part in the DAO story was minimal at best especially if you chose not to do the DR as that is the decision i usually make, 2 out of 18 plays are generous and allow Morrigan to be more than she is, more than she is worth, but for the most part i ignore her as the minor character she is, very much like some folks ignore Leliana or Wynne, who i think bring so much more to the game than Morrigan. So yes i do agree bring Morrigan back in a minor way in the form of some simple trite DLC as that is all her story is worth.

Asai

Thank you sharing your opinion with us, but that is all it is: your opinion, which may or may not be the same as that of other people here or even of writers themselves.

Just because you don't consider her to be worth much doesn't mean everyone else does that as well.

Ultimately, the writers will decide if they want to continue her story or not. Whatever they decide in the end ceirtainly won't be influenced by what you or anyone else here thinks.

That reply is a bit on the hostile side don cha think? Having a problem with a contrary opinion? Gonna cry some more about how no one really understand Morrigan quite the way you do, and why oh why can't we all just agree? Why don't you grab your binkie shove your thumb back into your mouth and cry like the little **** you obviously are.

That is a hostile reply.
Asai

Grow up.

I stated a pure fact and ceirtainly had a lot more dignity and tact than you while doing so.

The difference between me and you is that I can express my opinion without insulting anyone or forcing them to accept it.
You on the other hand obviously can't live with the idea that other people may disagree with what you say.

By all means, if it makes you feel like a mature adult go ahead and insult anyone who happens to disagree with your "absolute truth".

Just don't flatter yourself thinking you'll hurt my feelings while doing so.

That reply is a bit on the hostile side don cha think?